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Am I a horrible wife?

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Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 12:53

I would really like some outside perspective on a situation that I can’t really talk to anyone about in real life please.

My Husband is the high earner between us. He was made redundant from his job in the Summer last year, and came away with a fairly decent payment (enough to last us a good while in conjunction with my salary). However we have significant debts – around £20k in combined credit card debt, as well as 3 bank loans that are being steadily paid off (the debts are a hangover from a big house renovation, as well as my Husbands car purchase early last year).

During the second half of last year my Husband didn’t work, and didn’t look for work. He enjoyed himself; travelled when allowed (I didn’t go) and spend his days doing what he wanted. He has on and off talked about wanting to start a business involving retail (which I don’t think is a great idea) as well as other business ideas. Whenever I ask for details or specifics about any of these plans, he simply clams up and sulks as if I’m unreasonable for wanting the detail and not just wholeheartedly agreeing on a whim. He would dearly love to work for himself, and not have to be part of the rat race, corporate world etc, but I can’t help thinking we’re not in a financially stable enough place for this right now with the debts sitting there, and not being paid off apart from the minimum.

I didn’t begrudge him these few months at all, as he had been unhappy in work for a long time, and had worked really hard, so I figured he deserved a rest/break. We didn’t actually discuss this plan to not work for 6 months though, it just sort of transpired.
For context, I’m risk averse, and he isn’t. I take care of our joint finances, he doesn’t even ever look at the bank accounts.

We’re now at the point of having around 7/8 months worth of redundancy money left, plus about the same again in savings that we had prior to the redundancy.

He recently applied for and was interviewed for a suitable role and probably would have been offered, but the company have said they’re now putting the position on hold for 3 months initially due to lockdown etc.

To me it now seems madness to keep burning through the money, to allow him not to work. He is great at fixing things around the place, and dealing with practical stuff, but I’m working and still doing the majority of the cooking, shopping, laundry etc. He spends his days either doing practical things, or ‘tinkering’ in his ‘man cave’ or watching tv online in there. He even recently told someone that he is’ semi-retired’. This is simply not true, but I can’t help thinking that he almost believes it himself, or is living in a slight fantasy where this is possible. Whilst many people of his age do semi-retire (early 50’s), I would imagine that they do this with a solid bedrock of financial security etc. Not large debts and only a few months worth of income in the bank.

I recently suggested that he could get work doing something not related to his skills/profession etc, such as part-time delivery driver etc, just to bring in enough to cover the shortfall that we’re taking out of the savings every month, but he just walked off and sulked a bit. I sent him a couple of jobs I’d found yesterday that seemed suitable (ie well paid, matching his skill set/experience). He thanked me and told me this morning he was going to apply for them. He then said he was going to buy some items for his bike. Without thinking it through, I blurted ‘what about the job applications, isn’t that more important than your bike?’. He then immediately huffed off, muttering angrily and is now not talking to me and giving me the cold shoulder (which I know form experience will probably last at least all day today), although I think he is doing the applications.

I now feel awful and like I’m a horrible nagging wife. I think he sees me as un-supportive as I’m always cautious/unkeen when he talks about business ideas, but am now pushing him (albeit very gently) to apply for jobs. My fear is that we will just drift on and reach the point where the payment runs out, and will have to start using our small pool of previous/existing savings.

I dearly love my husband, and really do want him to be happy, but I also want us to have some financial security for the future. I feel sick everytime I think about the whole thing.

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emily372 · 22/01/2021 18:14

@YukoandHiro

OP doesn't need to talk to her husband or act understanding at all, she's been understanding for too long and the thing that would kill me is the fact he knows what he's doing. He's taking the piss frankly and keeps doing so because she's allowed it. If OP must talk about it, it should simply be her telling her husband she will be using his money to pay off the debts

Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 18:32

@Summerblondey would you mind if I messaged you privately sometime please?

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Raidblunner · 22/01/2021 18:33

Your not a horrible wife just realistic and honest. Your husband believes he's to good to drive a van, pride before a fall. That's what I would do...pay your debts off with the redundancy! People have this odd relationship with money, that what's in the bank is all theirs and forget to own their debts. You ran them up having the things you wanted, you have to own that and pay for it. Sounds like there's only one horrible selfish one in your relationship and it's not you!

Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 18:47

@Raidblunner thank you.

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category12 · 22/01/2021 18:51

I think you need to have a sit-down, honest conversation with him.

You're far too scared to being seen as "nagging" and have let it drift on too long, which is why as your anxiety and resentment grows, things are going to start "popping out".

You need to stop protecting him from reality.

boopeep76 · 22/01/2021 19:03

I am the person some people mentioned - husband not worked for 9 years after redundancy. Do not make the same mistake I did. Our situation was a bit different in that we have been okay on my wage - but no future pension/stability etc with 20+ ish years until state pension. There were also MH issues I have tiptoed about. BUT one of the other thinks is like you - I am so reasonable and giving - I didn't want to be a nag, to force him to do something he didn't want to, thought he deserved some time with no pressure etc etc. We are now at a cross-roads I am not sure my marriage will survive.

Whatabambam · 22/01/2021 19:10

I don't think that you are being horrible. I would suggest that you use some of the money to repay the loans or cards attracting the most interest. You might as well just sit there with a pair of scissors and cut it all up. What a way to waste all that hard work. By paying off some of the borrowing you will be financially more stable AND in a better position to get his lazy arse off the sofa and find a job. Finally. If he's capable of being a high earner in the world then he's more than capable of sharing equal responsibility for his financial decisions. He can't pretend that he's not capable.

Shadysback · 22/01/2021 19:13

You've said a few times that you feel bad for saying something, and that you are worrying about the situation. Is there a reason you don't feel you can have a frank conversation with your DH? I think a proper discussion so you can formulate a plan you are both happy with is well overdue! He can't just keep pretending he is retired indefinitely or you are going to end up in a massive financial hole!

Whatabambam · 22/01/2021 19:14

PS. I would not endorse a man who accumulates so much debt to run a business. You will lose EVERYTHING.

Scottishskifun · 22/01/2021 19:26

Your DH is burying his head in the sand, you can see the headlights heading towards you and he can't!

No your not being mean I have also been there in terms of redundancy with my DH (he had 3 in the space of 3 years due to the oil and gas downturn).
It can be hard to motivate but you need to sit down with the cold hard facts of financisl situation especially the debt level to me that's very high! Seek some proper advice in relation to consolidation of debt.

I found explaining to my DH that we needed to tackle it as a team and that I couldn't do it without him made my DH get the gumption to start looking further a field in terms of job type. Once he realised my stress levels he became very active with looking and got a job within a few weeks.

Also check out the civil service website people always forget to check it and it's not usually on other job sites.

gamerchick · 22/01/2021 19:31

LaurieFairyCake if we were to use ALL of our savings (including the previous pot) we could pay off the cred cards, and some of the bank debt

Do it. The shit will hit the fan but at least they'll be paid. Then cancel the card until he's back on the beam. Debt over your head is paralyzing. Get rid of it if you can as he's getting far too comfortable in his life.

partyatthepalace · 22/01/2021 19:41

You need to sit down with him and set out the issues - work and not pulling his weight at home. Divide up how you want the house tasks done (he should be doing 80pc right now), and book a time to talk c work the following week. Give no quarter on the housework, give him a rota.

When you sit down to talk work, it sounds like he may want/need a change in lifestyle but as PPS have said that needs a proper plan so you could both action that.

It sounds like he is in denial a bit - paying lip service to the idea he wants a full career job or to set up a business, but actually wants to reduce hours.

RantyAnty · 22/01/2021 21:30

My exH took time off after redundancy.
I waited around on him like you are.

Ended up losing our home.
I divorced him after 2 years of waiting.
He stayed out of work for 7 years.

If he continues to refuse to look for work, you'll end up losing everything once his fun money runs out.

I'd do everything to get rid of the debt.
Pay off the credit cards and him sell the expensive car to start with.
The extra money will be gone and you'll still have all that debt and one income. It was incredibly selfish of him to have an extended jolly with trips etc.

He is not being realistic about how long it will take to find work and he frankly is too lazy to be self employed.

tootysweety · 22/01/2021 23:33

Could you move to a cheaper area/smaller house, free up some equity and pay off your debts that way? I think you’d best look into it. He’s not going to get a job. Sorry but that’s the reality. He’s middle aged and unmotivated during a global pandemic.

billy1966 · 22/01/2021 23:40

The above two posts are your truth.

He is avoiding reality and spending your money while he does it.

You will be left awake at night with the debt.

Clear as much as you can.

He hasn't a notion of getting a job.

He has no idea of the money except that it is there for him to spend.

You have huge debt and he is off on holidays.

Unless he is some very lucky sectors the next year or two could be very hairy.

He is quite happy for you to do all the worrying.

Take control and use the fact that you mind the money to clear the debt.

Make sure he can't take any debt out in your name.

Put your house up for sale if necessary but do NOT be left with his accumulated debts.

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Pigeontoed · 25/01/2021 09:56

Thanks all.

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