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Should I tell her they call her the Bunny Boiler?

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IsIgnoranceBliss · 04/02/2021 10:29

Long story, short - should I tell a friend that others don’t trust her and are calling her a “bunny boiler” because of her behaviour around married men? Or should I keep out of her business?

I’ve name changed for this, in case the people concerned recognise themselves, even though their names and some details have been changed.

There is a woman, Anna, that I used to work with until about a year ago. We were work friends and have kept in contact throughout the lockdown, with weekly phone catch-ups - largely for company during the lockdown, not because we are especially close although I enjoy her company. Anna is early-forties, long-term single but want to meet someone and ideally have a child. She has shared stories with me about her online dating exploits and about various men she has been keen on. She is very keen on a man called Tom, who she said is in an unhappy marriage, but she thinks he will be leaving his wife and has hopes for a relationship with him. I told her that I believe she should wait until he is formally separated before trying to start anything, but it is clear that she has very strong feelings for him and she is trying to get closer to him, which I don’t approve of.

I had a catch-up with another friend, Barbara, who happens to know Anna though a volunteering activity (which is allowed to continue through the pandemic). I mentioned that I was having regular calls with Anna, and Barbara referred to her as “the bunny boiler”. From Barbara’s point of view (and apparently of some of the other women in the group), Anna has had intense obsessions about a few married men in the group, has a tendency to play the “damsel in distress” with men to get their attention and can be too touchy freely with some of them (less so since social distancing came in). To be honest, I have seen Anna behave in a similar way when we worked together and can see how it might look for a single woman to behave the way she does with men - but can also see that it could be viewed as Anna just being friendly. Barbara says that some of the wives exclude Anna from some activities (pre-Covid) as her behaviour makes them uncomfortable and they think she is desperate for a man and seems to even prefer men who are already in relationships.

Tom is in the same volunteer group and Barbara said Anna was embarrassing herself and Tom with her behaviour around him. This included regularly asking Tom out for drinks (outside of lockdown) without his wife, with the excuse of a shared interest in football, confiding in him about her relationship issues, and messaging him a lot. Anna has told me she has done this and doesn’t see a problem with it because they are friends. Barbara believes that Tom is happily married and Anna is just obsessed with him.

Barbara also said that Anna’s behaviour around Tom, the other men she has been infatuated with and generally the men in the group, mean that she is not trusted. Anna is now self-employed in a role where trust is important (something like counselling) so not being seen as trustworthy could affect Anna professionally.

Do I say anything to Anna? It isn’t my business and also I don’t want to hurt her, but I am worried that her personal and professional reputation will be damaged if she’s not careful and feel I should she should know.

Sorry that was long.

OP posts:
thosetalesofunexpected · 04/02/2021 14:11

@Bluntness100
Are you for real or something?

Have you actually read ops post properly then?

There is no nothing on ops thread Post here, to say that her friend Anna who is often sexually acctracted to married men,
And is acctracted to Tom too currently.
Anna does not come across at all as being that she feels she might a mistake with her feelings towards Tom in any way !
Quite the opposite, she has sensed Tom could be potentially unhappily married and Anna like a shark sensing he could be vulnerable to her charms, !
Anna does not feel any guilt,as she her moral compass is skewed fucked up.
Let's hope this Anna woman experiences a woman who is exactly same as her,and karma happens and a woman betrays her Anna when she is relantship!
So Anna experiences her Shit behaviour Consequences !

What a Arsehole shit friend Anna is !
Skanky woman !
And I am female by the way !

Tal45 · 04/02/2021 14:20

I think Anna has to work this one out for herself. I doubt she'd appreciate you telling her and nor would barbara, you could make all sorts of problems for yourself.

thosetalesofunexpected · 04/02/2021 14:21

@IsIgnoranceBliss

And all the other Posters on here, who are pro Anna,(sympathetic to Anna and her Types ,who go out of their way to do damstrel in distress fake Act,to acctract married men.!

I know that you Posters are being hypocrites as if you had some one in your circles who was like Anna !

You would defiantly not be encouraging her to develop friendship with your partner/husbands in that way.

Such Bullshit goes on here,
Its easy to judgemental of Op Concerns !
But if it was you in that situation it be would different in real life happening to you or your close friends/family member.! 😕

NameChanged294749 · 04/02/2021 14:23

I know you're concerned with Anna's reputation more than Tom's marriage, but Tom's intentions towards Anna and what he has/hasn't said to her do matter in that Anna is likely to come across worse if she is simply taking it upon herself to 'go for him' with no real prompting from him. That wouldn't be kind or empathetic or friendly, and would make her seem quite self-centred/interfering. Yes, it's 2021 and Anna can do as she likes and technically owes nothing to Tom's wife, but other people don't have to like her decisions and in practice that kind of cut-throat 'me, myself and I' attitude can put people off, whether or not Tom actually responds to her advances. And what if perhaps Tom really thinks Anna is a friend and that he can trust her as someone to open up to? This may not be realistic if Anna's real motive is to become his girlfriend, and not to give him any sort of advice that might help his marriage. This could make Anna seem manipulative.

If, on the other hand, Tom has been encouraging Anna romantically, then Anna's feelings/actions/hopes are a bit more understandable, and while I personally think it wrong for Anna not to back off and wait for an official split before making a move, the main buck would stop at Tom's door in this scenario and it's up to him how he manages things.

Overall, Tom comes across as a non-entity in these posts, which is surprising as it's his marriage that everyone is talking about and which is potentially at stake (in Anna's mind anyway), and it is him that Anna has future hopes for. I wonder how he'd react to knowing what is going through the gossip mill about the disintegration of his marriage and his new future with Anna! I'm assuming he gets a say in all this eventually?!

thosetalesofunexpected · 04/02/2021 14:27

Sorry @IsIgnoranceBliss
My latest message was directed at some other posters not you.DaffodilCakeWine

NameChanged294749 · 04/02/2021 14:29

Ps. IRL, just stay out of it. But thanks for distracting me from the reality of another Thursday afternoon in lockdown BrewCake

something2say · 04/02/2021 14:35

I think...
You were friendly with Anna but her conduct causes you to qs that.
Her issues, if what's said is true, is on the table.
You and others can see them.

You're at a cross roads. Do you build a closer relationship with a lady with boundary issues whom you're not sure you like?
Do you act like a friend and tell her so that she can change course?
Or do you think, hey she's a big girl and she's not likely to appreciate my advice here..?

My thinking is that it's best not to make friends with people I dont respect. It comes back to bite me.

I'd also note, in my experience now, that big mouthed people ie Barbara, have big mouths about me too.

And I'd then look at how big my own mouth is and what talking I've been doing.

This one is headed for a fall. Stay away. And think, what will you do if Anna calls you in a crisis? Will you be her friend or remember that you weren't sure?

Yet again its about boundaries in relationships and skills in managing times when you bump into people. Friendly but not friends is my conclusion, time and time again.

AlternativePerspective · 04/02/2021 14:35

If a man was regularly coming on to women in a friendship group would people be saying that the women were just as responsible? No I suspect they would say he was a creep, and would distrust him accordingly.

People are naive if they think that there aren’t women who purposefully go after married men. There most definitely are, and even though those men might not reciprocate, I don’t believe anyone would be entirely happy if a woman was coming on to their husbands, hence why there are posts on here which state that the woman was excluded from their social life after they did so, even though the DH was not interested.

OP, while I wouldn’t tell Anna what people think of her, if she brings up the fact that she’s having cosy chats with Tom, or anyone else, in the future, I would very firmly say to her that she is out of line getting too close to these men. That even if Tom is in an unhappy marriage it is none of her business, is between Tom and his wife, and that if she ends up sleeping with him she will earn the reputation of an OW and a home wrecker, and is that really how she wants to be seen?

So in essence, I would bide my time until she said something.

FinalSongbird · 04/02/2021 14:35

Be kind. She sounds lonely.

AlternativePerspective · 04/02/2021 14:40

Be kind. She sounds lonely. bollocks. She’s actively encouraging a married man. Even if he is reciprocating this attention (and we know nothing about him,) if the relationship between him and his wife breaks down she will be equally complicit.

The sheer double standards on here are astounding.

IsIgnoranceBliss · 04/02/2021 14:41

@NameChanged294749

I know you're concerned with Anna's reputation more than Tom's marriage, but Tom's intentions towards Anna and what he has/hasn't said to her do matter in that Anna is likely to come across worse if she is simply taking it upon herself to 'go for him' with no real prompting from him. That wouldn't be kind or empathetic or friendly, and would make her seem quite self-centred/interfering. Yes, it's 2021 and Anna can do as she likes and technically owes nothing to Tom's wife, but other people don't have to like her decisions and in practice that kind of cut-throat 'me, myself and I' attitude can put people off, whether or not Tom actually responds to her advances. And what if perhaps Tom really thinks Anna is a friend and that he can trust her as someone to open up to? This may not be realistic if Anna's real motive is to become his girlfriend, and not to give him any sort of advice that might help his marriage. This could make Anna seem manipulative.

If, on the other hand, Tom has been encouraging Anna romantically, then Anna's feelings/actions/hopes are a bit more understandable, and while I personally think it wrong for Anna not to back off and wait for an official split before making a move, the main buck would stop at Tom's door in this scenario and it's up to him how he manages things.

Overall, Tom comes across as a non-entity in these posts, which is surprising as it's his marriage that everyone is talking about and which is potentially at stake (in Anna's mind anyway), and it is him that Anna has future hopes for. I wonder how he'd react to knowing what is going through the gossip mill about the disintegration of his marriage and his new future with Anna! I'm assuming he gets a say in all this eventually?!

After previous comments about not gossiping I’m not sure if talking about Tom’s intentions are appropriate, but as this is an anonymous thread it should be OK, I think? Anna has said that Tom sees her as a friend close enough to confide in and he does not know that she has feelings for him. I do not know if she is telling the truth and I do not know how Tom feels about it.
OP posts:
LaSorciere · 04/02/2021 14:42

@Bluntness100 I've noticed that you're very goady and always spoiling for an argument on many threads over the last few months. Under normal circumstances, I'd suggest you get out more.

Coffeeandaride · 04/02/2021 14:44

I don't think you are the right person to bring this up with her. However if she was to ask, I think it would be kind to suggest she should avoid men who are married/committed (whatever their happiness level) and that if people knew she wasn't bothered about this then they would judge her as less trustworthy.

Chiccie · 04/02/2021 14:46

I’ve got a friend similar age who is all over married men. She’s slept with several. She’s currently pursuing another. She has no morals and is highly selfish. She once told me the wife wasn’t “her problem because she doesn’t know her”. I’ve cooled the friendship because I can’t stand her behaviour. If it was me, tell Anna. Why not! It might actually give her a kick up the bum to sort her shit out and grow up. She’s making a fool of herself

IsIgnoranceBliss · 04/02/2021 14:47

@something2say

I think... You were friendly with Anna but her conduct causes you to qs that. Her issues, if what's said is true, is on the table. You and others can see them.

You're at a cross roads. Do you build a closer relationship with a lady with boundary issues whom you're not sure you like?
Do you act like a friend and tell her so that she can change course?
Or do you think, hey she's a big girl and she's not likely to appreciate my advice here..?

My thinking is that it's best not to make friends with people I dont respect. It comes back to bite me.

I'd also note, in my experience now, that big mouthed people ie Barbara, have big mouths about me too.

And I'd then look at how big my own mouth is and what talking I've been doing.

This one is headed for a fall. Stay away. And think, what will you do if Anna calls you in a crisis? Will you be her friend or remember that you weren't sure?

Yet again its about boundaries in relationships and skills in managing times when you bump into people. Friendly but not friends is my conclusion, time and time again.

You are correct - I am questioning how friendly I should be with Anna. I am trying to separate her behaviour - that I do not like - from her, if you see what I mean. I want to stop her from getting hurt - but I feel I would also want the same for people I wasn’t friendly with.

I appreciate your insight. I wish friendships were easier!

OP posts:
MsTSwift · 04/02/2021 14:48

I aways thought this was a misogynistic myth until I saw the friend of a friend make a play for another friends husband at a small social event. God it was cringeworthy lots of hair tossing and eye lash fluttering and hanging off his every word whilst being normal to everyone else. Utterly mortifying.

JingsMahBucket · 04/02/2021 15:01

@AlternativePerspective

Be kind. She sounds lonely. bollocks. She’s actively encouraging a married man. Even if he is reciprocating this attention (and we know nothing about him,) if the relationship between him and his wife breaks down she will be equally complicit.

The sheer double standards on here are astounding.

We don't know if she's actively encouraging a married man or not?? Confused We don't know enough from the OP to assume that. This is what I meant earlier about married women circling the wagons.

@IsIgnoranceBliss if I were you, I'd also approach telling her this from your own experience of being autistic and not getting social cues. Try mentioning that she may be missing some cues from people in terms of boundaries. For all we know, she may just be lonely like @FinalSongbird mentioned.

skeenskeenjellybean · 04/02/2021 15:03

@Supersimkin2

Has anything good come out of second-hand gossip, ever?
This ^^. Shit happens anyway and the gossiping just makes it so much worse.
something2say · 04/02/2021 15:04

You cannot separate her behaviour from her tho.
Her doing her behaviour means she herself poses the risk.

That's really interesting about you and I can relate to it. I used to excuse people's behaviour, men mostly, and then wonder why I was then a victim of that very behaviour further down the line.

gaijinetal · 04/02/2021 15:13

@Bluntness100

And don’t bother replying to luntness. She’s known to be goady at times with wild suppositions*

Says the poster known to personally attack posters,,

Two can play that game. 😂

Your username is memorable for stuff like this; can't say jing whatever's is.
gaijinetal · 04/02/2021 15:22

I would tell her as tactfully as possible that until Tom is officially separated, it's all hot air.

That others in his social/volunteer circle believe him to be happy/settled and that it's very very easy for a single woman to be blamed for everything when men act inappropriately.

Tell her you don't want to see her disappointed, hurt or gossiped about.

Quite hard to fit into a normal.conversation, but if the topic of him comes up; I'd say "if he very cautious about him ..
Etc".

You could even bring in a fictitious situation in which you saw this play out before with another woman; guy never left his wife, woman was labelled bunny booked and gossiped about, it affected her work/business. Just make someone up.

If she doesn't consider a warning, what kids can you do. She's 40s not 20s or even 30s

gaijinetal · 04/02/2021 15:23

So many types, apology

gaijinetal · 04/02/2021 15:23

Typos lol

NameChanged294749 · 04/02/2021 15:27

Tom sees her as a friend close enough to confide in and he does not know that she has feelings for him

Anna doesn't seem to have much to go on here, though it depends what Tom is confiding. If he has told Anna his marriage is over then what she is doing / hoping is more understandable if a little premature, not to mention naive as plenty cheaters spin this line to bits on the side as this forum attests... If Tom has confided in her looking for help with his marriage then this is a different situation entirely and Anna needs to give him space/not offer relationship advice given that she is not an impartial friend but someone with an agenda and secret feelings that Tom doesn't know about. It sounds like he has given her an inch and she has run a mile, potentially in entirely the wrong direction.

I can see why you're concerned for her, but would be wary about getting involved. It all sounds like a recipe for disaster in one way or another, and I wouldn't want anything to do with it. Being honest about your opinions on respecting marriage/privacy would be fine, I think, as you can talk about those generally without engaging in gossip about Tom/his wife/their relationship/Anna's behavior. You can then say the same thing to both Anna and Barbara, without going between them. Anna can pay heed to the values you demonstrate uf she wants to, and then you don't have to be harsh about telling her what people think of her or causing more drama by revealing the bunny boiler comment. But like others have said I would not engage in anymore gossiping about this with Anna or anyone else. It's only feeding the situation, which may or may not be utter fantasy.

ColdInTheUtility · 04/02/2021 15:30

I thought that was clear from the first post, but I recognise that it is not clear to every reader.

It was perfectly clear what perspective you were asking from. It's just that there are plenty of people on here who will be deliberately obtuse if you are seen to be being critical of a woman where cheating men are concerned.

In the case of my 'Anna', I made many predictions as to how the situation would play out (based on my many years of mumsnet experience) and I was right about every single one of them.

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