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Am I a horrible wife?

116 replies

Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 12:53

I would really like some outside perspective on a situation that I can’t really talk to anyone about in real life please.

My Husband is the high earner between us. He was made redundant from his job in the Summer last year, and came away with a fairly decent payment (enough to last us a good while in conjunction with my salary). However we have significant debts – around £20k in combined credit card debt, as well as 3 bank loans that are being steadily paid off (the debts are a hangover from a big house renovation, as well as my Husbands car purchase early last year).

During the second half of last year my Husband didn’t work, and didn’t look for work. He enjoyed himself; travelled when allowed (I didn’t go) and spend his days doing what he wanted. He has on and off talked about wanting to start a business involving retail (which I don’t think is a great idea) as well as other business ideas. Whenever I ask for details or specifics about any of these plans, he simply clams up and sulks as if I’m unreasonable for wanting the detail and not just wholeheartedly agreeing on a whim. He would dearly love to work for himself, and not have to be part of the rat race, corporate world etc, but I can’t help thinking we’re not in a financially stable enough place for this right now with the debts sitting there, and not being paid off apart from the minimum.

I didn’t begrudge him these few months at all, as he had been unhappy in work for a long time, and had worked really hard, so I figured he deserved a rest/break. We didn’t actually discuss this plan to not work for 6 months though, it just sort of transpired.
For context, I’m risk averse, and he isn’t. I take care of our joint finances, he doesn’t even ever look at the bank accounts.

We’re now at the point of having around 7/8 months worth of redundancy money left, plus about the same again in savings that we had prior to the redundancy.

He recently applied for and was interviewed for a suitable role and probably would have been offered, but the company have said they’re now putting the position on hold for 3 months initially due to lockdown etc.

To me it now seems madness to keep burning through the money, to allow him not to work. He is great at fixing things around the place, and dealing with practical stuff, but I’m working and still doing the majority of the cooking, shopping, laundry etc. He spends his days either doing practical things, or ‘tinkering’ in his ‘man cave’ or watching tv online in there. He even recently told someone that he is’ semi-retired’. This is simply not true, but I can’t help thinking that he almost believes it himself, or is living in a slight fantasy where this is possible. Whilst many people of his age do semi-retire (early 50’s), I would imagine that they do this with a solid bedrock of financial security etc. Not large debts and only a few months worth of income in the bank.

I recently suggested that he could get work doing something not related to his skills/profession etc, such as part-time delivery driver etc, just to bring in enough to cover the shortfall that we’re taking out of the savings every month, but he just walked off and sulked a bit. I sent him a couple of jobs I’d found yesterday that seemed suitable (ie well paid, matching his skill set/experience). He thanked me and told me this morning he was going to apply for them. He then said he was going to buy some items for his bike. Without thinking it through, I blurted ‘what about the job applications, isn’t that more important than your bike?’. He then immediately huffed off, muttering angrily and is now not talking to me and giving me the cold shoulder (which I know form experience will probably last at least all day today), although I think he is doing the applications.

I now feel awful and like I’m a horrible nagging wife. I think he sees me as un-supportive as I’m always cautious/unkeen when he talks about business ideas, but am now pushing him (albeit very gently) to apply for jobs. My fear is that we will just drift on and reach the point where the payment runs out, and will have to start using our small pool of previous/existing savings.

I dearly love my husband, and really do want him to be happy, but I also want us to have some financial security for the future. I feel sick everytime I think about the whole thing.

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Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 13:42

@lwonder08 To be clear, we had had a discusison where he had said to keep an eye out and send him anything I see, so I did. And it wasn't simply sending it without a conversation (I was away from home at the time). He also thanked me when I got home and said they looked good. I have been having sleepless nights and feeling very anxious about our financial security, and today was the first time anything slipped out that I probably shouldn't have said, but I feel extremely worried and it caught me off guard. I don't believe I try to manage my husband like an employee, I've said nothing for 7 months,. Also, he was the main breadwinner, I am currently the only breadwinner. I did however ask for opinions, so thank you for yours.

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Ohalrightthen · 22/01/2021 13:44

[quote Pigeontoed]@Ohalrightthen He did have a workplace pension at his last job, but I meant not currently paying in to one. I know he hadn't been in it for many years though. Prior to us being together and having joint finances, I think he basically spent everything he earned, living a fun, bachelor-style life (nice 'things', travel, extravagencies I guess).[/quote]
So when he does retire, likely 10 years ahead of you, you'll be expected to spend your hard earned money supporting him, because he was too busy having fun to plan for the future?

I'm sorry, I'd be spitting mad about that. So mad I don't think I'd be able to do it.

Iwonder08 · 22/01/2021 13:48

@pigeontoed, that is entirely different story now if he asked you to help him to look for a job. From your original post it gave a very different impression. I stand corrected.
And yet, talk to the man. Tell him you understand his reluctance to rejoin the rat race, but you as a family simply can't afford it right now. At this point it would be good to give him your budget numbers as you are the one managing family finances anyway. If he feels you understand his feelings, he might listen to you.
He is procrastinating and fantasising about being independent, not having a manager etc. Rather than telling him it is bonkers I would try suggesting to postpone this plan until the financial situatiposyn post covid is more stable.
Best of luck

BabyYodaYada · 22/01/2021 13:51

You need to team up with the lady who was on year yesterday who's husband handed his notice in at the drop of a hat. Both husbands sound equally deluded.

Stop doing everything around the house. Make life as uncomfortable for him as physically possible so he goes back to work.

Unsure33 · 22/01/2021 13:53

I think you need to tell him how worried you are and ask him to set out your joint income and expenditure including interest on the debts so you can discuss together the plan .

What a waste of his redundancy money if there is a chance of getting a job .

Perhaps say you want to be supportive in his plan but you need to know what the plan is .

Also you want a rota of chores while he is at home .

PegasusReturns · 22/01/2021 13:54

You need to have a clear conversation about next steps: that’s not nagging it’s sensible.

Your financial situation sounds precarious and I wonder if posters are interpreting your description of him as “the higher earner” as he’s a high earner and a sign that he is solvent.

The fact is you have debts that exceed your savings, limited pension provision, a mortgage and enough redundancy to last through to summer. Your DH is in his 50s, there’s a global pandemic and to top it off he seems thoroughly unmotivated. None of this bodes well.

Depending on the type of job he’s looking for the process can take a number of months. Realistically even if offered something tomorrow by the time packages are negotiated, contracts issued and signed and a start date agreed, a pay check is likely three months away.

Woodlandbelle · 22/01/2021 13:55

Firstly I would stop doing all that you are and actually starg a rota just to make the point that he cant just wake up to think about his hobbies and watch TV all day. He's had his fun. You have debt. He has little in the pot for his retirement.

Woodlandbelle · 22/01/2021 13:55

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PegasusReturns · 22/01/2021 13:57

Sorry I posted before I’d finished, but essentially your DH cannot afford to lounge around living out his “semi retired” fantasy. He’s needs to pull his finger out!

Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 13:57

@lwonder08 thank you. I apologise if I gave the wrong impression. I have never said any of his ideas are bonkers, only (I think quite reasonable?) asked him to share some research, facts and figures etc. At that point he usually shuts me out.

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tenlittlecygnets · 22/01/2021 14:01

He's in his early 50s and has NO PENSION???? That's what immediately jumped out at me. OP, he needs urgent financial advice. What is he planning on living off when he retires? You??

You need to sit down and discuss this properly. He sounds like he's being an ostrich. He needs to take responsibility for keeping track of your joint finances too.

AND he needs to start taking joint responsibility for the household chores too. He sounds like a big manchild, sulking in his cave and taking months off while letting you shoulder the burden and worry about everything.

When do you get to take 6 months off???

@PegasusReturns speaks a lot of sense.

tenlittlecygnets · 22/01/2021 14:03

If your h wants to start a new busines, what kind of business is he thinking of?

Has he got the admin skills, the marketing skills, the advertising skills, the accounting skills - as well as the skills to actually do what the bsuiness needs? Will the business require investmen? How long will it be before he projects he will make a profit?

He will need a solid year of savings before he starts up a business. Is now - in a pandemic - the best time to start this business?

Sounds like he's living in cloud cuckoo land.

IJustWantSomeBees · 22/01/2021 14:08

He really should be taking over with the house and cooking. If you are now the breadwinner whilst also doing all the housework what motivation does he have to get another job? You're doing everything and he gets to sit in his 'man cave' all day, no reason for him to be interested in getting a job right now.

IWantT0BreakFree · 22/01/2021 14:08

I think it sounds as though his long term plan is basically to either live off your money and pension (I know you say he was paying into one himself but if it was only for a short while it won’t be adequate to live off from age 50 something for the rest of his life), or to work part time and be “semi-retired”, again with you making up the shortfall. He hasn’t even the decency to run this game plan past you, given that it depends upon your money and your labour.

He needs to either contribute to the joint pot or stand on his own two feet. You need to make it crystal clear that him opting out of work without the means to support himself is categorically not an option. You are not an ATM, and once his money has disappeared in a few months that’s exactly what he’ll be using you as.

You’ve got to get tough. Don’t accept any gaslighting.

Arrivederla · 22/01/2021 14:36

@Woodlandbelle

Firstly I would stop doing all that you are and actually starg a rota just to make the point that he cant just wake up to think about his hobbies and watch TV all day. He's had his fun. You have debt. He has little in the pot for his retirement.
This.
sHREDDIES19 · 22/01/2021 14:42

Not at all, you have given him the breathing space and break he wanted (and arguably deserved). However, he now needs to face the reality of the situation and not bury his head in the sand. It's a pipe dream to carry on as is and live off your salary, so he either needs to get back to work or progress his business idea into a reality. Given that option 1 is the most likely he really needs to do some adulting rather than leaving the financial burden to rest solely on you.

zoemum2006 · 22/01/2021 14:54

DH and I are both self-employed and we both love it. It is wonderful but it comes with some serious financial planning implications.

You need to know that he understands that self employed is a bit commitment and not for the faint hearted and he needs to hear that you believe in him.

Sounds like you need a proper chat about this but neither of you are 'in the wrong'.

emily372 · 22/01/2021 15:03

The thing is you can't tell a grown man what to do. If he wants to find work he will. Sending him jobs won't do anything if he's not willing to do it off his own back

Positivevibesonlyplease · 22/01/2021 15:06

@Iwonder08

You are a horrible nagging wife. If my husband sent me links for jobs he found suitable and also chased me after like you did, I would leave. Especially given his is according to you is the main breadwinner in the family. I totally understand your concerns with the family finance, but your methods of communication are appalling. He is your husband, not your employee, don't try to manage him. It is entirely possible to have respectful conversations about finance, even if you have a different opinion.
This is incredibly harsh. You are not a horrible, nagging wife. You are a person who is very concerned about your family’s welfare. It makes sense to send links to jobs - that’s thoughtful! I’m impressed that you still love him so dearly TBH. I would not feel very positive towards someone who appears so work shy and with little thought for his family’s future.
Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 15:08

@emily372 thank you. I appreciate your view. I have said nothing for 7 months and do v much regret that I said anything today. I do however find it hard to continue to watch our only financial security being eroded each month unnecessarily, waiting to see what will happen next.

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TheTeenageYears · 22/01/2021 15:11

DH (late 40's) is always talking about retiring but has absolutely no concept of our financial position now or for the future. I find it really stressful every time he utters the R word. I took on the role of household CFO in our early 20's and I really wish I hadn't. @Pigeontoed I don't really have anything constructive to add except to be sympathetic to your position. I don't think you are nagging (but know my DH would disagree). When my DH found himself without a job a few years ago it hit him really hard and I'm sure your DH is having the stuffing knocked out of him little by little while looking for and applying for jobs. He may be presenting an I'm fine attitude but he may well be running like a hamster on a wheel beneath the surface.

Palavah · 22/01/2021 15:19

You're not horrible.

I agree with PP, you need to be able to sit down together without distraction, lay out the current situation and show when the money will run out. What is OUR plan?

Also what interest are you getting on your savings/paying on your debts. Are you on the lowest interest rate you can be for those debts?

It may make sense to pay down some of the debt from your savings but you kust consider how you would access cash in an emergency - what's your credit rating like?

Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 15:22

@zoemum2006 thank you. The business idea is in retail essemtially. I'm not opposed to it in principle, but I do find it unbievably worrying during a pandemic, with large debts. If he was to get a job earning in the region of what he was before, we could use savings to pay off the credit cards, and within 12 months some of the loans would be.paid too. Within 24 months we would be debt free, probably with some saved for the business. In that position I would 100% be saying 'go for it'.

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emeraldcity2000 · 22/01/2021 15:27

I think you need to explore what's going on for him and why he's resistant. It seems fairly obvious the sensible thing would be to get another job. Ideally not taking a long break between and using the money to pay off debt.
Was he unhappy in his work? Is he depressed? Does he want to do something very different? I would try taking a more coaching based approach- odd to say that about a marriage really but you need to understand his motivation and he needs to be committed to whatever you decide is the right next step.

dottiedodah · 22/01/2021 15:31

Firstly I feel for you and in no way do I think you are a "horrible wife"! However the situation ATM is very precarious regarding work, and over 50s are getting the worst of it.It may be possible for him to get another job in time ATM it really isnt easy .Why does he have no pension? It may be wise to speak to a financial expert (online if necessary)and go through options with them .Could you downsize/take in a lodger/could he advertise as a Handyman on FB or whatever if he is good at practical things .The time to act is now!