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Am I a horrible wife?

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Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 12:53

I would really like some outside perspective on a situation that I can’t really talk to anyone about in real life please.

My Husband is the high earner between us. He was made redundant from his job in the Summer last year, and came away with a fairly decent payment (enough to last us a good while in conjunction with my salary). However we have significant debts – around £20k in combined credit card debt, as well as 3 bank loans that are being steadily paid off (the debts are a hangover from a big house renovation, as well as my Husbands car purchase early last year).

During the second half of last year my Husband didn’t work, and didn’t look for work. He enjoyed himself; travelled when allowed (I didn’t go) and spend his days doing what he wanted. He has on and off talked about wanting to start a business involving retail (which I don’t think is a great idea) as well as other business ideas. Whenever I ask for details or specifics about any of these plans, he simply clams up and sulks as if I’m unreasonable for wanting the detail and not just wholeheartedly agreeing on a whim. He would dearly love to work for himself, and not have to be part of the rat race, corporate world etc, but I can’t help thinking we’re not in a financially stable enough place for this right now with the debts sitting there, and not being paid off apart from the minimum.

I didn’t begrudge him these few months at all, as he had been unhappy in work for a long time, and had worked really hard, so I figured he deserved a rest/break. We didn’t actually discuss this plan to not work for 6 months though, it just sort of transpired.
For context, I’m risk averse, and he isn’t. I take care of our joint finances, he doesn’t even ever look at the bank accounts.

We’re now at the point of having around 7/8 months worth of redundancy money left, plus about the same again in savings that we had prior to the redundancy.

He recently applied for and was interviewed for a suitable role and probably would have been offered, but the company have said they’re now putting the position on hold for 3 months initially due to lockdown etc.

To me it now seems madness to keep burning through the money, to allow him not to work. He is great at fixing things around the place, and dealing with practical stuff, but I’m working and still doing the majority of the cooking, shopping, laundry etc. He spends his days either doing practical things, or ‘tinkering’ in his ‘man cave’ or watching tv online in there. He even recently told someone that he is’ semi-retired’. This is simply not true, but I can’t help thinking that he almost believes it himself, or is living in a slight fantasy where this is possible. Whilst many people of his age do semi-retire (early 50’s), I would imagine that they do this with a solid bedrock of financial security etc. Not large debts and only a few months worth of income in the bank.

I recently suggested that he could get work doing something not related to his skills/profession etc, such as part-time delivery driver etc, just to bring in enough to cover the shortfall that we’re taking out of the savings every month, but he just walked off and sulked a bit. I sent him a couple of jobs I’d found yesterday that seemed suitable (ie well paid, matching his skill set/experience). He thanked me and told me this morning he was going to apply for them. He then said he was going to buy some items for his bike. Without thinking it through, I blurted ‘what about the job applications, isn’t that more important than your bike?’. He then immediately huffed off, muttering angrily and is now not talking to me and giving me the cold shoulder (which I know form experience will probably last at least all day today), although I think he is doing the applications.

I now feel awful and like I’m a horrible nagging wife. I think he sees me as un-supportive as I’m always cautious/unkeen when he talks about business ideas, but am now pushing him (albeit very gently) to apply for jobs. My fear is that we will just drift on and reach the point where the payment runs out, and will have to start using our small pool of previous/existing savings.

I dearly love my husband, and really do want him to be happy, but I also want us to have some financial security for the future. I feel sick everytime I think about the whole thing.

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Silenceisgolden20 · 22/01/2021 15:34

He's put you into the position of being the parent in this relationship and you are acting it. He knows you will cushion him and sort things out so he can carry as he is now.
Stop doing it. Talk to him. That's not being a nagging wife, that's asking him to communicate with you exactly how long he expects you to live like this.
Stop doing everything for him.
He's lucky to have you. Time he saw that.

Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 15:39

Thank you all for your responses; I'm grateful for peoples time in replying. There are some really interesting questions, opinions and advice. I'll ty to reply to some individually.

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minipie · 22/01/2021 15:40

Sit down with him and go through finances.

What’s coming in, what’s going out, what you owe, how much income you will need to live off once retired and what pot is needed for that.

Then ask him where the money is going to come from to pay for all that. Your salary is X and there will presumably be a shortfall of Y. Where is Y going to come from.

Hopefully he will reach the conclusion that he needs to earn Y.

I think perhaps he needs the proof in front of him in figures.

Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 15:42

@RedskyBynight thank you. I like your idea of thinking of it in terms of 'ideal job' and 'any job' timescales. Hate is a very strong word. I have not once said 'why aren't you looking for a job', and in fact have barely said anything about it since he finished work. Hate is a very strong word.

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OhioOhioOhio · 22/01/2021 15:43

You are not horrible. I couldn't handle that. Get the debts paid off with the money and give him a much needed reality check.

Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 15:43

@RedskyBynight apologies, I didn't mean to repeat a sentence.

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Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 15:47

@4amWitchingHour thank you. There was never any discussion about using the redundancy to pay off credit cards - when he first finished work I wanted to give him time to decompress, have some fun etc without any pressure (he had been through a hard time in his job over the last 3 years). It then sort of just became apparent that he intended to take a break until Christmas. Now here we are and I'm too worried about touching our savings for anything except making up the shortfall for our monthly outgoings as it is our only safety net.

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Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 15:52

@Sunshineandflipflops prior to the redundancy we were payig quite a large chunk off the cards each month. We did then have a small amount of savings, but were reluctant to use this to pay off debt as it is literally our only safety net for a 'rainy day' etc. I do understand that our situation may seem ridiculous to some, and I do understand. I'm also grateful as I do know that there are people far far worse off then us in various ways, and we are fortunate that I have a very secure, Ok-ish paid job, and my husband has the potential to earn a very good salary again. None of that stops me worrying though.

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Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 16:06

@rookiemere @yvanka @Chambored @youvegottenminuteslynn @Unsure33 @Woodlandbelle @IJustWantSomeBees @Arrivederla household chores has always been a bone of contention. To be fair, he used to stay away form home 3 nights a week for work, so I've just kind of always done everything. Perhaps deep down I've felt that as he earned over double what I do, I had to make more of a contribution in other ways? I realise how pathetic that sounds.

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Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 16:09

@emeraldcity2000 thank you. The coaching based idea is interesting. Bottom line is that he doesn;t talk about things easily. I honestly don't think he's dpressed, in fact he's probably happier than ever.

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Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 16:32

@midlifecrash I think you've hit the nail on the head.

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wildraisins · 22/01/2021 16:33

So you have credit cards and debts that your savings only just cover, and you also have a mortgage to pay?

And your husband is saying he is "semi-retired"?

It sounds like you're barely breaking even to be honest and he needs a serious wake up call about the reality of your financial situation.

Bellringer · 22/01/2021 16:40

Pay credit cards off. Look a martin lewis or financial advice. Set a budget for the next year and some deadlines. When is your sabbatical? You don't need ro panic or crack the whip but be on the same page around expectations and obligations

Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 16:42

@wildraisins thanks. Yes that's it in a nutshell. You can see why I'm worried I'm sure. Despite that I still feel terrible for blurting that.out today when he was in a good mood and I spoiled it.

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Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 16:43

@Bellringer I don't know what you mean about a sabbatical?

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Bellringer · 22/01/2021 16:54

A sabbatical is a break from work to recharge, study, travel.. where is yours? You just need to talk. Seems he thinks my redundancy pay, you think our financial future. When you both look at overview it becomes clearer what plans/goals are needed

LannieDuck · 22/01/2021 16:57

household chores has always been a bone of contention. To be fair, he used to stay away form home 3 nights a week for work, so I've just kind of always done everything. Perhaps deep down I've felt that as he earned over double what I do, I had to make more of a contribution in other ways? I realise how pathetic that sounds.

You're currently the only breadwinner. He's essentially a house-husband.

He needs to take over 100% of the chores.

Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 16:59

@Bellringer I see what you mean now.

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Quartz2208 · 22/01/2021 16:59

Both of you need I think to start facing your reality rather than wanting to live in a world where everything is ok.

Your debts I think are an indication of how you spend without actually looking at the reality of your incomings. And this is just a further extension of that - you dont want to upset him by pointing out that you cannot survive on you working and doing everything

Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 17:05

@Quartz2208 thank you. Actually our debts are as a result of a major house renovation/rebuild having unexpected issues. Day to day we certainly don't live beyond our means withiut thought. In fact if anything, I'm very careful with money.

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billy1966 · 22/01/2021 17:06

OP,

His semi retired statement is telling.

You are not a nag.

Clearly you have been far too diplomatic.
I think his redundancy needs to pay off some of the debts promptly and you need to speak frankly to him.

It sounds like you are a decade younger than him.

Does he think he will potter and you will keep you both for the rest of his life?

You can't afford that.

You both have debts that need servicing.

You sound very tentative in your dealings with him.

Be very careful that you are not sucked into financial disaster.

7 months of sitting on his arse doing nothing while you are working and doing the lions share is spelling out how he sees you.

He sounds really selfish.
I strongly recommend that you take your loving goggles off and look at things from a worst case scenario.

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OhioOhioOhio · 22/01/2021 17:07

billy1966

That's what I think too. He's not got a problem.

Quartz2208 · 22/01/2021 17:15

[quote Pigeontoed]@Quartz2208 thank you. Actually our debts are as a result of a major house renovation/rebuild having unexpected issues. Day to day we certainly don't live beyond our means withiut thought. In fact if anything, I'm very careful with money.[/quote]
Then why are you letting this continue. You need to be realistic and move forward with a sensible plan

edwinbear · 22/01/2021 17:19

OP I am in a similar position. DH was made redundant in Nov 2019, so over a year ago. High earner (6 figures), decent pay out and he had 6 figures of savings in the bank. He is also early 50's, I'm mid 40's and work full time, I earn well, but we are burning through savings without his income coming in.

DH has applied for something like 500-600 jobs over the last 14 months, some in his old profession, some in MW jobs (he was turned down for a delivery job last week after interview). He's had about 7-8 first interviews in all that time and not one second.

Please don't let your DH think that when he's had enough of loafing about, it will take him 3-4 months to find another job, at his age, (wrong though it is), it's likely to take significantly longer - if he finds anything at all. Especially in the current climate. He needs to be working full time (6-8 hrs a day) on finding a job, any job if you don't want to be in a position of selling your house/cashing in pensions early.

Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 17:20

Quartz2208 I'm umable to move forward on my own, and as other people have pointed out, I can't make my husband do anything, and wouldn't actually want to 'make' him do anything anyway. Hence my worry and frustration. I'm finding it a very tough situation.

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