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Should I tell her they call her the Bunny Boiler?

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IsIgnoranceBliss · 04/02/2021 10:29

Long story, short - should I tell a friend that others don’t trust her and are calling her a “bunny boiler” because of her behaviour around married men? Or should I keep out of her business?

I’ve name changed for this, in case the people concerned recognise themselves, even though their names and some details have been changed.

There is a woman, Anna, that I used to work with until about a year ago. We were work friends and have kept in contact throughout the lockdown, with weekly phone catch-ups - largely for company during the lockdown, not because we are especially close although I enjoy her company. Anna is early-forties, long-term single but want to meet someone and ideally have a child. She has shared stories with me about her online dating exploits and about various men she has been keen on. She is very keen on a man called Tom, who she said is in an unhappy marriage, but she thinks he will be leaving his wife and has hopes for a relationship with him. I told her that I believe she should wait until he is formally separated before trying to start anything, but it is clear that she has very strong feelings for him and she is trying to get closer to him, which I don’t approve of.

I had a catch-up with another friend, Barbara, who happens to know Anna though a volunteering activity (which is allowed to continue through the pandemic). I mentioned that I was having regular calls with Anna, and Barbara referred to her as “the bunny boiler”. From Barbara’s point of view (and apparently of some of the other women in the group), Anna has had intense obsessions about a few married men in the group, has a tendency to play the “damsel in distress” with men to get their attention and can be too touchy freely with some of them (less so since social distancing came in). To be honest, I have seen Anna behave in a similar way when we worked together and can see how it might look for a single woman to behave the way she does with men - but can also see that it could be viewed as Anna just being friendly. Barbara says that some of the wives exclude Anna from some activities (pre-Covid) as her behaviour makes them uncomfortable and they think she is desperate for a man and seems to even prefer men who are already in relationships.

Tom is in the same volunteer group and Barbara said Anna was embarrassing herself and Tom with her behaviour around him. This included regularly asking Tom out for drinks (outside of lockdown) without his wife, with the excuse of a shared interest in football, confiding in him about her relationship issues, and messaging him a lot. Anna has told me she has done this and doesn’t see a problem with it because they are friends. Barbara believes that Tom is happily married and Anna is just obsessed with him.

Barbara also said that Anna’s behaviour around Tom, the other men she has been infatuated with and generally the men in the group, mean that she is not trusted. Anna is now self-employed in a role where trust is important (something like counselling) so not being seen as trustworthy could affect Anna professionally.

Do I say anything to Anna? It isn’t my business and also I don’t want to hurt her, but I am worried that her personal and professional reputation will be damaged if she’s not careful and feel I should she should know.

Sorry that was long.

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Bluntness100 · 04/02/2021 10:32

Nope. I don’t think you’re close enough, and the men are adults. It’s on them to manage their own responses. I’d also be concerned there is some bitchy ness being aimed at Anna here.

user1493413286 · 04/02/2021 10:36

I wouldn’t; I doubt she’d change her behaviour and probably just be annoyed at you. You say yourself that she’s essentially interested in a married man and making early moves towards him so while the word bunny boiler is unkind I can see why the women in the group are wary of her.

Laserbird16 · 04/02/2021 10:37

They're all adults so you don't need to get involved. It does seem a bit high school drama.

GeordieGreigsButtButtZoom · 04/02/2021 10:40

Stay out of it. The men are responsible for respecting their own marriages. Anna can't make them do anything.

gannett · 04/02/2021 10:54

Stay out of gossip. You don't even know whether this is more about Anna's behaviour or Barbara's clique's bitchiness. Nothing to do with you in any case - the men are responsible for their marriages, Anna is responsible for her conduct vis-a-vis her business.

BittyCharleston · 04/02/2021 11:31

Agree with PPs who say stay out of it.

I am interested in what makes Anna sure that Tom is unhappily married though. It seems Barbara doesn't agree. How could this even be a topic of debate among Tom's fellow volunteers, who presumably have limited access to Tom's personal/home life (unless his wife is part of the same group and everyone can see how they interact)?

Either way, though, if Tom isn't formally separated then yes Anna will be pissing people off if she's going after him romantically or laying the groundwork for doing so while calling it 'friendly'. People see through things like that a mile off, it's never subtle.

Bluntness100 · 04/02/2021 11:55

It also reads a bit like faux concern and you agree with the bitchy friend.

RantyAnty · 04/02/2021 12:09

Mind your own business and stop gossiping.
Change the subject when Babs starts gossiping about Anna.

SaltyTootsieToes · 04/02/2021 12:29

I wouldn’t just come out and tell Anna, no

Now if anna raised the discussion that the women in the group were treating her differently and wanted to discuss that with you, only then would I say something and more about his her behaviour could be perceived rather than what Barbara told you.

I had a friend similar to this except I don’t think she was looking for a relationship (at least she didn’t tell me that) but she would message other friend’s husbands about shared interests and suggest lunches/drinks without the wives. I stepped back from her when I found out she’d started messaging my own DH and told him I didn’t think it was appropriate so stop responding. These were about meeting up early for coffee before morning train, a drink at Waterloo before train home, meeting for lunch in the city during lunch breaks. My DH stopped replying abd i no longer invited her around so there were no opportunities for her to talk w my DH. My DH had told me about her texts and he felt uncomfortable himself, particularly as she was my “friend” and didn’t want to offend her.

She changed jobs, no longer in the city, so no longer bumped into my DH on train or waiting for trains before/after work. Her new job didn’t last long as she started that behaviour w the husband of company owner. She couldn’t understand why this woman felt her behaviour was not acceptable. A very confident mutual friend did set her straight but this friend didn’t take it on board (at least then) Not sure how things worked out for her as none of us are friends with her anymore.

IsIgnoranceBliss · 04/02/2021 12:32

@Bluntness100

It also reads a bit like faux concern and you agree with the bitchy friend.
It’s not faux concern, but I do think Anna is not doing herself any favours with her behaviour.
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IsIgnoranceBliss · 04/02/2021 12:34

Thanks everyone for their comments. I would have wanted to be told, so I’m glad I asked before saying something to Anna.

I agree that the husbands can look after themselves. My concern is for Anna not them.

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Bluntness100 · 04/02/2021 12:34

Yup, so you agree with the friend and are itching to tell her.

Anna’s a grown up, she is not responsible for the men’s responses.

You and your friend need to stop gossiping and bitching about her behaviour and leave her alone.

Honeyroar · 04/02/2021 12:36

Anna sounds a bit of an idiot, but Barbara and the group sound a pretty nasty lot too. I would leave them all to it.

IsIgnoranceBliss · 04/02/2021 12:36

Salty Thank you - I’ll bear that advice in mind if Anna mentions that the women are treating her differently.

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LApprentiSorcier · 04/02/2021 12:38

Agree with the majority - stay out of it and don't listen to gossip.

Monty27 · 04/02/2021 12:39

Omg I'm a single woman and the carry on of the bitching by married women around me and about me is pathetic.
There's not one of their partners I'd touch with a barge pole so it's probably the men provoking the women's paranoia and insecurities.
Or maybe the women just don't like me just for no reason 😉

Bluntness100 · 04/02/2021 12:40

I mean how in all that is holy can Anna be seen as untrustworthy because of her and Tom. Other than to you Barbara and the other wives.

It is so mean girls from school. The pair of you need to grow up, it’s all “Barbara said”. Like “Barbara” is some form of oracle. And you’re desperate to get in there and tell Anna. In true mean girl style.

It’s not going to impact her professionally and you know it. It’s no ones business what state Tom’s marriage is in, and the two of you shouldn’t be sitting gossiping. You also shouldn’t be having calls with Anna and pretending to be trust worthy and then running back to Barbara the oracle with all the gossip, then running back to Anna and saying what was said gleefully.

Single woman. Always a threat.right?

IsIgnoranceBliss · 04/02/2021 12:42

@Bluntness100

Yup, so you agree with the friend and are itching to tell her.

Anna’s a grown up, she is not responsible for the men’s responses.

You and your friend need to stop gossiping and bitching about her behaviour and leave her alone.

I’m not itching to tell her. I will not discuss Anna with Barbara again, and will also shut Anna down when she starts talking Tom’s personal life (or other men’s lives) as that would be gossiping about them.

I fear that the lockdown may have put too much focus on this aspect of a friend’s life for all of us, as there hasn’t been much going on for anyone.

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AryaStarkWolf · 04/02/2021 12:42

Oh stay well out of it imo

Bluntness100 · 04/02/2021 12:45

Yes exactly what you should do.

You shouldn’t be passing on to Barbara what Anna said and spreading gossip. Anna told you thinking you’re a friend, she made a real mistake there. And then thinking of getting back and telling Anna what Barbara’s bitchy comments were is deeply unpleasant. You’re not 14 and in school anymore.

There is a likely hood you’ve done some real damage by telling Barbara Anna thinks Tom is unhappily married. Because Barbara is going to tell someone else. And round the vicious circle goes.

Anna made a terrible mistake in trusting you.

Isitreally777 · 04/02/2021 12:46

Maybe Tom has confided in Anna about his unhappy marriage and that is how she knows.

IsIgnoranceBliss · 04/02/2021 12:50

[quote Bluntness100]I mean how in all that is holy can Anna be seen as untrustworthy because of her and Tom. Other than to you Barbara and the other wives.

It is so mean girls from school. The pair of you need to grow up, it’s all “Barbara said”. Like “Barbara” is some form of oracle. And you’re desperate to get in there and tell Anna. In true mean girl style.

It’s not going to impact her professionally and you know it. It’s no ones business what state Tom’s marriage is in, and the two of you shouldn’t be sitting gossiping. You also shouldn’t be having calls with Anna and pretending to be trust worthy and then running back to Barbara the oracle with all the gossip, then running back to Anna and saying what was said gleefully.

Single woman. Always a threat.right?[/quote]
The untrustworthy part - it is a pattern of behaviour, with Anna telling things she says she knows about the men’s private lives that they apparently told her in confidence to make it sound like she is close to them - sorry, that seemed like a detail too far in the original post.

And yes, it has affected her professionally, as people have chosen not to use or recommend her services.

I haven’t shared anything Anna told me with Barbara.

Single women aren’t all a threat - don’t be so defensive.

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Bluntness100 · 04/02/2021 12:52

I’m not defensive, and I’m happily married. Have been for a very long time.

I just really dislike women bitching about other women. I’m sorry I’m not sure I believe you sat and listed ro Barbara and said nothing in return.

I’m sure Anna is getting in just fine with our you and your friends recommendations.

IsIgnoranceBliss · 04/02/2021 12:54

@Bluntness100

Yes exactly what you should do.

You shouldn’t be passing on to Barbara what Anna said and spreading gossip. Anna told you thinking you’re a friend, she made a real mistake there. And then thinking of getting back and telling Anna what Barbara’s bitchy comments were is deeply unpleasant. You’re not 14 and in school anymore.

There is a likely hood you’ve done some real damage by telling Barbara Anna thinks Tom is unhappily married. Because Barbara is going to tell someone else. And round the vicious circle goes.

Anna made a terrible mistake in trusting you.

I didn’t tell Barbara what Anna said about Tom’s marriage.

I was trying to stop Anna getting hurt. I can see you, and others, disagree and yours points are noted.

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IsIgnoranceBliss · 04/02/2021 12:56

@Bluntness100

I’m not defensive, and I’m happily married. Have been for a very long time.

I just really dislike women bitching about other women. I’m sorry I’m not sure I believe you sat and listed ro Barbara and said nothing in return.

I’m sure Anna is getting in just fine with our you and your friends recommendations.

Believe what you like. Your comments on here are pretty bitchy so it seems yourr have double standards on that score.
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