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Am I a horrible wife?

116 replies

Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 12:53

I would really like some outside perspective on a situation that I can’t really talk to anyone about in real life please.

My Husband is the high earner between us. He was made redundant from his job in the Summer last year, and came away with a fairly decent payment (enough to last us a good while in conjunction with my salary). However we have significant debts – around £20k in combined credit card debt, as well as 3 bank loans that are being steadily paid off (the debts are a hangover from a big house renovation, as well as my Husbands car purchase early last year).

During the second half of last year my Husband didn’t work, and didn’t look for work. He enjoyed himself; travelled when allowed (I didn’t go) and spend his days doing what he wanted. He has on and off talked about wanting to start a business involving retail (which I don’t think is a great idea) as well as other business ideas. Whenever I ask for details or specifics about any of these plans, he simply clams up and sulks as if I’m unreasonable for wanting the detail and not just wholeheartedly agreeing on a whim. He would dearly love to work for himself, and not have to be part of the rat race, corporate world etc, but I can’t help thinking we’re not in a financially stable enough place for this right now with the debts sitting there, and not being paid off apart from the minimum.

I didn’t begrudge him these few months at all, as he had been unhappy in work for a long time, and had worked really hard, so I figured he deserved a rest/break. We didn’t actually discuss this plan to not work for 6 months though, it just sort of transpired.
For context, I’m risk averse, and he isn’t. I take care of our joint finances, he doesn’t even ever look at the bank accounts.

We’re now at the point of having around 7/8 months worth of redundancy money left, plus about the same again in savings that we had prior to the redundancy.

He recently applied for and was interviewed for a suitable role and probably would have been offered, but the company have said they’re now putting the position on hold for 3 months initially due to lockdown etc.

To me it now seems madness to keep burning through the money, to allow him not to work. He is great at fixing things around the place, and dealing with practical stuff, but I’m working and still doing the majority of the cooking, shopping, laundry etc. He spends his days either doing practical things, or ‘tinkering’ in his ‘man cave’ or watching tv online in there. He even recently told someone that he is’ semi-retired’. This is simply not true, but I can’t help thinking that he almost believes it himself, or is living in a slight fantasy where this is possible. Whilst many people of his age do semi-retire (early 50’s), I would imagine that they do this with a solid bedrock of financial security etc. Not large debts and only a few months worth of income in the bank.

I recently suggested that he could get work doing something not related to his skills/profession etc, such as part-time delivery driver etc, just to bring in enough to cover the shortfall that we’re taking out of the savings every month, but he just walked off and sulked a bit. I sent him a couple of jobs I’d found yesterday that seemed suitable (ie well paid, matching his skill set/experience). He thanked me and told me this morning he was going to apply for them. He then said he was going to buy some items for his bike. Without thinking it through, I blurted ‘what about the job applications, isn’t that more important than your bike?’. He then immediately huffed off, muttering angrily and is now not talking to me and giving me the cold shoulder (which I know form experience will probably last at least all day today), although I think he is doing the applications.

I now feel awful and like I’m a horrible nagging wife. I think he sees me as un-supportive as I’m always cautious/unkeen when he talks about business ideas, but am now pushing him (albeit very gently) to apply for jobs. My fear is that we will just drift on and reach the point where the payment runs out, and will have to start using our small pool of previous/existing savings.

I dearly love my husband, and really do want him to be happy, but I also want us to have some financial security for the future. I feel sick everytime I think about the whole thing.

OP posts:
LaurieFairyCake · 22/01/2021 12:58

Do your savings cover the credit cards/loans? I ask because surely the interest gained by savings is less than the interest on debts Confused

Do you still have a mortgage ?

LaurieFairyCake · 22/01/2021 12:58

Are you ready to sell up/downsize and retire ?

Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 13:02

@LaurieFairyCake if we were to use ALL of our savings (including the previous pot) we could pay off the cred cards, and some of the bank debt.

Yes we still have a mortgage. I am only in my early 40's, and we're not thinking about downsizing and certianly are not in a financial position to think about retirement. I have an OK work pension, he has none.

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Bubbles1st · 22/01/2021 13:02

I think it's less about being a nagging wife and being concerned for your livelihood. I guess this is now the time to actually discuss a plan let him know that income from your salary let him know the outgoings let him know the shortfall put all your cards on the table and hopefully he can make a informed choice that going back to work sooner rather than later is best for all of you you certainly have done well to not be a good gym and allowing his time off many wouldn't even do that I'm sure.

As a previous Reply mentioned have you considered actually paying off some of your credit card debt or loans with the money that is outstanding as this could be a more affordable option than paying interest

RedskyBynight · 22/01/2021 13:03

I take your point about financial stability, but with 7/8 months left of redundancy money (before you even consider savings), I think you may be worrying prematurely.
When I got made redundant (with around a year's salary) I agreed with DH that I would take some time off, then look for an "ideal" job, then start looking for "any job" when it got to around 4 months of money left.

Have you had a conversation which goes along the lines of "so what's your plan for the next year?" rather than "why aren't you looking for a job?". I suspect I would hate you in DH's shoes, because it does sounds like you were nagging.

Bubbles1st · 22/01/2021 13:03

PS I do not I think you are being a horrible wife

4amWitchingHour · 22/01/2021 13:04

Nagging is such a horrible concept IMO. You're not nagging, you are rightly giving your workshy husband a nudge to start contributing to household finances again. If anything, you're being too timid. He's taking advantage of your good nature to piss away the time enjoying himself.

I'm also amazed you haven't paid off the debt with the redundancy money, although appreciate you want the safety net until he gets a job.

He needs to get a fucking job. Hold him to account, he's leaving you with way too much of a burden.

RinkyD · 22/01/2021 13:05

No you are not awful.

rookiemere · 22/01/2021 13:08

I think you need to tell him, that as the situation has been going on for a while he needs to pick up the shopping, cooking and cleaning. That should encourage him to get a job.

MorbidPodcastFan · 22/01/2021 13:10

He should be looking to save his redundancy money as much as possible to put towards his new business idea.
This also involves him getting a job to finance himself in the mean time, until his new business takes off and becomes viable enough to jack in the corporate job.

You arent being unreasonable at all, he is being lazy. He isnt working on anything and hasnt for months, bar 1 interview. That isnt good enough.

AnnaMagnani · 22/01/2021 13:11

No, he needs to stop fucking about.

I've been where your DH is - had a few months to lick my wounds and then I figured out how I was going to get the show back on the road.

Yes, I did have the fantasy of running a cake stall/retraining in easier job related to my field which I think is the female equivalent of his 'running own retail business but after about 2 weeks serious thought those were easily dumped as for people in books only.

At some point the mortgage needed paying, and the lovely payoff was going to be spent. and I was actually 30 years off retirement age and not a billionaire so reality bites.

He needs a job, a pension and to be debt free. It's dull but it's also being an adult.

blue30 · 22/01/2021 13:12

You’ve been hands off for a few months while he does his thing but now it’s time for him to get his arse in gear.

Ohalrightthen · 22/01/2021 13:13

50s, high earner, no pension - how the fuck has that happened!?

Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 13:18

@Ohalrightthen He did have a workplace pension at his last job, but I meant not currently paying in to one. I know he hadn't been in it for many years though. Prior to us being together and having joint finances, I think he basically spent everything he earned, living a fun, bachelor-style life (nice 'things', travel, extravagencies I guess).

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Sunshineandflipflops · 22/01/2021 13:20

I don't understand how you can have quite a large amount of debt yet have savings? Surely you would use your savings to pay off your debt? Maybe it's just me but I hate having debt having over me, especially if I don't have to. You would then be better off per month I assume so your dh could get more of a part-time/less stressful job?

midlifecrash · 22/01/2021 13:22

No you are not.

Does he do any of the financial admin? I ask because I have encountered men professionally, who know the headline amount of their budget, and then somehow contrive to imagine that that is the amount they have, all the while they are going on spending it. They then kick off at the project manager or PA who has to point out that there isn't enough left for some plan that they have. It's worrying if he is talking about being semi-retired. It's not fair if it's you that has to burst the bubble. Any way of getting him to look at the bills/ accounts and realise where he stands?

Hoppinggreen · 22/01/2021 13:24

You have debts, he needs to earn some money to bloody well pay them
It doesn’t matter if you are an awful wife (you aren’t) the simple fact is that people with debts can’t spend months fannying around deciding what to do with their lives, that’s a luxury debt free people with a good pension and substantial savings have, not him.

Twobecomingthreeplusthedog · 22/01/2021 13:26

YANBU, however from his point of view he’s clearly never had to worry about money. If you have dealt with it and you’ve had a comfortable life it’s very hard to go from that to nothing.

I would prepare all the information and say to him in black and white that if he doesn’t start working in the next 6 months then you have no choice but to put the house on the market as there will be zero left in the pot.

It’s very likely he has buried his head in the sand and thinks he has way more left in the pot than he does!

Iwonder08 · 22/01/2021 13:26

You are a horrible nagging wife. If my husband sent me links for jobs he found suitable and also chased me after like you did, I would leave. Especially given his is according to you is the main breadwinner in the family.
I totally understand your concerns with the family finance, but your methods of communication are appalling. He is your husband, not your employee, don't try to manage him.
It is entirely possible to have respectful conversations about finance, even if you have a different opinion.

Kit19 · 22/01/2021 13:29

You're not a horrible nagging wife at all

completely fine for him to have a few months breathing space but now he needs to get his arse in gear.

Keepingthingsinteresting · 22/01/2021 13:33

Ignore @Iwonder08, but rich criticising your communication style then writing a message like that.

I agree with you OP, he’s sticking his head in the sand- if he wants a serious conversation about a change in lifestyle then he should draw up a plan and raise it properly, not just assume you’re going to carry him.

yvanka · 22/01/2021 13:34

Why are you still doing all the house stuff? If he's not working, he can do the cooking, cleaning and everything else. You are facilitating this behaviour by making his life too comfortable.

Chambored · 22/01/2021 13:35

For starters, if he isn’t working why he isn’t he cooking, shopping, doing the laundry etc...?
Secondly, you are not a horrible wife for pointing out the obvious that he can’t sit on his arse indefinitely while you have debts. Plus if he hasn’t noticed the job market isn’t great, so there’s no guarantee that he will simply get a job when he decides he wants one.
Thirdly, why on earth hasn’t he got a pension if he’s in his 50s?

youvegottenminuteslynn · 22/01/2021 13:36

He is great at fixing things around the place, and dealing with practical stuff, but I’m working and still doing the majority of the cooking, shopping, laundry etc.

Why? Seriously, why are you doing this?!

Chambored · 22/01/2021 13:37

Oh, and a new business venture (esp in retail) in the current economic climate is bonkers.