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Should I tell her they call her the Bunny Boiler?

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IsIgnoranceBliss · 04/02/2021 10:29

Long story, short - should I tell a friend that others don’t trust her and are calling her a “bunny boiler” because of her behaviour around married men? Or should I keep out of her business?

I’ve name changed for this, in case the people concerned recognise themselves, even though their names and some details have been changed.

There is a woman, Anna, that I used to work with until about a year ago. We were work friends and have kept in contact throughout the lockdown, with weekly phone catch-ups - largely for company during the lockdown, not because we are especially close although I enjoy her company. Anna is early-forties, long-term single but want to meet someone and ideally have a child. She has shared stories with me about her online dating exploits and about various men she has been keen on. She is very keen on a man called Tom, who she said is in an unhappy marriage, but she thinks he will be leaving his wife and has hopes for a relationship with him. I told her that I believe she should wait until he is formally separated before trying to start anything, but it is clear that she has very strong feelings for him and she is trying to get closer to him, which I don’t approve of.

I had a catch-up with another friend, Barbara, who happens to know Anna though a volunteering activity (which is allowed to continue through the pandemic). I mentioned that I was having regular calls with Anna, and Barbara referred to her as “the bunny boiler”. From Barbara’s point of view (and apparently of some of the other women in the group), Anna has had intense obsessions about a few married men in the group, has a tendency to play the “damsel in distress” with men to get their attention and can be too touchy freely with some of them (less so since social distancing came in). To be honest, I have seen Anna behave in a similar way when we worked together and can see how it might look for a single woman to behave the way she does with men - but can also see that it could be viewed as Anna just being friendly. Barbara says that some of the wives exclude Anna from some activities (pre-Covid) as her behaviour makes them uncomfortable and they think she is desperate for a man and seems to even prefer men who are already in relationships.

Tom is in the same volunteer group and Barbara said Anna was embarrassing herself and Tom with her behaviour around him. This included regularly asking Tom out for drinks (outside of lockdown) without his wife, with the excuse of a shared interest in football, confiding in him about her relationship issues, and messaging him a lot. Anna has told me she has done this and doesn’t see a problem with it because they are friends. Barbara believes that Tom is happily married and Anna is just obsessed with him.

Barbara also said that Anna’s behaviour around Tom, the other men she has been infatuated with and generally the men in the group, mean that she is not trusted. Anna is now self-employed in a role where trust is important (something like counselling) so not being seen as trustworthy could affect Anna professionally.

Do I say anything to Anna? It isn’t my business and also I don’t want to hurt her, but I am worried that her personal and professional reputation will be damaged if she’s not careful and feel I should she should know.

Sorry that was long.

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Souther · 04/02/2021 15:34

Really confusing op.
I thought a bunny boiler was something completely different?

Ikora · 04/02/2021 15:36

As much as it’s down to married men and women to not go there if anyone offers them sex or declares love, do we want to be friends with people who pursue married men or women or people in long term relationships? I had a very good friend. We grew up together and had a long shared history. She had a terrible marriage and divorced at 32, she had two sons.

She changed in to someone I just didn’t know anymore and had affairs with two married men. She did not tell me till she was on affair two. I guess she was desperately lonely. She wanted validation that what she was doing was ok, I would not give it. We had an argument when she insisted her lover was really nice. She had just told me how he was hiding money from his wife. Our friendship ended, it was my choice.

Vallmo47 · 04/02/2021 15:38

I’m a bit torn on this to be honest, OP. I do appreciate that you’ve been given good advice on this thread, but if this was a very close friend of mine I would actually tell her. I don’t want people talking shit about my friend and I don’t want my friend to be wasting her time being kind to people who are mean about her.
I liked the idea of the poster who suggested only telling her if she’s noticed for herself that she gets treated differently, because that insinuates she’s not aware of her behaviour causing any problems.

IM0GEN · 04/02/2021 15:42

I agree it was clear. There are some posters with an agenda here and I’m not sure that’s helping you.

I think that Tom is not behaving properly here. If his marriage is indeed on the rocks then he should NOT be confiding in a single female friend. This is something that should be discussed with his wife, his family members, male friends or couples together or a with a counsellor / therapist / priest etc.

Life has taught me to be very wary of the motives of unhappily married who only confide in women. I find such confidences usually involve many stories about how bad their wife is and how great they are.

I think @gaijinetal gives good advice, if you do plan to mention it to Anna .

IM0GEN · 04/02/2021 15:43

unhappily married men

SpongeBobJudgeyPants · 04/02/2021 15:52

@Souther

Really confusing op. I thought a bunny boiler was something completely different?
This. Anna may not be behaving very well, and she may be very lonely. We don't know. But a bunny boiler is a whole new level, and whoever used that expression for Anna is at least engaging in some hyperbole, which isn't very nice.
TillyTopper · 04/02/2021 15:54

I wouldn't tell her - probably over time she'll realise and back off. I'd not tell her but perhaps encourage her to do other things and meet others (lockdown etc permitting).

changingmine · 04/02/2021 15:57

To be honest you come across very poorly, very gossipy and judgemental. No friend at all.

curiouslypacific · 04/02/2021 16:07

I would firstly consider whether Anna is actually a good friend (ignoring her dodgy boundaries around married men). Is she kind to you and does she show an interest in your life, or is she the sort where her romantic dramas are always the main topic of conversation and you barely get a look in?

If it's the latter I'd reconsider the friendship and distance yourself from her - people like this rarely change and the endless dramas are just exhausting. If she's an otherwise lovely person, set some boundaries and tell her you don't want to talk about Tom as he's married and you find it really off-putting that she's seeing him as a romantic prospect. If she's nice, but lonely, that might be enough to get her to give her head a wobble.

Ultimately though I really don't think there's any point telling her what other people are saying - she's 40, there's no way she doesn't know chasing after married men is wrong and likely to alienate people. If she was a naive 20yr old then I could see she might be being manipulated by Tom and some direction might help, but that really doesn't seem like the case here.

Generally people don't take negative feedback well - unless you're super close, or believe she's genuinely clueless about how she's coming across (ie if she came across as super flirty but wasn't in the slightest bit interested), this is a hornet nest you'd be best off not kicking.

ginandwineandbaileys · 04/02/2021 16:07

@Monty27

Omg I'm a single woman and the carry on of the bitching by married women around me and about me is pathetic. There's not one of their partners I'd touch with a barge pole so it's probably the men provoking the women's paranoia and insecurities. Or maybe the women just don't like me just for no reason 😉
Agreed, I've had the same experience. It's usually the men causing the issue, and I'm cornered into being friendly. I don't even make eye contact with them anymore
dworky · 04/02/2021 16:14

No, I'd be confronting them for their misogyny.

nitsandwormsdodger · 04/02/2021 16:16

If she ever asks for advice or mentions that she is not getting on with people then that is your chance to fill her in and be a good friend , generally people don't take on board unsolicited advice

Onthedunes · 04/02/2021 16:20

If they are on their way to having an affair it will make not a jot of difference if you speak to Anna. Everyone has known an Anna and it's not just because she is single, most of the time it's why she is single.

You cannot teach morals.
Next times she pipes up about Tom, change the subject, I wouldn't even advise her that her behavior is disrespectful.
What's the point, distance youself from her, stop being a sounding board for her mentionitis and try not to get involved with Barbara's slagging.

In fact sit in the corner with a cardboard box on your head and watch the fallout when homes crumble and hearts break which they will because I actually trust your judgement that Anna is a predatory selfish cow.

Let's hope Tom doesn't crumble. [Sceptical]

Anna will dig her own grave, you don't need to tell her how deep it will be.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 04/02/2021 16:30

[quote JingsMahBucket]@IsIgnoranceBliss

And yes, it has affected her professionally, as people have chosen not to use or recommend her services.

I disagree with the other posters. Based on what you said above, I would approach talking to Anna regarding privacy and keeping her mouth shut. Tell her that people are beginning to think she’s untrustworthy due to her penchant for telling other people’s business and that it’s being perceived as a way for her to falsely ingratiate herself with others. I’d directly advise her to put some mental and physical distance into her personal relationships because it’s starting to affect her business relationships.[/quote]
i agree that this should be your focus because it's hard to see the wood for the trees sometimes when you get caught up in something or a mindset - Anna needs to stop talking about other people's business. Completely stop it because it's potentially affecting her livelihood.

I agree with Jings about the married women circling. Only people lacking confidence in their relationships feel the need to do that, and it's their problem to resolve, nothing to do with Anna.

Anna could do with a friend right now it seems. If you're genuinely concerned for her and not enjoying being part of the drama (risk-free to yourself) then you know what to do and say and I'm sure Anna will respond.

thenewduchessofhastings · 04/02/2021 16:32

I know a "Anna".She's divorced but hasn't settled back down post divorce but would like to.I strongly suspect there might be a financial aspect to if as well.

unfortunately she is very flirtatious and touchy feely with the partners of her friends that has caused offence and some very awkward situations.

Your Anna might feel that a previously married man might be up for having another child quite quickly as oppose to a single man.I can imagine that that biological clock is a driving force here but it must be difficult for her when most women around her are coupled up and she's not which I imagine feels pretty lonely and abit crappy.

"Tom" might just be stringing her along with the usual cliches and might just be hopeful for some extra martial fun.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 04/02/2021 16:38

There isn't a woman gorgeous/sexy/mystical/magical enough to tempt away a partnered person... not a one.

It is on the partnered person to rebuff advances, every.single.time.

It doesn't surprise me that pitchforks are coming out for Anna, instead of the duplicitous, blabber-mouth Tom - nor that there are some quite spiteful women (men not mentioned) in the group giving it all a jolly big stir. Fright, I imagine.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 04/02/2021 16:39

Missed a bit:
There isn't a woman gorgeous/sexy/mystical/magical enough to tempt away a partnered person who isn't game... not a one.

ktp100 · 04/02/2021 16:39

Your friend sounds desperate, deluded & a bit stalky but at the end of the day, not your circus, not your monkeys!

AnnabelleMarx · 04/02/2021 21:36

Bunny boiler’s an expression only ever used by people with a strong streak of misogyny, in my experience.

Don’t think Anna’s the worst person in this crowd.

GreenlandTheMovie · 04/02/2021 21:40

What I'm hearing is that Tom has given Anna enough encouragement and his telephone number and messages her regularly. He then gets out of any blame for this by gossiping and laughing about her.

The rest of you are rather smug married women who are suspicious of a single woman.

My mother was widowed, and she said former friends would literally clutch their husbands arms whenever they saw her and stopped inviting her to things, even though she was upset and needed friends, straight after the funeral.

Your volunteering group sounds like a bunch of gossips and Tom is an arse and leading Anna on.

IsIgnoranceBliss · 04/02/2021 23:11

@GreenlandTheMovie

What I'm hearing is that Tom has given Anna enough encouragement and his telephone number and messages her regularly. He then gets out of any blame for this by gossiping and laughing about her.

The rest of you are rather smug married women who are suspicious of a single woman.

My mother was widowed, and she said former friends would literally clutch their husbands arms whenever they saw her and stopped inviting her to things, even though she was upset and needed friends, straight after the funeral.

Your volunteering group sounds like a bunch of gossips and Tom is an arse and leading Anna on.

I’m replying to this because I hate to see errors (a trait of my autism)

Anna has Tom’s number because they are in the same WhatsApp group - he didn’t give her his number. But yes, he has been responding to her messages, so Anna says. I agree with you that he could be seen as leading her on.

I am not aware of Tom gossiping about Anna or laughing at her - I don’t know where you got that from.

It’s not my volunteering group, it’s Anna and Barbara’s. I just happen to know both of them. Although I guess you might be using “your” as “the one you referred to in your OP”.

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IsIgnoranceBliss · 04/02/2021 23:15

Lying

Anna could do with a friend right now it seems. If you're genuinely concerned for her and not enjoying being part of the drama (risk-free to yourself) then you know what to do and say and I'm sure Anna will respond.

I am genuinely concerned for her. I’m really not enjoying being part of the drama - I find that aspect of friendships very difficult.

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IsIgnoranceBliss · 04/02/2021 23:26

@curiouslypacific

I would firstly consider whether Anna is actually a good friend (ignoring her dodgy boundaries around married men). Is she kind to you and does she show an interest in your life, or is she the sort where her romantic dramas are always the main topic of conversation and you barely get a look in?

If it's the latter I'd reconsider the friendship and distance yourself from her - people like this rarely change and the endless dramas are just exhausting. If she's an otherwise lovely person, set some boundaries and tell her you don't want to talk about Tom as he's married and you find it really off-putting that she's seeing him as a romantic prospect. If she's nice, but lonely, that might be enough to get her to give her head a wobble.

Ultimately though I really don't think there's any point telling her what other people are saying - she's 40, there's no way she doesn't know chasing after married men is wrong and likely to alienate people. If she was a naive 20yr old then I could see she might be being manipulated by Tom and some direction might help, but that really doesn't seem like the case here.

Generally people don't take negative feedback well - unless you're super close, or believe she's genuinely clueless about how she's coming across (ie if she came across as super flirty but wasn't in the slightest bit interested), this is a hornet nest you'd be best off not kicking.

Thank you - your post has given me food for thought. Anna mostly talks about herself and her search for a relationship. She doesn’t ask much about my life. Yes - her lack of boundaries around married men makes me uncomfortable. I am reconsidering our friendship, but I know she is lonely during the lockdown so don’t want cut her off immediately. I will shut down any further mentions of Tom (or other married men she’s shown an interest in).
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IsIgnoranceBliss · 04/02/2021 23:43

@changingmine

To be honest you come across very poorly, very gossipy and judgemental. No friend at all.
Thank you for your comment (genuinely) - I find it useful to told when I am coming across badly as people don’t usually tell you in real life. Even if people have read things into my actions that aren’t there. My autism makes me see things in a certain way - particularly around breaking rules or social conventions - which others see differently.

Most of the posts on here have shown me that Anna would not want to be told, even if I would have wanted to know.

A previous poster mentioned standing back and watching the fall-out of broken hearts and homes because of Anna’s behaviour, and I understand that from the point of view that they think someone saying something wouldn’t make a difference. But I am struggling with the thought that people are watching others mess up their lives and not wanting to try and prevent it.

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IsIgnoranceBliss · 04/02/2021 23:49

@Souther

Really confusing op. I thought a bunny boiler was something completely different?
Apologies for any confusion - my understanding is that nowadays the phrase is used to describe a person who becomes needy and obsessive about the object of their affections. Not that they actually cook a pet as done in the film Fatal Attraction. Or they only do it to someone they’ve already had a relationship with.

As a previous poster mentioned, it is largely applied to women which is unfair. In my experience men are usually called stalkers if they behave that way.

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