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He won’t propose because he’s saving for a house

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Waitingfornothing · 31/01/2021 13:53

I’ve been with my DP for 3 years. We are both 34. We’ve always said, from the start, we want to get married, buy a house and have children and I’ve always stipulated I want to be married before we have children and I’m aware of how being 34 I’m running out of time.

Between us we’ve got a substantial amount saved for a deposit, this is mostly from me as I had more savings from before we were together. We are pretty much ready to buy just waiting for a house to come up that we like.

Back in July 2020 he asked me what sort of engagement rings I liked and what was my size. I sent him several links, and got my finger measured. DP is not a huge planner, so I thought that a proposal must be coming very soon. Nothing happened, we went on holiday in August and I half expected a proposal and nothing. I’d often see other rings I liked and show these to him to. He’d say “oh lovely but let’s wait til we’ve bought a house as I can save more once we’ve got that secured”. I have sent him links to more rings which are £200-300, have offered that I pay half of my ring myself, but he says no he wants to do it ‘properly’ and there he’d always feel inadequate if I paid half. I started wondering if whether he doesn’t want to get married at all, so in December I said shall we just look at booking the registry office for 2021 sometime, we actually had the website open looking at potential dates - to which he said no, he wants to propose to me properly in a romantic way and that he only asked for ring ideas last summer so he had an idea of what I liked for ‘when it was time in the future’.

I have brought this all up again today, about how I am essentially waiting for him to decide it is the ‘right time’ and how it could still take months for us to move into a house even if we made an offer today. He feels bad that I took the looking at rings last year as a sign it was happening soon, but is adamant he wants to put all of his spare cash into the house fund for now. Part of me feels this is sensible but part of me is worried he doesn’t actually want to marry me and that after we buy a house there’ll be a new item he needs to save for. He has been engaged before, I asked whether he had reservations because of this and he says absolutely not.

I’m torn between backing off and seeing what happens after we do buy a house (but I fear I’ll be in a mess if we then have to sell and break up because he still won’t seal the deal), and walking away now. I’m feeling hurt today by it all and DP has now gone out for a walk because he is upset that I feel this way Sad

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Clymene · 31/01/2021 19:32

@eaglejulesk

Stop taking about rings and start taking about marriage. If you want to be married, say so. It doesn't have to cost a lot of money.

This. I can't believe some women are still so old fashioned that they simply sit back waiting for a proposal and a ring. As a pp said, if you are talking about marriage you are already engaged. Talk to him, and if he isn't willing to actually commit then you have some serious thinking to do.

She has talked about marriage. She tried to find a date this year and he said no.

The only person making this about a ring and a romantic proposal is him.

Flatcokeisnojoke · 31/01/2021 19:36

You may be able to push him into “engagement” (he clearly does not want to, or else he would have already proposed)

But it seems clear that for whatever reason, he does not actually want to get married

You cannot change this , you cannot make him want to marry

But you can decide if you accept it or not

Tier10 · 31/01/2021 19:38

I’ve read so many post on Mumsnet from women with a few DC waiting for their DP to find the perfect moment to perfectly propose with the perfect ring. It’s all perfect bullshite.

BlueThistles · 31/01/2021 19:48

@Tier10

I’ve read so many post on Mumsnet from women with a few DC waiting for their DP to find the perfect moment to perfectly propose with the perfect ring. It’s all perfect bullshite.

yip

BlueThistles · 31/01/2021 19:48

@Waitingfornothing

Thank you everyone.

I hadn’t actually considered the possibility of us marrying, buying a house and then him getting access to half of my equity should we then divorce. It’d be ironic if after all this it’s actually in my better interests to not be married at all!

correct 🌺

AgentJohnson · 31/01/2021 19:56

He’s making excuses and those goal posts will always be on the move. At 34 you simply do not have the time for his bullshit. Tell him you will be getting married and you will be having children and his option of being a part of that, has run out.

Take your power back, right now you’re letting him call the shots. Don’t be one of those women who lets a man run out their biological clock.

lucyposting · 31/01/2021 20:01

Emerald99 I am not sure I agree with

Children are much more of a commitment than marriage

Children can be a huge commitment for the mother and/or the father... or not. A marriage can be a huge commitment for a mother and/or the rather... or not.

It depends whether people choose to commit or not... and the OP's DP may well not be committed to her.

There are too many women who have found out the hard way that not being married can be even more devastating to their lives when the relationship fails.

confused88998 · 31/01/2021 20:02

I'm going to go against the grain here and say that perhaps you putting this amount of pressure on him is what is actually making him stall, and not because he's after your money like some pp have suggested.

I was with my partner for 5 years before he proposed, living in a house we'd owned together for several years at that point. A large portion of men like proposing to be when it's least expected and not to feel like their being forced into something.

My partner knew I wanted to get engaged but I knew that if I constantly hounded him about it then it wouldn't have happened. It came when I least expected and it was lovely. Try and see this from a different perspective then one of him trying to do the dirty on you. He is your partner after all, maybe have a bit of faith in the fact the intention is clearly there.

Unless you truly believe he would be capable of stringing you along and being mean enough to mention engagement rings when he had no intentions of ever proposing?

EstrellaPequena · 31/01/2021 20:24

@confused88998

I'm going to go against the grain here and say that perhaps you putting this amount of pressure on him is what is actually making him stall, and not because he's after your money like some pp have suggested.

I was with my partner for 5 years before he proposed, living in a house we'd owned together for several years at that point. A large portion of men like proposing to be when it's least expected and not to feel like their being forced into something.

My partner knew I wanted to get engaged but I knew that if I constantly hounded him about it then it wouldn't have happened. It came when I least expected and it was lovely. Try and see this from a different perspective then one of him trying to do the dirty on you. He is your partner after all, maybe have a bit of faith in the fact the intention is clearly there.

Unless you truly believe he would be capable of stringing you along and being mean enough to mention engagement rings when he had no intentions of ever proposing?

She's 34. She wants a family. Do you think she's got time to hang about "seeing from a different perspective" and "having faith"? Sod that for a game of soldiers...
CarolineForbes · 31/01/2021 20:32

I agree with pestrella - as I mentioned upthread I’ve been in OPs shoes and I’ve hung on til the 5 year mark and now he’s finally admitted he has no intention of proposing this morning. Said he ‘might’ marry and have kids in many years time. Total dick move as whilst he is perfectly able to decide he’s ready for kids in a decade I don’t have that luxury and neither does OP.

Mix56 · 31/01/2021 20:35

So make sure you remove your money from any joint account, you can let him know if you end up buying a house that your % will be in the contact. As he isn't showing any commitment, so as its just a business transaction, you will be treating it as s business woman.
Yes it takes away the romantic "share & share alike" fable, but then, he is slowly destroying the romance isn't he?

toocold54 · 31/01/2021 20:36

He’s making excuses and those goal posts will always be on the move.

Yes this!
Once you buy a house it’ll be he’s skint so needs to save up for the perfect ring. Then you get the ring and it’ll be saving years for the perfect wedding.

I would never usually condone “forcing”someone to marry you or keeping on at them over it but I feel like this will never happen so it is better you know now than him keep you hanging on for years.

ItsNotAlrightButItsOkay · 31/01/2021 20:38

I know you are 34 but stop rushing everything. Buy a house first and then have a baby. Get married later on.
If you plan on spending the rest of your life together then marriage can wait. I understand the baby situation with your age. You don't have to do things traditionally

BlueThistles · 31/01/2021 21:22

@ItsNotAlrightButItsOkay

I know you are 34 but stop rushing everything. Buy a house first and then have a baby. Get married later on. If you plan on spending the rest of your life together then marriage can wait. I understand the baby situation with your age. You don't have to do things traditionally

seriously 🤔

did you read the Thread at all ?

Dery · 31/01/2021 21:28

“What I fear will happen is that you will waste your fertile years on this relationship and then eventually separate. He will prob go on to find a new partner and have her pregnant in months. You may be childless. I don't say that to scare you and I can imagine it's incredibly difficult. I had children alone. I am now almost 50 and have at least four similar aged friends who waited and waited and it didn't happen for them. You need to take control.”

This with bells on. I also know women who wasted their fertile years on a non-committal partner, missed the chance to have children and were left for a younger woman with whom children were then had. Don’t let it be you, OP.

Sittingonabench · 31/01/2021 21:48

This thread has got me thinking (as there seems to be a few in this boat) have any of you considered (if you have the means to do so) freezing some of your eggs? Certainly not as a plan A but as a contingency plan?

Kettlingur · 31/01/2021 21:50

@Dery

“What I fear will happen is that you will waste your fertile years on this relationship and then eventually separate. He will prob go on to find a new partner and have her pregnant in months. You may be childless. I don't say that to scare you and I can imagine it's incredibly difficult. I had children alone. I am now almost 50 and have at least four similar aged friends who waited and waited and it didn't happen for them. You need to take control.”

This with bells on. I also know women who wasted their fertile years on a non-committal partner, missed the chance to have children and were left for a younger woman with whom children were then had. Don’t let it be you, OP.

I've also seen this, so many times. She waits and waits and waits, it's never the right time for him, and then she's 44 and he skips away with Ms. Under 30 and marries her and has a kid within a year.
Kettlingur · 31/01/2021 21:54

@Sittingonabench

This thread has got me thinking (as there seems to be a few in this boat) have any of you considered (if you have the means to do so) freezing some of your eggs? Certainly not as a plan A but as a contingency plan?
The success rate of fertility treatments using frozen eggs is actually very bad.
Coffeeandcocopops · 31/01/2021 22:05

Ask him to marry you. You will then know.

harknesswitch · 31/01/2021 22:06

If he wanted to propose he would have.

If he wanted to get married to you, he'd have proposed.

It's not rocket science, if someone wants something they will make an effort to do it.

Me and my dh didn't have much money, so rather than an engagement ring, we had a quick registry office marriage and a nice meal. That was my dh idea. He wanted to marry as much as me so he found a way.

Don't waste your time on someone who's stringing you along. Buy the house in your own and find someone who wants the same as you

jigobsessed · 31/01/2021 23:16

There's a bit of a difference between 31 and 34 and you may now not want the same things wrt marriage and children than when you started going out. The ultimatum thing never really ends up with either partner happy when the marriage does go ahead when I've seen this before.

Also , in good relationships there is always give and take. So even if he doesn't want marriage, or he wants to propose rather than the 2 of you excitedly planning a wedding together (and it is exciting when you both want to) - if you love someone and care about their needs, then getting married would be a bit of give etc?

Successful marriage and partnerships involve dealing with life's visititudes along the way, give and take, being solutions focussed and good communication and often shared dreams / interests.

After 3 years in a relationship, you seem to have a different shared dreams, not much give or take - and you could make the argument this is on both sides?,lack of collaboration/ compromise on an issue you're not seeing eye to eye on - e.g."should we see a relationship counsellor to see how we move forward with this?" - do you think the 2 of you do have a good foundation for the stresses that family life can bring?

On the practical level, also in agreement with pp, if you're also the higher earner? as well as the main contributor to a house, it may actually against your best interests to buy a house together, get married and have kids. Ironically, the best route might be baby 1st (before fertility starts to drop at 35), buy house protecting your financial interests, if the 2 ( or 3 of you) make it work, then get married!

Good luck

traditionallife · 31/01/2021 23:52

I think I'm going to be playing devil's advocate here seen as most people have advised you to leave him.

I work in a financial sector job around debt and mortgages etc so maybe that's what's making me look at this practically.

He wants to have a larger amount of savings for the house first to reduce on going costs with mortgage payments etc. Sounds smart to me.

He genuinely might be taking the attitude of its no rush to get married because your together anyway? He might be thinking "well we both know it'll happen so lets get a solid footing first" in regards to getting the house first.

It makes sense to me the not wanting you to contribute and wanting to do it romantically. He might feel emasculated by you wanting to contribute. I know you were only trying to be helpful but i think a lot of men take pride in saving up for the ring and the proposal as its the story you'll tell forever and the ring you'll show off.

Hey maybe I'm a rose tinted glasses kinda gal but i see your point 100% but i also see his 100% too.

I think ultimately only you can know whether its him being practical and logical or stringing you along.

Porridgeoat · 01/02/2021 00:13

If you suspect you’ll be the main carer for children then marry to ensure fair security.

Miffyliffy · 01/02/2021 01:03

Don't wait. You'll be waiting forever.

He doesn't want to otherwise he would.

A $500 ring and a registry office wedding rejection scream he had no plans in the next few years.

You're falling for his stalling.

Find someone that wants and takes actions to show you

TrappedAndDepressed · 01/02/2021 01:20

18:40belle40
What age did you have your child? 42?