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To feel like my life is a prison?

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namechangeforadvicepls · 16/03/2021 11:52

I feel like my life is a prison.

I can't figure out which of my decisions are my own and which are me picking out of a few options my husband gave me. Don't get me wrong he is a good man and he is just trying to do what he thinks is best for us. He never tells me what to do but I do what I know he will want?

But my life has become smaller and smaller over the years we have been together. I was bubbly and funny and had a good circle of friends when we met. He wanted to go travelling so I didn't go to Uni to do so and don't get me wrong I did love travelling.

We got back and he set up a business and I went to work. Over the years, he asked me for more and more help in his business that I felt I couldn't say no to. I now work for him full time, from home.

I don't have any friends left, he has fallen out with all his family. I still see my Mum a couple of times a month (in normal times), but I don't see much of my sisters as he doesn't like their partners. He won’t go to things like if my mum had a barbeque or Sunday lunch at hers and my sisters are going, they do things like that often but we don’t go. I've noticed he seems to have stepped up how much he doesn't like them recently.

I've gained so much weight because I feel like all I can do is eat, that's the only fun thing I have left in my life. My weight has stopped us from having children. We're 36 and have been together 20 years. I feel like I didn't see being controlled coming, I was just a child and desperate to get away from my Mum who was also really controlling (she has got a lot better with time). It's only really the past few years since I have learned more about feminism that I have realised I never really felt I had any options, I always thought the most important thing was to have a husband and I have just sleep walked through my life.

Our life looks so perfect from the outside but inside I am miserable. I overheard him on the phone the other day telling my Mum how I had chosen our car. I don't like our car, it's so low and I struggle to get out of it but it was the best of the (bad) options he gave to me and totally opposite to what I would choose if I had free reign. But it's a Mercedes and I feel like I should be grateful about it? I would have picked an ecosport or a juke.

He is a workaholic and works outside of the home but has to do paperwork at home. He does this on an evening and on a weekend. I have to sit with him at the dining room table while he does this, even if that means staying up til midnight, getting up at 5am, or last Sunday he was doing it from about 10am-8pm. I do 100% of the mental load and housework and care of the dogs - he makes me a cup of tea once or twice a week. He often rings me 20 times a day when he is working - sometimes a genuine question about work but mostly to rant or talk while he is between jobs or driving. He likes me to be at home when he is.

Despite all this I do love him. (Although I don’t think I fancy him anymore. I have no sex drive at all.) He had a traumatic childhood and I can understand where his control issues come from and I do have sympathy for him and what he went through. He refuses to have counselling.

But I feel like I am an empty shell. My self confidence and self esteem is so low, I am so scared of life outside of this house, I would have absolutely nothing, no education, no career prospects and no money but I am so unhappy.

OP posts:
MMMarmite · 26/03/2021 12:25

Flowers great work, and good luck for the next few weeks!

If you have any setbacks please don't be afraid or embarrassed to come back at any point in the future, it can take several attempts to see straight after being manipulated so long. Mumsnetters can always help cut through his crap.

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 26/03/2021 12:27

All the very best of luck @namechangeforadvicepls. I'll carry on thinking of you and keeping you in my thoughts

Brainisfried80s · 26/03/2021 12:33

I think before ending the relationship you need to take back some control to see if you can or if he won’t let you. Do you think he is taking control because you’ve always been happy to go along with what he thinks? What happens when you stand up to him? It’s great that you’ve recognised the problems, tell him how unhappy you are and why, try building up your independence and set some ground rules, if you still aren’t happy or he won’t let you do these things then you need to leave. Good luck.

Brainisfried80s · 26/03/2021 12:37

Just read more into what you say he does, awful! Sorry I commented too early.

Thatnameistaken · 26/03/2021 12:49

Good luck op!

Apileofballyhoo · 26/03/2021 12:52

@Brainisfried80s

I think before ending the relationship you need to take back some control to see if you can or if he won’t let you. Do you think he is taking control because you’ve always been happy to go along with what he thinks? What happens when you stand up to him? It’s great that you’ve recognised the problems, tell him how unhappy you are and why, try building up your independence and set some ground rules, if you still aren’t happy or he won’t let you do these things then you need to leave. Good luck.
OP has already said expressing what she wants to do causes great tension and unpleasantness, criticism of her and her family and friends, attacks on her self esteem, and if she still tries to go ahead, attempts at sabotage.
MMMarmite · 26/03/2021 12:55

@Brainisfried80s

I think before ending the relationship you need to take back some control to see if you can or if he won’t let you. Do you think he is taking control because you’ve always been happy to go along with what he thinks? What happens when you stand up to him? It’s great that you’ve recognised the problems, tell him how unhappy you are and why, try building up your independence and set some ground rules, if you still aren’t happy or he won’t let you do these things then you need to leave. Good luck.
Oh my god, don't do this. He is a dangerous abuser, this level of control is really extreme. You have already almost left once and he manipulated back into this controlled state. He may already be getting suspicious of your growing independence, and ramping up his control techniques.

You already know all you need to about him. Make your plans secretly and safely, then get away.

zzizzer · 26/03/2021 12:55

Good luck OP.

And yeah ignore the naive people saying you can fix this. You can't. You've tried so hard for years and he's literally told you he will not change.

Mittens030869 · 26/03/2021 12:58

That poster corrected herself after she gave that advice, with apologies.

Stratfordplace · 26/03/2021 12:58

I really hope you can start to enjoy your life.

One thing, if he’s such a workaholic he will be able to afford to be generous with you. Don’t settle for less than you are entitled to for your contribution to the business. Flowers

Mittens030869 · 26/03/2021 13:00

I’m wishing you all the best, OP, you’re a lot stronger than you realise. Please let us know how you’re getting on in a few weeks but, in the meantime, I agree with the advice to ask for this thread to be deleted to be on the safe side. Flowers

AmberItsACertainty · 26/03/2021 13:07

@Principessa2070

Is he incapable of doing his own paper work?

Does it really have to be 5.30am?

Even if not physical what he's doing to you is abuse and/or coercive control and you need to leave.

It's a control thing. He's doing everything he can to prevent her from thinking.

He doesn't need her help, or to chat for emotional support. He's just making sure her attention is on him and his needs/wants at all times, leaving her no time to think about the reality of her life.

It's why he phones her all the time when he's not there. If she's not talking on the phone to him, she's thinking about when the next phone call might be.

It's why he times her when she goes to the toilet or takes a shower, he wants her clock watching, not having the mental space to contemplate things.

The sleep deprivation is part of it. Too tired to think straight.

He doesn't want her having any ability to analyse those niggling doubts in her mind that something isn't right. No mental space to question those put downs and unfair comments. No opportunity to realise she's been manipulated into 'making certain decisions' which she didn't actually make at all. When she thought she was making decisions she was only doing what she had to do to avoid being punished. He wants to give her no time or energy to think about all of this.

It's all deliberate and calculated.

billy1966 · 26/03/2021 13:14

Wishing you the very best.

Apileofballyhoo · 26/03/2021 13:15

Sorry for doing the big quote thing, brain, just didn't want the OP to lose confidence.

standingfreddo · 26/03/2021 13:33

Could your life really be worse than this? You'll get to speak to your family again, hopefully reconnect with old friends (if you told them how controlling he was I'm sure they'd understand), you can sleep in every weekend. I cannot understand how you don't think he is not 100% at fault here. You're bending over backwards to accommodate his needs and sacrificing so much and he won't even let you go and see your mum or get counselling to work on your marriage? I promise you a child in this relationship won't make you happy. You'll still be isolated, I doubt he'll be a hands on dad so you'll be doing all of the work. If he can control you to this extent, think about what he'll be like with a child. Do you want this life for your child? Not being able to do what makes them happy? Living in fear?

What possible excuse could he have for not letting you go and see your family or friends? He cannot possibly be that pathetic he can't bare to be away from you for one night after 20 years together. He knows what he is doing, it's been his intentions all along to isolate you so that you don't feel like you have anyone else. He knows that if you having strong relationships with other people you are more likely to leave him. He knows he treats you like shit.

Can you pack a suitcase and go to your mums? Have you told her what he's really like? Because every single poster on your thread has agreed that you should leave him, I would be very surprised if your mum doesn't understand (and even if she doesn't, you should still leave! Plenty of other people out there who will understand!). Please leave.

AmberItsACertainty · 26/03/2021 13:45

I do agree with you that I do have a fairytale view of relationships and that it is a factor that has kept me here. Definitely.

OP your update is really positive and I'm so pleased you're getting help.

I'm going to pull the above point apart for you to help with the future.

In fairy tales it's always a man rescues an imprisoned woman, or a woman fixes a broken man through love, and they live happily ever after. You know what genre fairy tales films are? Fantasy. Look at the title: Fairy. Tale. A fairy is a mythical creature that doesn't exist. A tale is a story. Fairy tales aren't real.

In reality if a man wants to rescue an imprisoned woman he's quite likely to get angry when she's recovered from that experience and gained independence. People do what they want to do. He wanted to rescue an imprisoned upset woman. He wants a damaged imprisoned woman, not a whole healthy one.

If the fairy tale knight truly wanted to rescue the princess for her own benefit, he wouldn't take her back to his magical castle to be his wife. He'd give her a little cottage in the grounds, tell her to crack in with her new life and he's there if she needs him. But even in the films, if he's not even going to get a kiss out if it then why bother slaying those dragons eh?

If a woman tries to fix a broken man, she gives absolutely everything she has of herself. All her time, emotions and energy, her possessions/money even. And she ends up broken herself. Because people do what they want to do. A broken person takes responsibility for their brokenness and works to fix it or at least resolves not to inflict it on others. Even a therapist can't fix a broken person, all they can do is show the broken person how to fix themselves, which probably involves taking action or changing their mindset.

A broken person is never going to turn round and say "oh thank heavens! You've saved my life, I'll be eternally kissing your boots forever more".

If they recover, the broken person is likely to feel stifled by the fixer or frustrated that the fixer has no time for them any more because she's off fixing all the other lame ducks she can find. Don't be a fixer. Aim to have 'equality' type experiences with people. Mutual respect.

CecilyP · 26/03/2021 13:54

We had a conversation a couple of weeks ago where he asked if I would ever leave him and I said no, and he said he wouldn’t blame me if I did because he knows he works too much. He literally said he is how he is because of his childhood, but that he wouldn’t change. He said it. He also said “I’d be sad if you left, but I don’t think I would be able to change [my work habits].” As part of the conversation I asked if he would go to counselling, and he said no. He’s been honest with me, his priority is work and he’s never going to change. He doesn't want to.

This is just so manipulative. Like making the reason you might think of leaving being because of some virtue on his part eg working hard and building up a business. Like you're some sort needy person who cannot amuse herself while he is busy with work. Yet you are perfectly capable of finding things to do. You've suggested quite a few on this thread. The problem isn't that he works so hard, it is that he won't let you do anything else while he's working. He phones you constanly during his working day. He actively puts you off doing stuff with other people that you have been invited to. He even has you watching while he does the paperwork which he isn't very good at. I really don't thing 'workaholism' is the problem. Many women have have hardworking husbands but carry on with their own lives during that time, and then do something fun with them when they are not working. The problem is his total control.

I so am glad the second person you spoke to at the support team was able to be more supportive and I wish you good luck. I hope you will be able to update us soon with a positive outcome.

buttercupsarelovelyandyellow · 26/03/2021 14:05

Good luck ❤️

RandomMess · 26/03/2021 14:25

His whole little speech is actually

I am the only one that matters, I want to work and do what I want, you aren't even as important to me as my business.

I hope you feel empowered to leave very soon the control he has over you is very scary the fact you can't go to bed and get up when you want and you aren't allowed any hobbies nor to have a relationship with your sisters 😢😢😢😢😢 if your Mum is not 100% supportive do not discuss it with her just stick to those that are.

whitespotsgreenleaves · 26/03/2021 14:25

He’s been honest with me, his priority is work and he’s never going to change

I agree with PP that he was being manipulative, not honest. He is trying to make you think that any concerns you have about the marriage are to do with him working long hours. But that isn't the problem in your marriage. Plenty of women have workaholic husbands but are content in their marriages as they have their own full and independent lives. The problem in your marriage is that you are allowed almost no existence outside him, to the extent of having to sit with him, doing only what he allows you to (crafts and chatting to him) whilst he works or does DIYor whatever.
The problem is entirely his abusive need to control you and not his work ethic.

minou123 · 26/03/2021 14:40

I wish you all the very best of luck, OP.

Mittens030869 · 26/03/2021 14:48

If he’s such a workaholic to the exclusion of all else, why does he take the time to phone his DW 14 times in quick succession?

Answer: because she’s his PA in his eyes not his DW. The OP has said that he treats his workers badly too.

Bythemillpond · 26/03/2021 14:53

He also said “I’d be sad if you left, but I don’t think I would be able to change [my work habits

So how does that workout?

Does that mean if you left he would still require you to go and sit with him at 5.30am in the morning or whenever he is doing his paperwork. Would he still be calling you 20 times per day?

I think I couldn’t have resisted turning around and saying that his work habits would change because he wouldn’t have me sat there keeping him company at all hours of the day
He might choose to work all hours but you are having to do the same hours by his insistence that you sit alongside him.

Shallow07 · 26/03/2021 15:32

Best of luck to you OP Flowers there is a fun, satisfying, normal life waiting for you on the other side of this

KatharinaRosalie · 26/03/2021 16:08

I agree with others, the 'oh I'm such a workaholic' is just his prep for if you happen to leave him. It will be all poor him and how selfish the wife was, not understanding he is working so hard for the family...

As pp said, if he was really an incredibly busy workaholic, he would not have the time and energy he is currently putting into controlling and managing your every breath. That sounds like a full time job in itself!