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Does love come back/what do I do

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helplesshopeless · 06/04/2021 10:03

Nc for this.

Advice needed please, I've created a huge mess and can't see a way out/what is for the best. This may be long.

I am married with a 3yo. DH has always had a nasty temper, I've suggested anger management counselling numerous times but to no avail. The last few years since having my child have been really difficult. He's generally spoken to me with contempt and disdain a lot of the time, with occasional temper flashes, arguments are always toxic, things could get very nasty (never physical). On a day to day basis we would be civil enough to eachother, but nasty looks and snappiness from him were definitely daily as well, with bigger flare ups fairly regularly. We have had happy family times too and we both dote on our child.

All of this treatment from my DH culminated in my withdrawing from him and ultimately having an affair the last few months, with someone who made me feel loved and cared for. It was mainly an emotional affair but there was a small amount of physical contact (we did not have sex). This is someone that I work with, so although we're wfh at the moment, he is in team zoom meetings etc.

My DH found everything out last week. He is angry but also devastated. I have never seen him so upset and it has shocked me that he cares that much about me. He has completely woken up to how he's been treating me and is committed to having anger management therapy and working on things with me. I obviously am ashamed of what I have done and there is no excuse for my behaviour, but he does recognise that his treatment of me took me to a place where I was open to someone else. I still can't believe I had an affair because it is so against my morals and I fully deserve to be judged for it.

We are working on things and will get relationship counselling. There's a lot of self esteem issues that my husband struggles with, especially since we had our child as he's felt like he's been stuck on the outside looking in, and he thinks this is why he's been treating me how he has. I do understand this and it makes sense, but it doesn't change how he's treated me in the past and how damaging I have found it.

My husband wants me to leave my work so there's no interaction with the other man. I totally understand his point but am reluctant to do this as I'd then feel trapped.

I want to get back to a happy place with my husband. I don't want to feel trapped with him. I don't know if I can find my way back to loving him, whether all of this is coming too late after years of awful treatment. I accept I have behaved in a disgusting way and deserve all of this fall out, and am so worried about the impact on our child and how I'd manage if we separate. I am also concerned about the impact on my husband if things don't work as he has been explaining how it will crush him and he'd never be able to trust anyone again if we don't manage to work through this.

I just don't know if my heart is in this anymore, I want to be able to be happy with him and love him and our family deserves for me to work on this and fully commit to getting back on track, but I have no idea if I'll ever get back to where I need to be.

I am ashamed to admit I still have feelings for the other guy. I could obviously never be with him anyway so that is irrelevant, but it's clouding my judgement. I need to hear from people who have learnt to love their husbands again. Is that a thing? Will we ever get there?

I still can't believe any of this is happening.

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billy1966 · 18/05/2021 12:40

OP,
Great advice above but it sounds like you will limp along in your dead marriage until you have taken enough punishment.

Your husband killed your marriage with his appalling behaviour towards you.

That's not love, whatever he feels towards you, it's not love.

You marriage is limping and will only ever limp.

He doesn't love you really and your love has died.

At this point the issue is bravery.

Bravery to move on.

Do not give up your job under ANY circumstances.

Keep this at all cost.
(I hope to goodness I haven't missed that you have given it up at his insistence)

Flowers
TheThermalStair · 18/05/2021 12:40

@Alcemeg

My two closest friends (who are amazing), know everything and are very supportive. I don't think they grasp the extent of his behaviour either though as I didn't share every detail and always came across fine and happy.

I think, sorry, you should tell them more. x

I agree Alcemeg. I bet the things they already know are enough to be sure he's a bully and they have champagne on ice for the day OP turns up at their door with her suitcase and child.
QuentinBunbury · 18/05/2021 12:45

Have you told anyone he calls you a cunt in arguments? That was enough for loads of my friends to be LTB (although for me it wasn't as bad as other stuff).

Honestly though,I thought my friends and family would be critical cos they thought exH was great. Not at all. The overwhelming message was "I could see he was controlling but you loved him so I didn't want to interfere".

Alcemeg · 18/05/2021 12:51

Honestly though,I thought my friends and family would be critical cos they thought exH was great. Not at all. The overwhelming message was "I could see he was controlling but you loved him so I didn't want to interfere".
Same here! In fact, it was my dad (of all people; himself rather like DH#1) who helped me over one of my "capitulation" phases by confessing how uncomfortable it made him to see DH talk to me with "glib logic."

they have champagne on ice for the day OP turns up at their door with her suitcase and child.
100% guaranteed!

helplesshopeless · 18/05/2021 12:57

I really struggle with the idea of tearing that potential future away from him" - he tore it away from himself. You promised to love and cherish him and he promised to love and cherish you. Only one of you has kept up that bargain.

Yes, I agree with this. I agree with most of what you all say intellectually, I am just tying myself up on knots emotionally. He would of course say that I wasn't the only unhappy one in our relationship, I had stopped cherishing him when our daughter came along as I put her first.

Even now, with a gun to his head, and with him making a superhuman effort to be a completely different person, he doesn't fully grasp what went wrong. And do you really want to spent the rest of your life with someone who has to make "huge efforts" just to treat you kindly?

I think that is where I keep getting to in my mind. He can act kind and nice, and I'm sure he does love me, but I don't think at his core he is naturally a compassionate empathic person. And I knew that when I married him.

What do you think about this difference? What does it tell you about how your husband views you, of what he believes love really is?

I'm not sure who is being extreme/ out of the ordinary here, the OM in being so thoroughly selfless in his love for me, or my husband in wanting to keep and love me for himself. Does everyone who loves their partner truly wish for their partner's happiness above their own?

I bet the things they already know are enough to be sure he's a bully and they have champagne on ice for the day OP turns up at their door with her suitcase and child.

This made me cry because there's no way I'd be able to take my daughter with me Sad

I'm thinking of telling my sister. She will be horrified at my affair but has seen enough of his day to day 'slights' when visiting and staying with us to have had an insight into this. Maybe she will be less shocked than I imagine!

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TheThermalStair · 18/05/2021 13:04

"He would of course say that I wasn't the only unhappy one in our relationship, I had stopped cherishing him when our daughter came along as I put her first."

Has he actually said this in front of anyone else? Family members or friends as well as therapists? I can't imagine the look on my face if a friend's husband even thought this let alone had the temerity to voice it.

He's essentially saying he's needier than a tiny newborn baby. Which is clearly the truth at some level Grin but seems odd to admit it.

Why on earth wouldn't you take your daughter with you? She's yours as much as his.

helplesshopeless · 18/05/2021 13:17

Has he actually said this in front of anyone else? Family members or friends as well as therapists? I can't imagine the look on my face if a friend's husband even thought this let alone had the temerity to voice it.

Well, I was paraphrasing 😁 but he does feel like he was left on the sidelines and I suddenly became all about my baby, to an unhealthy extent in his eyes. From my perspective she was a terrible sleeper for years, breastfed frequently throughout the night, and all-consuming generally as all babies are, and I was just in survival mode!

Why on earth wouldn't you take your daughter with you? She's yours as much as his.

I just can't see him allowing me to take her from our family home if I left. In the same way that, if he left, I would say that she stays at home with me.

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Alcemeg · 18/05/2021 13:24

Please, please tell your sister, OP. And tell her everything. I know you can imagine him sneering over your shoulder, and you'll feel horrible for "disloyalty," but you have the right to talk to her about this.

I'm not sure who is being extreme/ out of the ordinary here, the OM in being so thoroughly selfless in his love for me, or my husband in wanting to keep and love me for himself. Does everyone who loves their partner truly wish for their partner's happiness above their own?

Erm, yes. I mean, that's what you want for your husband, isn't it? Even though he's been wearing you down for years. And you don't even love him! Imagine how easy it is to want the best for someone you actually love with all your heart!

True love is selfless. If you really love someone, you want them to have whatever makes them happy, even if that's not you. It's a no-brainer.

DH#2 and I would both set aside our own interests, without hesitation, if we felt they were in any way obstructing the other's chance of a better life. 💗 We've both demonstrated this to each other many times over the years.

Mix56 · 18/05/2021 13:25

Either way OP has to be Brave, Brave to leave of course but even more-so, Brave to stay, because its on a wing & a prayer that he will be able to control his anger/snappy/volatile/swearing & name calling.

Also ostracizing you from family after your baby arrived when you are a novice mother & in need of support is classic emotional abuse.
Then he claims he felt excluded, what he means is, he was no longer the centre of the universe. because, er, there was a tiny dependant baby to care for. What was stopping him getting equally involved, & making it a joint project?

"When he's said he wants me to be happy, he also says he wants me to be happy with him and he wants to be the one that makes me happy. In contrast,"
This sounds horribly threatening, It's more of a threat than a proof of love.
He has already told you he is going to be your worst enemy if you don't bend to his wishes

Mix56 · 18/05/2021 13:35

Oh, & weighing up the list... the good & the abuse...
There shouldn't be any abuse in a normal relationship

KatySun · 18/05/2021 14:12

How much support do you feel you, as a new mother, got from your husband? New babies are all-consuming, they need 24 hour care, no, and many of them are terrible sleepers (both mine were, also breastfed).

Am sorry am working so only responding to that part. You had a new baby and he has made it all about him, and your alleged failings??

Alcemeg · 18/05/2021 14:43

I must admit OP that I have tried to be as kind as possible about your DH, because I know how loyal you are to him. But you are describing, quite simply, an abusive relationship. The whole universe would rejoice if you were to gather the courage to end it. Especially your daughter. Sorry.

helplesshopeless · 18/05/2021 14:53

I feel like I've done him a disservice (of course!) re the baby point! He did try his best as someone who was previously clueless about babies and was very supportive for the first 6 months or so. I think when he began to expect our daughter to start sleeping better (and she didn't, for another 2.5 years Grin) thats when his frustrations started to brew a bit and he'd occasionally lose his temper over it. But yes, in an ideal world he'd have continued to support me in any way he could, even if he couldn't practically help with the nights due to the breastfeeding etc.

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helplesshopeless · 18/05/2021 14:54

And yes, I do hear and roll my eyes at myself 🙈

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ravenmum · 18/05/2021 15:06

in an ideal world he'd have continued to support me in any way he could
Do you mean in a normal world, where both parents act as parents?

Alcemeg · 18/05/2021 15:25

@helplesshopeless

And yes, I do hear and roll my eyes at myself 🙈
No one's rolling eyes at you (except your DH 😁). Absolute respect for you and the horrendous situation you're in. Please talk to your sister!
TheThermalStair · 18/05/2021 15:53

Most people are kind to their wives and treat their kids as a joint project, not barrack their wives for continuing to provide essential care to the kid rather than coddle a fully grown man.

It actually makes me feel ill.

SageMist · 18/05/2021 17:13

I think that some people have an affair as a subconscious way of ending a very bad marriage. I'm beginning to think this is what you did. Unfortunately you have put yourself into a position where you believe you are the guilty party and you can't see past this.
Going forwards do you honestly believe that you will be able to accept his behaviour change is permanent and will he be able to accept that you are truly sorry for that affair and that you still love your husband?
I'm pretty sure that these two mountains that you have to climb separately are not going to end in a happy marriage to each other.

Cavagirl · 18/05/2021 17:17

Another voice saying please share with your sister, and share more with your friends.
It's all well having this thread as a sounding board but the support of people in real life as well will do you the world of good.

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loveyourself2020 · 18/05/2021 17:53

@Alcemeg

Please, please tell your sister, OP. And tell her everything. I know you can imagine him sneering over your shoulder, and you'll feel horrible for "disloyalty," but you have the right to talk to her about this.

I'm not sure who is being extreme/ out of the ordinary here, the OM in being so thoroughly selfless in his love for me, or my husband in wanting to keep and love me for himself. Does everyone who loves their partner truly wish for their partner's happiness above their own?

Erm, yes. I mean, that's what you want for your husband, isn't it? Even though he's been wearing you down for years. And you don't even love him! Imagine how easy it is to want the best for someone you actually love with all your heart!

True love is selfless. If you really love someone, you want them to have whatever makes them happy, even if that's not you. It's a no-brainer.

DH#2 and I would both set aside our own interests, without hesitation, if we felt they were in any way obstructing the other's chance of a better life. 💗 We've both demonstrated this to each other many times over the years.

@Alcemeg It is really sad how messed up some relationships are. What you said here made me cry, for OP and for myself. It was very early into our marriage when I read somewhere something like, “how much you are willing to sacrifice for your love can tell how much you love them”, or something like that. So, I read it to my husband and he laughed into my face. I will never forget the way he made me feel, and this was in the begging of our relationship when we were “madly in love”, or I was anyway. He obviously did not agree with this and though it was insane. But I would have done anything for him and I still do actually. This was the first but not the last time that I realized my husband cannot ever put myself before him or even the kids. When kids were young he was an amazing father, but when they started growing up, he got lost somehow. He seemed to especially be bothered by our son (he is the eldest) and anything I would do for him. He would tell me that I love him more than the girls and stuff. Once I told him, “you sound like you are jealous of your child”, and he just looked at me and said, ”of course I am jealous, you obviously love him more then me”. I could not believe he actually admitted this.
Alcemeg · 18/05/2021 18:47

Ah, it is a terrible shame we tend to have such low expectations. It took me over half a century to find out what a truly loving relationship is like. And then it took a few years of me pinching myself to believe it was possible!

Everyone deserves to feel completely safe, happy and relaxed in their own home.

@helplesshopeless, this post is pinned to the top of the Relationships threads, and for good reason. It's worth re-reading:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/698029-Right-listen-up-everybody

Cavagirl · 18/05/2021 19:53

What do you think about this difference? What does it tell you about how your husband views you, of what he believes love really is?

I'm not sure who is being extreme/ out of the ordinary here, the OM in being so thoroughly selfless in his love for me, or my husband in wanting to keep and love me for himself. Does everyone who loves their partner truly wish for their partner's happiness above their own?

I asked this because I wanted to highlight the real differences in what your H and OM mean by "love".

The way OM loves you, it seems from all you've said, is in a healthy, selfless, "cherishing" way. He elevates you and puts you first. He will even give you up, back to your H, if that's what you want, despite what pain that presumably is causing him. This is what love is.

Your H doesn't love you in this way. His love - if you call it that - is jealous and based on control and possession. For example:
He believes you are wrong for putting your baby daughter first, and you prioritise her above him which he thinks means you have stopped cherishing him
He believes you aren't currently together because you haven't told him you're "all in" (he either owns you or he doesn't)
He requires your absolute submission to his rules to continue, gives you deadlines and emotionally manipulates you to force you into submission

my husband in wanting to keep and love me for himself
Yes indeed except that's not love, it's possession.

Sorry OP, I hope you can eventually see it and extract yourself Flowers

Mix56 · 18/05/2021 21:20

It seems ultimately you are prepared to throw yourself on the sacrificial sword in order to appease him, not feel guilt & doubt.
Who is going to put you first? Certainly not your H, as you have recently said yourself.

katy1213 · 18/05/2021 21:29

He can stay crushed - under a stone which is where he deserves to be!
Don't leave your job, leave your husband. And don't feel guilty about having an affair - you had every excuse!
See how it works out with the other guy and if it doesn't, you're better off on your own.
Your nasty husband will never let you hear the end of it. he's only 'devastated' because he never expected the worm to turn!

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