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Am I a horrible wife?

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Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 12:53

I would really like some outside perspective on a situation that I can’t really talk to anyone about in real life please.

My Husband is the high earner between us. He was made redundant from his job in the Summer last year, and came away with a fairly decent payment (enough to last us a good while in conjunction with my salary). However we have significant debts – around £20k in combined credit card debt, as well as 3 bank loans that are being steadily paid off (the debts are a hangover from a big house renovation, as well as my Husbands car purchase early last year).

During the second half of last year my Husband didn’t work, and didn’t look for work. He enjoyed himself; travelled when allowed (I didn’t go) and spend his days doing what he wanted. He has on and off talked about wanting to start a business involving retail (which I don’t think is a great idea) as well as other business ideas. Whenever I ask for details or specifics about any of these plans, he simply clams up and sulks as if I’m unreasonable for wanting the detail and not just wholeheartedly agreeing on a whim. He would dearly love to work for himself, and not have to be part of the rat race, corporate world etc, but I can’t help thinking we’re not in a financially stable enough place for this right now with the debts sitting there, and not being paid off apart from the minimum.

I didn’t begrudge him these few months at all, as he had been unhappy in work for a long time, and had worked really hard, so I figured he deserved a rest/break. We didn’t actually discuss this plan to not work for 6 months though, it just sort of transpired.
For context, I’m risk averse, and he isn’t. I take care of our joint finances, he doesn’t even ever look at the bank accounts.

We’re now at the point of having around 7/8 months worth of redundancy money left, plus about the same again in savings that we had prior to the redundancy.

He recently applied for and was interviewed for a suitable role and probably would have been offered, but the company have said they’re now putting the position on hold for 3 months initially due to lockdown etc.

To me it now seems madness to keep burning through the money, to allow him not to work. He is great at fixing things around the place, and dealing with practical stuff, but I’m working and still doing the majority of the cooking, shopping, laundry etc. He spends his days either doing practical things, or ‘tinkering’ in his ‘man cave’ or watching tv online in there. He even recently told someone that he is’ semi-retired’. This is simply not true, but I can’t help thinking that he almost believes it himself, or is living in a slight fantasy where this is possible. Whilst many people of his age do semi-retire (early 50’s), I would imagine that they do this with a solid bedrock of financial security etc. Not large debts and only a few months worth of income in the bank.

I recently suggested that he could get work doing something not related to his skills/profession etc, such as part-time delivery driver etc, just to bring in enough to cover the shortfall that we’re taking out of the savings every month, but he just walked off and sulked a bit. I sent him a couple of jobs I’d found yesterday that seemed suitable (ie well paid, matching his skill set/experience). He thanked me and told me this morning he was going to apply for them. He then said he was going to buy some items for his bike. Without thinking it through, I blurted ‘what about the job applications, isn’t that more important than your bike?’. He then immediately huffed off, muttering angrily and is now not talking to me and giving me the cold shoulder (which I know form experience will probably last at least all day today), although I think he is doing the applications.

I now feel awful and like I’m a horrible nagging wife. I think he sees me as un-supportive as I’m always cautious/unkeen when he talks about business ideas, but am now pushing him (albeit very gently) to apply for jobs. My fear is that we will just drift on and reach the point where the payment runs out, and will have to start using our small pool of previous/existing savings.

I dearly love my husband, and really do want him to be happy, but I also want us to have some financial security for the future. I feel sick everytime I think about the whole thing.

OP posts:
Quartz2208 · 22/01/2021 17:22

@Pigeontoed

Quartz2208 I'm umable to move forward on my own, and as other people have pointed out, I can't make my husband do anything, and wouldn't actually want to 'make' him do anything anyway. Hence my worry and frustration. I'm finding it a very tough situation.
Cant you have a frank chat with him about this though. Of course you cant make him do anything but you can be honest with him about how you cant continue to go on being the only breadwinner and doing everything.

Without worrying you are being a nagging horrible wife. Where is his concern towards you when he is living this life and travelling

Having read through your OP - he doesnt know the bank accounts so he is doing all of this without a clue as to how it is going to affect things.

OP at the moment he isnt being a very good husband

edwinbear · 22/01/2021 17:26

And just to add, that job that 'went on hold', it won't come back on. That's code for the recruiting manager interviewed people without getting approval for additional headcount - it won't be approved in the current environment, firms are not approving additional headcount. DH had one that 'went on hold' about 6 months ago which the hiring manager said he was perfect for. He's not heard a word since and doesn't expect to.

emily372 · 22/01/2021 17:28

Come on, He's not stupid? He knows what he's doing. He's choosing to do it and until he chooses to sort himself out, no amount of frank talking or laying down facts is going to make him change. Honestly, don't worry op, he's not a child he will realise at some point

Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 17:32

@Edwinbear I hear what you're saying. It was actially the MD/owner who interviewed so it wasn't about not getting permission, but of course a financial decision related to the nature of that business and the effects of a lockdown. We/he certainly aren't holding any hope for that job.

OP posts:
emily372 · 22/01/2021 17:32

Always always have money stashed away for yourself so you can leave, even if you're married because of shitty situations like this!

SpongeBobJudgeyPants · 22/01/2021 17:36

I think there is maybe some 'magical thinking' going on with the retail idea/own boss/out of the corporate world etc. Being self employed, you are always at the mercy of customers, market forces, pandemics, other things happening in the supply chain etc, things you absolutely can't control, with no guaranteed income at the end of the day. I have been self employed, whilst working round young DD, but there are a lot of rosy views about it from people who haven't actually done it. Anything that actually involves Joe or Josy Public as a customer has the potential to be mucked up by them, as you smile sweetly to try not to lose future custom.

He needs to get real ideally, though I agree you can't make him. And picking up cooking/cleaning duties would help.

A supportive partner would do a job temporarily at least to bring in what is needed to service household costs/debt etc. A very similar thread yesterday where the OH wanted to work in a book shop or similar, to escape the rat race, then it turned out he didn't actually want to. Or do anything. And was never going to be happy, whatever. I hope DH isn't similar.

YukoandHiro · 22/01/2021 17:37

You should never having savings and debt. Get rid of the debt now with what remains of the redundancy money or you could be in deep shit in a few months

YukoandHiro · 22/01/2021 17:38

You're not nagging. Your right.

Speak to him tonight. Tell him you understand it's a difficult and sensitive issue but you won't be put off by the huffing and silent treatment because he needs to face facts about your precarious situation

Pigeontoed · 22/01/2021 17:40

@YukoandHiro thank you. In theory a good idea, but I'm not sure what we would use to pay the shortfall of our bills and mortgage if the money is used.

OP posts:
YukoandHiro · 22/01/2021 17:41

@emily372 Did you see the thread on here yesterday where the OP's husband got made redundant and then hadn't worked for 9 years.....?

YukoandHiro · 22/01/2021 17:45

@Pigeontoed I understand but also don't quite get why he didn't see this as major priority with the redundancy money considering the cost of debt.... was it because he didn't want to have to work?

I get it about his pension situation - not all careers make it easy.

I wonder If you could suggest consulting a financial advisor together? It might make him see things more clearly or at least guilt him into action.

You need to make clear the amount of anxiety his inaction is causing you - it's not just his issue.

Do you have DC?

Bellringer · 22/01/2021 17:45

Tighten your belts, reality will dawn. Don't pay interest, just money down the drain. Get real and talk about it

thenewduchessofhastings · 22/01/2021 17:47

It sounds like he's lost his motivation tbh

thenewduchessofhastings · 22/01/2021 17:49

@YukoandHiro

Was that the bloke who wanted to live in a shack in the woods?

YukoandHiro · 22/01/2021 17:51

That's the one!

Silenceisgolden20 · 22/01/2021 17:51

Where is his care for you? For both of you?
What make believe land is he living where his wife will sort everything out?
He sounds like he's well aware of the situation, he's choosing ignore it because you are doing it for him.
Stop. You can't make him but you can control what you do.

Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel · 22/01/2021 17:52

I'm sorry OP , he's a lazy selfish wanker. You deserve better.

category12 · 22/01/2021 17:56

Actually sit down and think about how much interest having those debts is costing you, compared to the amount of interest you get on the savings. You're viewing the savings as your safety net, and covering your shortfall on bills, but would you actually have the shortfall if you weren't paying the debts?

Have a read of this www.moneysavingexpert.com/savings/pay-off-debts/

If you continue to burn through your savings, you'll end up still with the debt and no way of paying it, and the shortfall, if it takes him longer than the several months of redundancy money you've got left to get an income coming in. Whereas if you get rid of the debt, you'll have a better chance of being able to tighten your belts and survive on your income. There are loads of people looking for work, even if he starts applying like mad, it may take ages to find something.

Going into retail, unless it's online, at this time is madness.

MynephewR · 22/01/2021 18:03

I'm very careful with money
I'm sorry OP but if you have savings equal to your credit card debt then you are not careful with money. Please please take some time to trawl through the money saving expert website thoroughly. If you had zero debt and zero savings then you would be in a better financial position than you are in now.

Bellringer · 22/01/2021 18:04

Put mortgage on interest only. TALK TO HIM. What are his plans

MynephewR · 22/01/2021 18:06

Aha @category12 you got there before me. I posted before I'd seen yours or I literally would have just quoted it and written "this!" Grin

category12 · 22/01/2021 18:06

Also, it's time you stopped letting your dh not bother about the finances. He's an adult, he's got to stop sticking his head in the sand and stop opting out. Of course he can potter around dreaming dreams when he never looks at the accounts.

SummerBlondey · 22/01/2021 18:11

I was a Bank Manager in Debt Recovery and Mortgages for many years. I have also started my own business after Voluntary Redundancy. So, I have thoughts here regarding the debt and his business venture ideas!

Regards the debts, my advice would be to consolidate all of your debts into your Mortgage. Your Mortgage interest rate will be far cheaper than the rates on the other debts, and also the term will be far longer. This should significantly your monthly outgoings.

Regards the business venture ideas that he has, I would advise him to seek professional support from the Government, and he would get paid for this! I am in Scotland, and I was referred from the Job Centre to a body called Business Gateway. When I took Voluntary Redundancy, I had a Business idea, so the Job Centre took me off JSA and referred me to Business Gateway. I do not know what it is called in England : your local Job Centre would be able to tell you though.

Basically, I was paid around £75 a week, and I was also assigned an Advisor who helped me to plan my business and put together plans of what income I would expect to make. They really force you to do the number crunching and you have to go every week to get the £75. If I recall correctly this lasted for 8-12 weeks, until I launched the Business. He really cannot keep being shifty about whatever it is he thinks he can make money from!!

My new business was a great success, temporarily affected by Corona, but will definitely spring back later. In lockdown I started another business which flopped. So I've seen it from both sides!

You have given him long enough wafting around with no income and no purpose!!

MMmomDD · 22/01/2021 18:12

OP - I think you are kidding yourself a little when you think you are careful with money.
Your credit card dept - that you say you have been paying off last year - is still at 20K...
You had to have three loans to have a renovations and then your H buys a car that requires a loan too?
And he doesn’t even save for a pension.
This is the very definition of living beyond means.

Your H isn’t the one managing the money. But surely, with a high earning job - he is smart enough to understand the numbers?
And the fact that credit card debt is hugely expensive?

I don’t know how you didn’t think that first order of business after getting redundancy was to pay of credit card dept????
And then - making a plan of how and when he needs to start contributing again.

Not sure how he need up in such a cushy place - home watching TV while you earn money AND play his servant, While he doesn’t seem to want to move a finger.
So - he didn’t like his job lately and needed a break. Sure.
Does he like living in his nice house and driving his expensive car? Or is he willing to sell it all off to fund his fantasy of a retail business - in the midst of retail industry having the worst time in many years?

Why are you treating him like a child you can’t say no to?

In your place I’d be making plans to protect at least the half of family assets that belong to you. Before there isn’t much left.

He needs to grow up.

PicsInRed · 22/01/2021 18:12

Get that debt paid off otherwise he's going to piss away the rest of the cash and you'll have half that debt (or even more - if he no longer works and is considered more "needy") in any divorce.

This is so precarious OP. Get rid of that debt.

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