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Dating Thread 200 - Spring is in the Air, Ghosters Beware

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cravingthelook · 22/02/2021 09:26

The Rules:

  1. The first rule about the dating thread is don't talk about it with people you're dating.
  2. Develop a thick skin.
  3. Do not invest emotionally too soon.
  4. It's all BS until it actually happens.
  5. Trust your gut instinct.
  6. People vanishing, lying & being generally weird is not your fault.
  7. Know your worth.
  8. If it's not fun, stop.
  9. Loo update is mandatory.
10. No dating the thread. 11. Treat others as you'd like to be treated 12. Any relationship you have that could get ruined by having a conversation about your feelings, standards and/or expectations wasn't really stable enough to begin with 13. The things you choose to ignore/ tolerate now are the reasons you will break up in the future 14. OLD can get very time consuming. Keep doing other activities you enjoy.

Optional: Please give your irons (potential dates you are talking to) nicknames like Mr Scottish. Initials are allowed (Mr S) when you are an item

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LongtimelurkerL · 08/03/2021 17:45

@cravingthelook oh that is tough - can he not go to his bedroom for calls?

UtterSocks · 08/03/2021 17:57

Aw thanks @TheCatWithTheHat. I really should be over it a year on though, it was only a three-month thing, but I still talk to him, although not frequently, which is basically like putting my hand in the fire. We actually get on well when we chat, and I hate falling out with people - someone would have to be utterly heinous to me for me to block them - but also I think if he ever gets with someone else it would make me really sad (despite the fact that I have dated with a manic energy ever since last summer in an effort to get over him. Heartbreak did not make me a nicer person, it made me a bit of a player if anything.)

I take your point about Mr G's ex @Sortingitout but they never actually agreed for her to be a SAHM. She made the decision unilaterally because she didn't like her job, and they couldn't afford it and Mr G ended up taking a second job to make ends meet. As well as looking after the kids while she stayed in bed all day. He begged her to work for years, and it is triggering for me because it is exactly what my ex did, I paid for him for years and years and years while he played at being a writer and, not satisfied with his pound of flesh, he is now trying to fleece me in the divorce as well. Mr G isn't a nasty person at all (he is much nicer than me, and way nicer than Mr Beard who slated his ex despite him being the cheater in that relationship) and he does not really talk about her much, but the facts are the facts. She has a roof over her head at her mum's but she won't let him sell the house and give her half (which I think would be a result considering she never paid the mortgage) but rather wants him to let her move back in, effectively giving her the entire house, and move out himself, therefore paying for two homes while she carries on lying around watching TV. The kids are older teens and live with him most of the week so she isn't even being a SAHM. She may have had an operation now but she hasn't actually had the excuse of illness for 14 bloody years. But yes it is a massive trigger for me. It is way too close to home.

@cravingthelook when are you planning to have the chat? Do you want a proper monogamous relationship with him?? Have you thought about what you will say? Hope he is on the same page!

Regarding frequency of messaging - it's how I tell how much l like someone, if it bothers me or not. Sometimes I barely notice when I am chatting to a few. But then if I've got the feels for someone I will be checking WhatsApp statuses like a nutter. And also I am an up and down messenger - either chatting all day or forgetting for 24 hours when I am busy. Unless I am properly besotted of course! With Mr L, we hardly bother any more - there isn't much to say really haha, and with Mr G - well he has two jobs and two kids so sometimes he is busy and I don't hear from him, but he makes me feel secure so I don't care. I once dated a guy (briefly) I called Mr Maniac and he sent me about 2000 messages in a week and went mad if he thought I was online to someone else. He still treated me like crap though! It wasn't a measure of how much he liked me, clearly. I think people are just different - my friends all differ in their messaging style and frequency but because I am not romantically involved with them it is not a thing. My niece has been with the love of her life 6 years now and in the first year of their relationship before they moved in together she could go a week without messaging him and was totally chilled about it. Mind you, she is way more secure than me!

I've got my covid jab now - wish me luck! Am hoping it doesn't make me ill because I am so busy at work I can't afford not to be on form!

VanGoghsDog · 08/03/2021 18:10

Sometimes not a lot is happening, so we save stuff for those calls.

Yeah, I'm debating messaging MrWG, but I have nothing to say! When I'm at mum's this weekend I'll send him a photo of the sea I think.

havecourage8bekind · 08/03/2021 18:23

It's hard starting conversation sometimes when there's not much going on in life, isn't it? After I moaned on here about inconsistent texts - we then had a really good conversation but that's ended now because of football kick off.. I might get a text afterwards. I so wish I could be more laid back when it comes to communication.

WingingItAtLife · 08/03/2021 18:59

I'm glad I've read this today!
The texting between myself and Mr Green has slowed down. Its still every day, but the replies have slowed down. I'm the type who texts back immediately, or gets distracted and replies hours later.
We've been messaging now for 2 month's, met a month ago for the first time. Only managed to meet twice since then due to me having my kids and his work commitments.
He had to cancel on me on Friday, due to having to stay to finish a job, but we did have a 2 hour phone call that night.
He's also hoping to come over Thursday if he can get off work early so fingers crossed x

SpringlikeBunk · 08/03/2021 19:22

Interesting discussion re:messaging.

I genuinely don’t know how to interpret frequency etc - there can be so many false positives and negatives

I’ve met some MrPerfects for flirting/communication by text but that doesn’t translate to MrPerfect in real life.

Or they’re messaging loads as they’re sex hounds who want to pretend there’s an intimate connection in advance so they can have sex easier?

Eg the annoying doctor I blocked was good at questions, messaged me to ask how I was after I didn’t reply to one of his for a day....but that was just as he wanted to push for a hookup sooner?

and people can have really different views as to what’s acceptable or polite or what they need to feel connected?

I’m a typing motormouth (as you can guess from my posts here) though I do tone it down and try to “mirror” dates in how they communicate.

I recall dating a student when I was working in a stressful intense role /commuting long hours (didn’t have a smartphone)

2 weeks would pass easily before I felt I had time to properly communicate beyond quick arranging messages?

For my mental health I had to do gym/chores/see other friends etc as well. It wasn’t a negotiable.

But for him sitting at home writing his dissertation I was being cold and heartless 🤷‍♀️

MrC has genuinely been 100% reliable and very good with messaging/regular calls when away but also we have different life goals so good messaging doesn’t really help! 😬

WeWantTheFinestWines · 08/03/2021 19:36

I'm in the missing-ex boat with cat. Feel so pathetic cos the relationship lasted less than a year, he ended it in August and we've been completely nc since then. I just miss what he added to my life so much, and how he made me feel. And now I just feel empty and bereft, swiping left or having the odd perfunctory chat and it just seems so pointless when all that's out there is hurt and disappointment. I put on a great front at work and with friends who've listened to me long enough and deserve a break 😁 but it's hard to dig yourself out of the gloom when you can do nothing and go nowhere.

cravingthelook · 08/03/2021 20:03

@havecourage8bekind thank you. Your 'just message in case he's waiting too' was what I needed. I've decided 'fuck it' and I've been just chatty to Mr HT just chatted (via WhatsApp) about work and life and tv and the news. It's been slightly flirty but mostly just normal chatty, like we used to. It reminds me why we get along so well.
I'm sure there's days where he's busy and he'll be less chatty, but sometimes I need to not over think it, like I did today. We get along because he likes my banter (he's said that since day one) so I'm just going to be me. So thanks
I have my cheesy smile back on.

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havecourage8bekind · 08/03/2021 20:45

@cravingthelook I'm so glad you messaged him and he's responded. Wow I actually gave some decent advice Shock. Hope you've enjoyed your evening of chats - I always think it's lovely how small talk about your day, TV, the world can make you feel so happy when you've got that connection with them. I'd definitely bring up where things are going again - it doesn't have to be that you're asking him to commit but you can still have planned dates but not be official

Mayzee · 08/03/2021 22:15

I wonder about messaging and if he is not picking up on cues. I mentioned to Mr TG that I’ve had a shitty day today (I’ve had a confirmation of diagnosis of ADHD for my son and it has hit me hardSad) but he hasn’t asked why or if I’m ok.
Now he is very boundaried about personal stuff and often seems reluctant to allow me to share anything personal let alone tell me anything super personal about him.
We’ve known each other only 3.5 months, have been intimate but I feel like we are not building real intimacy in getting to know each other.
Am I expecting too much at this stage?
I don’t want him to solve my problems-no one can in this case anyway-but feeling like I can unload and get some comfort from a partner is what I want.
Is it too early to expect this?

cravingthelook · 08/03/2021 22:37

@Mayzee I think it depends on the person. Mr HT and I have discussed our traumas. I normally wouldn't but it was a natural conversation when he told me and I told him mine last time he was here.

I find that men don't pick up on subtle cues. You need to tell him if you are down and why. If you are ready to.

In other news I gave myself a manicure and pedicure this evening. I also have a temp hair dye on to cover my greys. I cannot wait until salons are open and I can have this done for me.

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DudeFromThatLondon · 08/03/2021 22:39

@Mayzee - not necessarily too early but he might not be on that wavelength. It's quite hard when you don't know someone that well to know how to react when they tell you difficult stuff. Likely they just need an ear and a hug but I think that 1. lots of people are not aware of that (guys mostly) and 2. even if they do, they forget (that's what I do).

UtterSocks · 09/03/2021 01:02

@Mayzee I’m sorry to hear that - hope you are ok this evening. Maybe Mr TH doesn’t know what to say and is scared of saying the wrong thing? Does he generally react when you say you are struggling with something? Or remember to ask how you are, or ask questions about you? If it is just a one off he may genuinely not know what to say, but if it is a pattern then maybe take note. But if he doesn’t talk about his own stuff either maybe he is just a guarded person. I tend to be open and I am comfortable with men who are too but not everyone finds it as easy to express emotion.

I don’t know your situation with your ex, your son’s dad, but can you discuss the diagnosis with him or with other family members? Do you have some support IRL other than Mr TG?

Mayzee · 09/03/2021 09:34

@UtterSocks thank you. I knew the diagnosis was coming but it was hard to hear it and have it confirmed. I’ll be fine, I’m good at dealing with shit and will talk to my sisters/ mam eventually.
My ex had a breakdown last year and our relationship is strained (because he blames me and my apparently slutty behaviour for his breakdown Confused) so he’s not an option.

Mr TG is very guarded and I can be too. So I’m not talking about heavy stuff with him at all save for an odd mention of things going on. I know he would be empathetic if he knew as he was great when my daughter was ill in hospital before Christmas and we barely knew each other then.
I think I just needed a hug last night, which he was never in a position to provide anyway, but I was being too subtle because I didn’t tell him straight this thing happened and I’m upset, I just alluded to it being a shitty day - which most Mondays are to be fair Grin

Thanks for replying @cravingthelook and @DudeFromThatLondon it’s so hard to know if you are at the point with someone when things are getting deeper and you can feel comfortable sharing things. I guess I need to test it when we are next together. And I also never know what to say when someone tells me something that is upsetting them!

UtterSocks · 09/03/2021 12:10

Wow. Well, Mr G's ex has excelled herself today. She phoned him and said she is not having the kids again at weekends (so we can't see each other) and that she will be moving back to the house and if he doesn't leave she will be calling the police and accusing him of violence so she can get a non-molestation order and force him out. I swear he is the gentlest person I have ever met, I couldn't pick a fight with him if I tried. But I can't deal with this. It will just go on and on forever. I knew I should have dropped him weeks ago. I am emotionally entangled now. But also, I think I'm out. I don't need this, I feel like I'm in an episode of Jeremy Kyle. Weirdly it is exactly a year next Monday I first slept with Mr Beard, a few days before lockdown. I still remember how crazy I felt at the time. I had not had sex with anyone for years and years (never went near my horrible husband), hadn't liked any of my 20-odd dates that preceded him. I was so nervous. And the sex was amazing. He was amazing. And then lockdown. When the weather is nice I get flashbacks to how crazy I felt at the time. I have had so many insane dates since then - FWBs, FBs, platonic friends, crazies, players, nice guys who were just boring, ghosters. It's been a right rollercoaster but I was actually starting to allow myself to believe I had met a good guy. And I have. But this is not sustainable. I can't do this. I've just messaged him with the number of a family lawyer and told him he needs to take some time to sort himself out. I'm in work and I feel quite broken by it all. Last night we were looking forward to spending Thursday night at mine and the weekend at his and talking about holidays. Now this.

Mayzee · 09/03/2021 12:55

Oh @UtterSocks that sounds nightmarish. Obviously for him, but if he sits back and allows this to happen it will never end. So I get how it is a nightmare for you also. All of us that have gone through a separation/divorce have had our fair share of drama but that is next level and will impact negatively on your lives together.
Did he respond to your message? Does he actually get that this level of drama and him not having a cleaner break is a red line for you?

UtterSocks · 09/03/2021 13:33

I have told him @Mayzee, I said at the start I would enjoy his company while she was away and there were no dramas but if she started again I would have to walk away, but we had just been avoiding talking about her because I didn't really want to give him up and thought she might see reason. He just responded to my message saying "I'm sorry, I should not have told you, I will deal with it". He won't. He has been putting up with her for years because of her threats. He has never dealt with it. I haven't responded as I don't know what else I can say. I just feel really sad for him but also for me because I promised I wouldn't do this to myself. I just want a normal relationship.

frankiefirstyear · 09/03/2021 13:43

So sorry for you going through this @UtterSocks , what a terrible situation. I have major drama and baggage with my ex and part of me thinks it's not fair to bring someone else into the lions den with me, and part of me feels that I'm a good person and deserve happiness. I to and fro between the two and tbh it's awful. I'm not sure what you think he should do with his ex? I've been told countless times to cut my ex out of my life (also his children's lives) but that decision doesn't sit well with me at all, despite the fact he's a violent and nasty man, he is good with his children when he's on form. This could be a similar dilemma for your man. Either way, awful and so sorry you feel so bad, and stuck in work especially feeling so bad Thanks

cravingthelook · 09/03/2021 13:57

@UtterSocks my ex is a drama queen also (good dad but holy hell he cannot deal with emotion). I now deal with it by refusing to engage with his tantrums. It took me a while to do this (and a lot of counselling).

So here's my advice- you can take with a pinch of salt.

Step back and breathe, you know Mr G is a good one. He says he will deal with it. So let him. If he doesn't then I guess you know it's your deal breaker and you walk. Maybe this time he has an incentive to deal with it. He's given in for a easy life in the past. Now it means he could lose you he might just step up and sort it. It will be bloody hard though.

He probably told you because he needs the support. If I were you I'd send him something like...
It's good that you are dealing with it, I will give you the time you need to resolve this situation but please know I am willing you on from the sidelines. Call me when there is resolution.

That way he knows you are stepping away from the situation not him.

If he doesn't resolve things you know he's not for you

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UtterSocks · 09/03/2021 14:09

@frankiefirstyear that's just it, I feel he is a good person and deserves to be happy and I feel rotten for wanting to walk away. But I want to be happy too. I think he should man up, take legal advice, sell the bloody house and stand up to her instead of bending to her every insane threat. She has form for calling the police on him - if he disagrees with her she would call the police and says he has threatened her and she is frightened. She has told him if they go to court over the house she will borrow some crutches to walk in on. (I have told him this is a bloody nonsense as all court hearings are online and it's not like there would be a jury) But it is all drama and craziness. I know half of the people reading this will be thinking 'no smoke without fire' but I have dated enough volatile men to truly believe he is not one. I just trust my gut on this. They have split up before but he let her come back because she refused to let him see the kids when they were small so he stuck it out for years in order to be with his children, but they are older now and so it wouldn't be an issue (and they mostly Iive with him anyway). His ex in-laws and her friends still really like him which they wouldn't if there was a grain of truth in any of this. She doesn't talk to half her own family anyway. I just don't want this in my life, for the rest of my life, and can't see an end to it. I was just stupid really enjoying the last few weeks when I knew it would flare up again.

cravingthelook · 09/03/2021 14:10

Oh and a message for us all.

We probably will never met another adult who's never had trauma of some sort. We need to remember this. We need to be kind. Sometimes people are closed, it's usually because they are hurting.

I've been closed, Mr HT is very closed at times. I almost stepped away back in January, I'd have missed out on the fun and joy we've have since if I had.

Give people and yourself time and space to trust. My gut has fear now- today. I will not let that fear rob me of something potentially good. I remind myself of this daily.

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UtterSocks · 09/03/2021 14:11

I actually don't know how I ended up in this situation. It's ridiculous. Except he lied to me, I guess. I don't really know how he thought he could keep it quiet...

UtterSocks · 09/03/2021 14:16

@cravingthelook thank you so much for your advice. That sounds very sane and sensible. I will maybe talk to him tonight (I have retreated this afternoon because I don't want to discuss it in work and get upset when I have deadlines).

I do want to support him, he deserves it, but my god I am sick of rescuing people. I'm struggling to rescue myself. I did think I might provide an incentive for him to sort this out once and for all but maybe not. It is what it is, right? I am not a patient person. I don't know how long I can wait for him. God, what a fucking year this has been!

TigsytheTiger · 09/03/2021 14:21

@UtterSocks, Would it be worth him logging her threats to the police as you've outlined them here so that if she does call wolf, he has got there first IYSWIM?

That aside, I totally understand your need for him to stand up to her and sort his shit out!

frankiefirstyear · 09/03/2021 14:26

@UtterSocks urgh what a nightmare. Flipping it to my circumstances you are in the position of my Mr M, and I'm Mr G.
It'd be absolutely devastating for me to have him walk away or even step back from me because of my ex, but unfortunately I think that could happen if my ex turns up the volume of hate towards me/him. @cravingthelook has given excellent advice above. I feel so sad for your situation as I can relate to it so much. 😭
In all honesty, if Mr M stepped back when I needed his support the most, I feel I'd lose all trust and respect for him, despite my intense feelings for him now if he let me down like that it would just kill any sparkle we have. I absolutely know it's awful to live through, and while I don't want him to go through the drama and totally understand why he'd/you'd want or need to step back for your own reasons. Wtf people can't be more stable is beyond me with so much help on offer!!

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