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If I kick him out he will kill himself

146 replies

BillywigStings · 18/03/2021 09:05

Over the years I have been coming to the realisation that my husbands mental health means we won’t ever be a normal family and at the moment I’m struggling with what to do with that info.

Essentially everything relies on me. I cook, clean and work full time and look after the kids. I’m mentally exhausted and poor so I have purposefully ended my social life by letting friends drift away. Occasionally my husband gets a job, but it never lasts as his depressions sets in, and he ends up being fired for being late or not turning up (he forgets to go in).

Obviously as we have been together 13 years and have three kids (well I’m still pregnant with the third) together we have had good times and he still is often a wonderful person. However his depression is like a horrible disease which has taken over him and I’m just so damn tired of being a single parent with no one realising how much I have to do alone. I don’t want other peoples sympathy, I just feel so frustrated. It’s just me, and I’m working or looking after the kids, or cleaning ALL the damn time plus trying to be a therapist for my husband who seems to be on the edge of ending it all most times I talk to him about it. I just kind of silently enable him by not talking about it (at his request). In the past I confronted him and tried to force therapy etc and he reacted badly, having breakdowns and going through worse patches.

I’ve tried convincing him and even threatening him with splitting up if he won’t see someone about his problems but he insists he is on the edge of sorting himself out...he pretty much resists the idea of therapy and the last time I just said ‘well I can’t take this anymore we might as well split up’ he actually left. He turned around later and came back and said he would have killed himself. I know he really wanted to leave though. I also know he would have killed him self within 24 hours, he didn’t need to tell me that.

This isn’t bravado, or selfishness, he is just mentally sick. He said it matter of factly and I thank god he turned round because I know he wouldn’t have done it.

On good days he is wonderful with the kids, on bad days he is absent. He just leaves and walks until he is alone and just sits out in a field, a park, anywhere. Other times he goes to spend time with his friends and stays so late he falls asleep at their house and often doesn’t crawl home till 1-2am or later. He refuses to get an early night and falls asleep alone on the sofa with the dog.

If he’s feeling argumentative he will say the lack of kisses and cuddles and sex from me is one of the main reasons behind his depression and essentially tries to get me to provide all this (and I do try but I just don’t feel it, it feels fake) but after years of him being like this I just can’t seem to make myself show physical affection. I feel like he’s more like an extra child who I keep around to lift heavy things for me or do DIY work.

What I’m trying to say is he is only capable of drifting through life. He can’t take challenges or pressure. If I wasn’t providing a home base for his existence he would have killed him self long before.

What do I do? I know I could cope without him, probably would thrive as I wouldn’t constantly be hoping for help and support I don’t get, but I love him and want to help him. At the very least I can’t kick him out as he has nowhere to go. I would have to set him up with a flat and an income (benefits I guess) in secret (because if he knew about it he would just leave right away to save me the hassle and again after sleeping rough a few nights at most, he would end it.

I just don’t know what to do.

OP posts:
BananasAboutBananas · 18/03/2021 09:12

This is no life for you, but it's no life for him either. If he's resistant to therapy can you go with him to the GP to discuss medication - it's all phone consults now which might be easier for him than seeing someone face to face?

I really feel for you.

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 18/03/2021 09:13

I'm sorry but you don't hold his life in your hands, he is responsible for his own life, for getting help, for taking medication, for getting better. He doesn't even try because you are doing everything. if anything you are making him worse.
If he was alone he would have to make decisions and take action. If that action is suicide it is not down to you it is still his decision.
I have complex PTSD with occasional psychosis, hallucinations and I'm on long term medication for depression which makes it better.
I live alone with my cat, my DS is grown up and independent now, I have a full time responsible medical job in the NHS, a mortgage, a decent pension and a good social circle.
Being on my own means I HAVE to make the effort because there is nobody here to pick up the slack.
Do what you need to do - you are NOT responsible for him.

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 18/03/2021 09:14

And, I have no time for people who don't get help. There is no excuse for it especially when he is dragging you down with him. Show him this.

Kelly345 · 18/03/2021 09:18

You cannot be held responsible fir a person killing themselves. If they were that way inclined they were going to do it anyway, regardless if someone kicked them out, so don't let this be used against you as a threat. He clearly doesn't want help and there's nothing you can do to change that. Only he can do that.

IM0GEN · 18/03/2021 09:22

@Shehasadiamondinthesky

I'm sorry but you don't hold his life in your hands, he is responsible for his own life, for getting help, for taking medication, for getting better. He doesn't even try because you are doing everything. if anything you are making him worse. If he was alone he would have to make decisions and take action. If that action is suicide it is not down to you it is still his decision. I have complex PTSD with occasional psychosis, hallucinations and I'm on long term medication for depression which makes it better. I live alone with my cat, my DS is grown up and independent now, I have a full time responsible medical job in the NHS, a mortgage, a decent pension and a good social circle. Being on my own means I HAVE to make the effort because there is nobody here to pick up the slack. Do what you need to do - you are NOT responsible for him.
This is excellent advice. Please listen to @Shehasadiamondinthesky.

This is no life for you and the children. I know you care about your husband but you have a duty first of all to yourself and your children.

He is choosing to live like this because he has decided not to get help. Your kids don’t have a choice.

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RoseAndRose · 18/03/2021 09:25

However his depression is like a horrible disease which has taken over him

Not 'like', it is a horrible disease

Has he sought medical help?

plus trying to be a therapist for my husband

Stop trying - he needs a proper, qualified therapist

He needs proper help. You cannot patch this and he sounds ill. A proper diagnosis and treatment plan could make all the difference in the world. If he will not cooperate, then you cannot force him, and then it will be the time to look at how to separate as safely as possible.

Babdoc · 18/03/2021 09:29

OP, this is no way to live your life. Do you really want the next 30 years to be the same?
I think your DH is using this “depression” as a form of emotional blackmail and abusive control in your marriage.
He has a vested interest in remaining “depressed” as it means he gets to lounge on the sofa and go off to visit friends without having to earn a living. You are doing absolutely all the work in the marriage and he contributes nothing.
Why is he not going to the GP? Why is he not on antidepressant medication? Why is he conveniently always on the verge of sorting it himself but never actually does?
The suicide threat is standard abusers’ script, too, to keep you slaving on and stop you leaving.
Call his bluff, OP. Tell him he goes to the GP and starts treatment, with your support. Or you will start divorce proceedings. And mean it. Otherwise you will indeed spend the next 30 years “enabling” this horrible codependent abusive marriage.

Sarahlou63 · 18/03/2021 09:30

You need to prioritise your, and your children's needs. Your husband is showing - and telling you - that he will lean on you, punish you and leech off until your own mental health is on a par with his. It would be a good idea for you to get counselling to improve your resilience and to develop coping strategies to deal with his lack of support. Also, don't give in to his sexual coercion, it's unpleasant at best and abuse at worst.

ginghamstarfish · 18/03/2021 09:32

You aren't responsible for his actions OP, and it sounds like you're at the end of your tether. You need to give him an ultimatum - he gets proper help, with your support, or you need to take care of yourself and kids and work out how best to separate from him.

KihoBebiluPute · 18/03/2021 09:32

You can't fix people.
You only get one life on this planet.
What happens with his life is not your responsibility. He is not your job.
You have been carrying him for too long.
It is easy for him to choose not to change anything because you are carrying him.
Nothing will change until you stop carrying him any more. That will definitely happen sooner or later, either if you choose to stop, or if you try to keep going and eventually break under the strain. It would be better all round, especially for the kids, if you go for the former option.

Comtesse · 18/03/2021 09:33

“If you were nice to me I would not be depressed”. That is rubbish. Two kids and a third on the way. They are more important than him now - only you can care for them, he is so checked out. Does he take any medication or does he refuse that as well? Time for tough love OP. Look after your kids and yourself - he will pull you all down.

BlingLoving · 18/03/2021 09:36

Oh OP, this sounds so awful and I fully understand that it's all very well for posters on the internet to say that you're not responsible for him but that it's really hard to internalise that and truly believe it.

I read on here a while ago that mental health is not an excuse for being abusive. And I would suggest that this is emotionally abusive behaviour. He is leaving you to handle everything and everyone and if you complain or struggle he manipulates your emotions by blaming you for his depression and using his depression as an excuse. This is not okay.

I have absolutely no idea what solutions are out there for you to step in eg if you go to the GP and explain what's happening, is there any support etc? It might be worth a call at least. And certainly, if he's suicidal you have the right to try find help.

But ultimately, this is no way to live your life. With a man who is not willing to even attempt to solve his problems and who claims to love you but is happy to see you suffer and struggle and work and take everything on.

Also, what does this do to your kids? One day they get lovely kind funny caring daddy and the next day they get the daddy who will simply ignore them? That is not healthy.

I would a) call the GP. Then depending on exactly what is said there I'd b) tell him that if he doesn't access/seek help he needs to leave and make it clear that you are not responsible for his actions, including suicide. I know that is easier said than done. I'm sorry.

GammyLeg · 18/03/2021 09:37

"I think your DH is using this “depression” as a form of emotional blackmail and abusive control in your marriage."

Yes. Blaming his depression on you not giving him affection, and shutting you down when you try and bring up therapy is extremely manipulative and abusive. This is no life for you, OP. It sounds absolutely miserable, and for your children, too, who will also grow up believing they are responsible for their father's mental health.

PomegranateQueen · 18/03/2021 09:39

Your first priorities are yourself and your children. You cannot drag him to the GP, to therapy etc, he has to do this himself. I'm sorry but coaxing you into sex and telling you that your lack of sex life is making him ill is abusive.

You only get one life and your DCs only have one childhood.

eggyknife · 18/03/2021 09:41

This is ridiculous. You cannot and should not be living like this.

He needs to accept responsibility and get some help.

Just how long has this been going on? Does he work?

(My partner ended his life. I have real experience of this)

Ardvark111 · 18/03/2021 09:44

How can he forget to go into work,? I'm not being funny but he is old enough to sort a place to live and he will not forget to go to benefits office when he has no cash or roof over his head,!!

gutful · 18/03/2021 09:45

I have bipolar so understand depression

Have zero sympathy for people who aren’t proactive about their mental health & refuse to see a doctor but unload & lash out at their family, creating an atmosphere & bringing everyone else they claim to live down without a care in the world

When I am depressed want to mask that & hide it from the world, not use the people around me & manipulate them into staying with me while I suck the life out of them.

He is manipulating you - only abusive & manipulative people will use their mental health / threaten suicide as a means for you to stay in a situation which makes you miserable.

Get out babes, you have one life & martyring yourself for him ain’t it

harknesswitch · 18/03/2021 09:48

He needs to see his go at the very least.

If he threatens to kill himself phone the police.

You can't be held responsible for him. Unfortunately you are enabling him, as you well know. It's a horrid horrid existence for you both, but he really needs to be helping himself

Haffiana · 18/03/2021 09:49

OP, your head has been completely turned upside down. This is all very wrong and you cannot see it.

What you are not seeing is that you are actually standing between him and the help that he needs. The professional, proper help that someone with a medical MH condition needs. That includes housing and therapy and proper support. You are stopping your partner from the direct contact with his own situation, health and reality, and the help that he could access.

If someone threatens suicide then the correct response is to ring 999 to get them the help they need. Every normal adult knows this.

Anything else is just the delusion of Fear, Obligation and Guilt. FOG. The delusional belief that you are necessary to fix him, to save him. You need to step away from that delusion. It will be hard, but for your own self AND for him you need to do it.

Juno231 · 18/03/2021 09:51

@Haffiana

OP, your head has been completely turned upside down. This is all very wrong and you cannot see it.

What you are not seeing is that you are actually standing between him and the help that he needs. The professional, proper help that someone with a medical MH condition needs. That includes housing and therapy and proper support. You are stopping your partner from the direct contact with his own situation, health and reality, and the help that he could access.

If someone threatens suicide then the correct response is to ring 999 to get them the help they need. Every normal adult knows this.

Anything else is just the delusion of Fear, Obligation and Guilt. FOG. The delusional belief that you are necessary to fix him, to save him. You need to step away from that delusion. It will be hard, but for your own self AND for him you need to do it.

100% this OP! You're setting yourself on fire to keep him warm except you're not even doing that.
Tempusfudgeit · 18/03/2021 09:53

Let go with love.

Sicario · 18/03/2021 09:54

If he threatens to kill himself call the police

This. A thousand times. It is the ultimate emotional blackmail and designed only to make you do what he wants you to do.

You cannot fix him and it's not your responsibility. It's his. I was in a similar situation. I got divorced and never looked back.

Yebanksandbraes · 18/03/2021 09:55

OP, you have been so supportive over the years but pp are right, he needs professional help.
I know you care for him and want your kids to have their dad around. Losing their dad to suicide would have a profound effect on them, so I imagine this is something you think about a lot. Having small children won't be helping his stress levels, but is be interested to know if his depression was like this before children?

I don't know how you will be able to get him to engage with professional help though. Would he do it for his children's sake? To save your marriage?

Bluecomfort · 18/03/2021 09:58

He sounds completely manipulative. Depression does not make you forget to go to work. He’s a useless sack of shit, and he knows it to the point where he’s emotionally blackmailing you to allow him to stay. He knows you can do so much better