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Help me understand if I am being abused?!

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Workinghardeveryday · 13/04/2021 21:25

Hi, been with dp for 13 years, 3 kids.
I am so confused if I am being emotionally abused or over thinking. Maybe I think I am over thinking because I am abused? I don’t know!! My mind is all over and I really would appreciate an outside perspective.
So when we met it was amazing, both of us totally in love and couldn’t be without each other seriously. Constant txts, calls or seeing each other, would fall asleep in the early hours chatting because we couldn’t put the phone down.
These days and for a good 2 years he is very I don’t know mean! If I ever bring anything up he doesn’t want to discuss. He looses his temper, shouts at me, he would say putting his point across, but he shouts, insults me over and over. I rarely bite and shout back but I do sometimes, but that just makes it worse obviously.
Everything is my fault, I point out and stick up for myself and he says his behaviour is my fault, I pushed him to it.
I think I am I reasonable person and open minded, I always try to see his point of view, it’s like three is a block and he is mentally unable to see mine.
For instance, last night I found out he received a payout from hmrc in January, didn’t tell me, spent it on bits and bobs. Also found out he put £900 into erp which I don’t really understand, but lied to my face it was £100 the day before and again last night then decided to tell me. I didn’t say a word. He then went mad, moody, then shouting, name calling etc.

Sorry I can’t explain myself or everything that goes on, but what do you think?
Also he doesn’t do the shouting all the time, he is usually very loving, it’s around once a month. He will blow up, punch walls, insults, his behaviour is my fault.
Doesn’t come to bed with me ever.
I spend my life cleaning, wfh, cooking, washing with no recognition. Doesn’t help with anything at all apart from cleaning up after tea, it’s my job because he works more hours than me. That pisses me off but maybe he is right?
My mind is all over! I don’t know what to do.

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mewkins · 14/04/2021 09:54

Hi OP. I was once in a similar position, although in a much shorter relationship which made it easier to get out. I tied myself in knots thinking if only I could make him see what he was doing was abusive then I could make it all better. It is impossible to do this. No one really wants to admit such a fault and he certainly didn't have the capability to change his behaviour beyond any more than the short term.

I didn't doubt that he loved me very much (or his version of love) but that wasn't enough to eradicate the effect that his behaviour was having on me.

What I mean is that he may or may not be intending to make you feel this way but the fact that it DOES make you feel this way and lead half a life is the thing to focus on. Your life will be many many times easier if you are not married to him. He doesn't get to choose your future. He will try to convince you to stay, threaten, etc but you can do this. You're in control of it, not him. I look back two years on and can't believe I even contemplated putting up with it.

Good luck and take your time to carve out your life. You can up your work hours, get universal credit etc. In time it will settle down and you will live the life you deserve x

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Workinghardeveryday · 14/04/2021 10:31

@AttilaTheMeerkat
I do agree with what you have said, I can see now it’s not healthy at all.
I do everything for him with no thanks, no effort for me at all. I hadn’t ever thought about what I am getting out of the relationship other than being together and being a family.
My parents argued all the time when I was growing up, I hated it. Thing is we don’t argue in front of the kids, but yes there have been a couple of occasions when they have seen his temper.
I don’t know why he gets so annoyed, it’s like he can’t be bothered with ‘talking all night’ to sort any issues out, if things aren’t great between us he will happily carry on as normal until it’s forgotten about. If I try to talk he sees red straight away.
I recorded the other night, I’ve been doing it for a while, when he starts I record it. I wanted to work out if it’s me and I am pushing him like he says. It’s not me. I listened to it 3 times yesterday, each time it seemed worse. The only time he was normal was at the end when I broke and shouted back then has a panic attack. I went into another room to try and calm down, he left me alone until it was clear my breathing was slowing down. Then said he didn’t mean to upset me and he was trying not to cry.
Nothing else was said all night. Yesterday he was just normal

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mewkins · 14/04/2021 10:54

If it helps, think about what you find acceptable in a relationship and go from there. Some people will tolerate everything you have said. For me, the random name calling (not even in an argument, it would sometimes come out of nowhere) was intolerable. I think a lot of people in a relationship you describe seek permission to upturn your life and get out. That is normal. But you don't need permission. You are in control of your life and no one else's opinions actually matter. Too many people have this 'if he hits me I will leave' rule. But that discounts the many many other hideous forms of abuse out there which make life hell. If you are crying yourself to sleep, if the kids are witnessing unacceptable behaviour, if you feel like you can't have a reasonable discussion with your partner, these are plenty 'good enough' reasons to get out.

Workinghardeveryday · 14/04/2021 11:15

You’re right.
I just need time to get myself together enough to handle it all when I tell him it’s over. I did ask him to leave the other night and he refused. I can’t leave this house for so many reasons.
I will have to get him to understand he needs to go

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RandomMess · 14/04/2021 11:16

So you are basically his skivvy that also goes out to work an pays your own way and for the DC?

He pushes your boundaries to see how far he can go regularly?

No kindness, love or support from him?

How is that not a lonely place to be?

Wanderlusto · 14/04/2021 11:17

If you take a step back out of yourself and look at the situation objectively- it is actually not confusing at all. But you feel confused because you are trying to hold two ideas in your head at the same time that contradict. One, that he cares about you. And two, that he is abusive.

Why do you think he cares? Because you are a normal caring individual who is capable of love. And because you therefore naturally assume that the only reason a partner would be with you is because of love.

But he is not like you. He is not normal.

The truth is and I'm sorry but, he stays with you because you are his victim.

And I'll let you in on the big secret. The one that when you finally believe...everything will fall into place: He knows what he is doing. He just doesnt CARE that it hurts you.

Infact, sometimes he intends it to.

And if you confront him he tells you you are oversensistive in order to get you to doubt yourself. He doesnt actually even think it,be just needs you to think it. So that you look inwards for the problem instead of at him. They are just part of the abuse. It's called 'gaslighting'. He knows what he is doing, but he doesnt want you to know that he knows.

It's also the reason why when you try to resolve anything, he blows up. Abusers dont want to resolve things. If you are stressed and hurting and unsure of where you stand - then that is exactly where they want you.

If no one has said it yet op, never discuss this with him. Never call an abuser abusive. He will further use it to punish you as he will realise you are beginning to see through his mask. He may even call you the abuser.

But keep reading, keep learning. There are lots of good YouTube vloggers on narcissists (npd). Melanie tonia Evans is really good. But be sure not to let him see you watching.

You're starting to break through the fog now. Itll take time but you will get there.

Just remember, dont ever believe him when he makes you feel that your feelings aren't valid. Your feelings are valid, they matter and you matter. Just dont look to him for validation or love.

mewkins · 14/04/2021 11:43

That is tough. Do you have anyone (friends etc) who can help you get him out when you need to? I had to do this and it was tough but I definitely needed back up.

Workinghardeveryday · 14/04/2021 12:28

Thank you, it does explain it very well the having two conflicting thoughts in my head, that’s exactly how I feel. I one second I think to myself how stupid I have been for not seeing it all these years, the immediately I think but he’s so lovely, rubs my feet on a night (remembered that this morning when I was trying to think of loving things he does for me).
Could it not be that he is just bored of making an effort and is depressed with his own life so makes him snap and if we ‘talk’? He’s fed up with his job, had loads of jobs, gets bored after a couple of years and moves on.
I don’t know what to think. I will look at YouTube videos when I can

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Whatflavourjellybabyisnice · 14/04/2021 12:38

@Workinghardeveryday

My mind is totally confused. This is a very loving man, showers me with love every day - although never gives compliments and we rarely have sex, don’t know if that matters. When I ever bring anything up, in a nice way believe me, he gets very angry straight away. It’s gone on for a must be a couple of years now. Like I said shouts, calls me names and sometimes punches walls and damages them - that’s my fault, I caused it. It’s not all the time though, only like once a month, 6 weeks or even couple of months. Is that still abuse given he is overly loving otherwise? He will do anything for me, but everything wrong in his life is my fault. Makes my mind up for me about certain situations before I even know what they are. Just so confused!!!
It's natural to be confused. I grew up abused and I don't feel abused because it was grooming and normalised.
Wanderlusto · 14/04/2021 12:39

I don't know about you but being 'bored of making an effort' would never make me punch walls, scream at my partner or call them horrible words infront of my children. Or tell them they were the one with the problem if they pulled me up on that shit.

Also, tbf, the reason for the way he is acting doesn't really matter. Because there is no excuse for it whatsoever. It is toxic either way.

And 'lovely things' do not make up for vile, cruel, hurtful and scary things that leave you having panic attacks (To which he then even has the cheek to bring it back to being all about him by saying HE is nearly crying! So you're supposed to think about his feelings even though you are the one that's being hurt. Arsehole that he is).

MidLifeResurgence74 · 14/04/2021 12:42

I've just finished reading a book that is horrifying. Take a look at this link. This is about control and control can and will lead to abuse (and in many cases worse). www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49481998

Leave as soon as you can.

I am currently helping the police. A man who abused me 13 years ago has gone on to nearly kill someone. Me and the partner after me are helping with statements. This man (and your husband) are extremely dangerous.

MidLifeResurgence74 · 14/04/2021 12:45

And a more up to date link www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/21/jane-monckton-smith-in-control-domestic-abuse-murder-public-protection

The book is called In control: dangerous relationships and how they end in murder

AttilaTheMeerkat · 14/04/2021 12:55

Your parents arguing all the time at home likely played a huge role too in you being in a relationship since the age of 15. You did not really have much of a childhood and indeed you do not know what a mutually healthy relationship is. The one you are in now is abusive and not emotionally healthy. Your boundaries, already skewed here by your parents poor example, are being further eroded by this man now. He knew you were emotionally vulnerable and targeted you accordingly to further abuse.

You write of this man as being your DP, from this I presume you are not married to this man. And like practically all abusive men too, he has refused to leave. He won't let you go that easily and he has refused to leave because he likes having you around to be his skivvy and emotional punchbag. Men like this HATE women and you will need to employ legal means to get him out. You may well need police involvement here to get him to leave and I would certainly look at obtaining both non molestation and occupation orders against him.

How else can you be helped here into leaving your abuser?. Would you consider contacting Womens Aid here?. You can go into Boots and ask for Ani. The staff will direct you to a consultation room where there are domestic violence services available.

What he is showing you now is the nice/nasty cycle of abuse and that is a continuous one. He will not change; this is who he is and what he does to you works for him. Its about power and control and he wants absolute here. Sound travels and your children likely hear him shouting at you from a fair distance away, they certainly do not have to be in the same room.

It is your responsibility to teach your children better lessons about relationships than the ones you were imparted (and he certainly will not teach them good lessons) otherwise they could well end up with abusive people too to or themselves being abusers. Think long and hard about the relationship lessons you are both imparting to them, this is NO legacy to be leaving these children.

EileenGC · 14/04/2021 13:22

OP, I don’t like talking about my childhood but this is so frighteningly similar to what I lived, that I can’t not tell you about it.

My father was also ‘a good dad’, a loving husband, and we were the perfect happy family from the outside. He also had a temper, usually once a month. He would punch walls, random items of furniture, and shout at the top of his lungs, I think even the next town over could hear him.

Until one day, he decided the walls and furniture weren’t enough, and he went after my mum. This was 16 years into the relationship. Some men show their true colours once they’ve trapped you. My mum ended up on the floor and with bruises. I was 8. It was not fun to watch.

The physical abuse stopped as one of my siblings threw herself at him trying to defend my mum and he knew deep down she would’ve beaten him to death if he’d continued. See, these men aren’t as strong as they appear. They’re actually big cowards who use physical violence to exercise some kind of control they crave.

The physical abuse stopped, but the emotional abuse went on and on and on. My mum was always at fault. Nothing was ever good enough for him. She was called all kinds of names. We were ‘her retarded children’. I know it hurts to hear these words as an adult, but you have no idea how traumatic it is, going through your teenage years in fear your dad will snap at your mum again, and he’ll tell you once again that you’re good for nothing and are going to become a pariah who can’t even feed themselves in adulthood. Cue various threats to manipulate you even further.

His once a month temper became a three times a day temper over the years. We lived in constant fear.

Do you have supportive family or friends who could help you get out? My mum didn’t. What she did have, was an amazing willpower which meant she ALWAYS answered back (very respectfully) when he was undermining her. Mind you, this is extremely dangerous to do with someone who can be physically abusive. But she didn’t want to teach us that being a passive spectator to any kind of abuse is an option. That was our saving grace. Having our mum fighting for us constantly. It was not the correct way to fight, but she did it.

Please fight his abuse by leaving. Do you have someone who can help you achieve this? He will not leave. He will keep saying ‘you’ll be a failure if you try living without me and your children will blame you for destroying the family, and you’ll never be able to support them and the courts will give them to me. None* of that is true.

My mum stayed. The result is multiple emotionally-unbalanced adult children who have had to relearn what normal is. One of my siblings has grown up thinking insulting people is normal, so that’s the treatment all his friends and teachers get from him. He knows it’s wrong, he cried the loudest when my mum was being put down, begging my dad to stop, but his behaviour has rubbed off. Another sibling is attracted to abusive relationships herself. I suffer greatly from anxiety. None of us are well. We’ve achieved amazing things in life so far, but also carry baggage from how horrible our childhood was (if you ask my dad, he thinks our childhoods were loving and amazing and we were so happy Confused).

Your children deserve better. This is not your fault. You haven’t pushed him to anything. He will NOT stop. His behaviour might evolve and change over the years but he will never respect you fully. There will always be a way of undermining you and he will use it at the first opportunity. Your children and you deserve better. Please do it for them.

Workinghardeveryday · 14/04/2021 13:59

@EileenGC
I am so very sorry that happened to you. Thank you for sharing that, must have brought feelings back you are trying to get past, so thank you for trying to help me understand.

It has struck a chord, I am feeling so different about my feelings towards him now, all these posters helping me work out my feelings and also I told my best friend in the world yesterday and she is really helping me see none of our relationship is enjoyable for me.
I just need to iron out the doubts and I think time will do that, maybe it will take one more time but only that time I will analyse what is going on more and it will be the final straw.
Mumsnet and my friend have really helped me see through the fog as pp said.

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mewkins · 14/04/2021 14:25

Lots of us have very similar experiences. Abuse isn't what you see on the TV and in films. It is often not trapping someone, using them as a punchbag. At least not at the start. It is a series of small things which make you question whether you're imagining it. It is presents, constant texts, getting sulky if you spend time away from them. There are many ways it manifests itself. It doesn't even matter if you label it. All that matters is whether you want to stay in that relationship knowing that he won't change. So you either live with it or move on. You can't fix this. I spent a long time googling the possible causes of his behaviour, hoping I could fix it. But no one can. Take your time to work out whether you want your life to be like this.

Workinghardeveryday · 14/04/2021 15:27

Lots of people have said not to tell him I think he is an abuser. Could I not explain the reason why I think he is and give him an opportunity to change?
He never used to be like this, it’s only the last few years, although at the beginning he was very jealous and thought I was going to run off with someone else even though we were madly in love. Then slowly I lots a lot of friends by not taking their calls because he wanted to cuddle instead and missed me when I was talking to them

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Wanderlusto · 14/04/2021 15:37

@Workinghardeveryday

Lots of people have said not to tell him I think he is an abuser. Could I not explain the reason why I think he is and give him an opportunity to change? He never used to be like this, it’s only the last few years, although at the beginning he was very jealous and thought I was going to run off with someone else even though we were madly in love. Then slowly I lots a lot of friends by not taking their calls because he wanted to cuddle instead and missed me when I was talking to them
Would you explain to a lion that is chewing on your leg that it is chewing on your leg? Even if it understood you,it wouldn't care. It is its nature! It cannot change.

You should NEVER have to explain to someone that obviously inexcusable behaviour, is inexcusable. He knows! He does it it deliberately. Its who he is.

You cannot explain respect or empathy into someone. They have it for you or they don't. He doesn't.

It sounds like you are putting the picture together, both his jealousy in the beginning and his desire for you to stay home instead of seeing friends was to isolate you from other people. He did it in such a sneaky way that you isolated yourself in order to 'reassure' him. He has been conning you this whole time. He is not insecure. He is controlling. It is not love he shows you. It is ownership.

Workinghardeveryday · 14/04/2021 15:55

I just mean maybe he isn’t aware he is doing it, his dad was very controlling of his mum but much worse, maybe if it was pointed out he would realise

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EileenGC · 14/04/2021 16:13

You can definitely tell him he’s abusive. But you shouldn’t have to explain anything about it. It’s self-explanatory.

I’m not sure how old your children are but if your 3 year old was kicking the cat or your 8 year old was hitting or bullying someone as school, what would he say? If he’d be able to realise those things are wrong, of course he understands what he’s doing to you is wrong.

Point out that you’re not stupid and can recognise how bad his behaviour is. This is where you stand up to him and say ‘I will not allow anyone speaking to me like that’. The minute he does it again (he will) - there’s your answer. He knows he’s doing it. He knows it’s wrong. He chooses to do it again.

In whose world is it ok to insult someone? To shout at someone simply because you don’t agree with them? Please don’t doubt yourself - you know how wrong these things are. And your children shouldn’t grow up thinking name calling and shouting at your family is okay. At anyone, really.

Wanderlusto · 14/04/2021 16:14

He knows what he is doing. You need to process that he does know. And that there is no excuse for it.

Being an abuser because your dad was abusive does not mean you get a free pass. Many abusers had controlling parents. As did many people who didn't go on to abuse (because they arent fucking arseholes).

But if you think his dad made him this way then surely you can see you have even more of an obligation to block the cycle from continuing for your own kids.

Also, you are not a therapist so why on earth would you hope to rehabilitate someone with a cluster b personality disorder? Most people will tell you it cannot be done, even with years of professional therapy.

Even if he were able to be magically fixed, wouldn't you spend the rest of your days waiting, just waiting for the day he might change back again? Living life walking on egg shells. It's no life to live.

harknesswitch · 14/04/2021 16:33

His dad is older and has been in his relationship a lot longer than your dp. He will in time, turn into his dad. Do you want to be in that position?

Workinghardeveryday · 14/04/2021 16:51

You’re all so right, I can see it now. It’s so difficult when you’re in it. I am going to look into what financial help I would get because apart from that and cleaning up after tea that’s what difference it would make because like pp said, I am already lonely! Suppose I will have to work out how to use the tv!

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