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My friend raped me and I don't know how to move on.

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frozenfawn · 20/01/2021 14:29

I’ve name changed for this because I just need to get this out somewhere. I can’t access counselling or therapy at the moment so I’m hoping taking a big deep breath and talking about it will help. It’s outing, I’ve fudged a few details, but if you’re someone I’d told you’d know it was me.

It's an essay I'm afraid...

In 2019 myself and my now-DH got engaged. My closest – male – friend started withdrawing from me, being standoffish etc. We had known each other for a number of years, pre-dating my knowing DH, and I was also friends with his wife. I went around to his house one evening to hang out, had what I thought was a nice time, and then the next day received an essay-length WhatsApp from him saying I wasn’t the same anymore, I never made time for/didn’t care about him, he felt neglected in favour of my relationship etc. (If that sounds familiar, I wrote a thread about it at the time.)

The whole thing stunk of jealousy, and his wife ended up sending him round to see me like a child to “make up”. The whole thing was utterly bizarre. I Have Issues from things that happened to me as a teen and found it all very upsetting – I have a deeply ingrained fear of being disliked/am terrified of people I care about being upset with me. It’s something I’m aware of and am working on, but at the time this incident completely blindsided me.

We were ostensibly still friends but didn’t speak anywhere near as often as we had before, but after the above incident I was okay with distancing a bit. The incident was around April. In December that year, he started texting me more again, wanting to hang out etc. I was pleased – I thought maybe he was wanting to get our friendship back to how it had been before, which I would have liked. Due to Christmas we couldn’t meet up until the New Year but it was nice speaking again, just texting about shared interests and our lives etc. I was reluctant to talk about DH so as not to set him off, which I look back on now and am so upset for myself walking on eggshells.

In the January we met at his house, his wife was out. He was touchy-feely in a way he had never been before – we had always kept a respectable physical distance. Joking about me sitting on his lap, playing a computer game that meant being cramped close to each other in close quarters etc.

At the end of the night he told me that he and his wife had opened their relationship. Before DH I, too, had been in open relationships, and he seemed to think I would jump at the chance to make our friendship physical. I said, probably overly nicely, that I wasn’t interested, and went home.

Over the next 2 weeks he assured me repeatedly that our friendship was the most important thing and he was totally happy that I’d said no.

We went out for a quiet drink at a pub – my suggestion, neutral and public ground – and had a lovely time. I thought it was Back To Normal. At the end of the evening we walked halfway home before each going our separate ways. We hugged goodbye (normal), but then he grabbed my bum and squeezed. As I pulled away, he also grabbed my breast. I kind of froze, tried to laugh it off, said goodnight and left.

From this point on it’s a mess. I was repeatedly raped as a teenager by an ex who acted in much the same way – seeming to prey on my inability to upset people and taking advantage of that. He told me he loved me and I didn’t want to hurt him; my friend was saying he loved me (platonically) now and I didn’t want to cause a drama or hurt anyone. I’ve had a lot of counselling in the past to deal with it, but I really wasn’t expecting to ever be in a similar situation again and it totally blindsided me.

My ‘friend’ invited me over (again a couple of weeks later) and I went, having told him again that I was in a monogamous relationship and not interested in more. He said again how being friends is most important etc. I didn’t want to lose him as a friend – we had been so close for a few years and nothing like this had ever happened before. I wanted to believe things would go back to normal and I would have my friend back. This friend knew about my history. Now, the cynic in me wonders if he used that playbook against me intentionally, knowing how I would likely react.

We were watching a movie together – normal activity for us – but when I went to get up to go to the loo he pulled me into his lap. He started touching me, kissing my boobs etc, and I just froze. I stared at the wall behind his head and froze. Eventually he stopped and I went to the loo and the night carried on like nothing had happened.

I knew deep down that I needed to leave and never see him again, but the pain of that loss combined with my existing trauma responses meant I was frozen. It felt like I was on autopilot. I didn’t want to let on that anything was wrong so I carried on as normal.

I went to his house one final time before lockdown, thinking it couldn’t possibly get worse than it already was and wanting things to be “fixed” and “normal” again. He did the same thing again, but this time kissed me. I let him. I felt 17 again, confused and hurt and betrayed and not wanting anyone to hate me. I was dying inside, but I let him. I know – believe me, I know – that my trauma response to this is beyond fucked up. I hate myself for it. He kept pushing for sex, and I just felt dead inside. I couldn’t leave to walk home, it was a long walk and late and dark, and I couldn’t call DH to collect me early because he would ask why. Most of all, I couldn’t handle the thought of the hurt and confrontation, I didn’t know what to do, so I basically played dead. I let him lay me down on the floor, where he raped me. I pretended everything was okay while inside I just curled up and died.

It was just like my ex when I was 17 – he was using it to claim ownership of me when he felt jealous. Exactly the same. I knew it deep down when it was happening but I didn’t want to believe it was true. I do know it fully now. It feels like it all played out in slow motion around me.

DH picked me up not long after, then lockdown happened. I spent the next 4 weeks a hollow shell, in so much pain, just broken. I kept acting like I was okay. ‘Friend’ kept texting to say how much fun he had had, I kept acting like things were fine, until one day I just couldn’t anymore. I went for a walk one evening and called my oldest friend and just broke down. I cried my eyes out to her in a field near my house. Then I went back and I told DH what had happened.

DH has been nothing short of unfailingly supportive; he knows my past and my issues, and I am so lucky to have him. I also confided in a couple of mutual friends who were also amazing. I told my ‘friend’ what had happened from my perspective and both he and his wife went apeshit. I didn’t use the word rape in my message but they knew that’s what I meant by how I felt and went on the defence in a huge way. I removed them both on my social media, blocked their numbers, and haven’t seen or spoken to them since.

But I just… can’t get over it. A lot of the time now I’m doing okay, until I’m not. I’m scared of being alone with men now, even colleagues, because I don’t trust what they might do even when they’ve been completely innocent up until that point.

It’s affecting how often I want to be intimate with DH; on bad days, I feel physically terrified of sex or even being kissed. I feel trapped and suffocated and like I can’t escape, just like I felt in that room. I feel like part of my mind is still there. I have flashbacks about it just like I have about the rapes when I was 17. Those have never gone away, but I’m numb to those ones now as it’s been so long (very long, we are all in our late 30s). These ones are so raw still.

I don’t want to keep talking to DH about it; we got married at the end of last year as planned (a tiny wedding within the restrictions) and he is so wonderful, I am so happy in my relationship and I don’t want him to have to deal with this burden, even though he is so understanding. I wish I could fast-forward to feeling numb about it like the other times. That just feels so far away right now.

TL;DR my friend raped me and I don’t know how to move on.

Please don't tell me how stupid I was to return to the situation after the first incident because believe me I know and I hate myself for it every day. I wish I was a strong person, the type that could have told him to fuck off and just walked away. Things in my past have broken me somewhat, and I though I was so much better but all it took was one incident and all that strength that was 15 years in the making just shattered instantly.

I don’t even know what I’m hoping to get out of this thread.

I guess I just needed to write it down.

OP posts:
Weirdfan · 21/01/2021 00:08

I completely understand why you went back too OP, I have similar stuff in my past and would likely have done the same and for the same reasons. From an objective viewpoint his behaviour is horrifying though, completely planned, premeditated and utterly predatory, no wonder you're struggling to make sense of that from someone you thought you could trust.

I don't feel I can offer much in addition to the advice you've already had but I just wanted you to have as much confirmation as possible that your actions/reactions are entirely normal and understandable to other survivors and that none of this was your fault.

Readingandrighting · 21/01/2021 00:43

The Rape Crisis Centre must have a phone number you could ring? I know it’s hard but it’s what they do. They will help.

I can understand your reluctance re therapy. I rang the Samaritans after non-consensual sex with a man where I didn’t stop it and the lady said ‘I suppose you feel like a fool now because he knows if he wants sex you’re willing.’ I felt stripped of so much that day. I sometimes think of writing him a letter. He moved to France.

I think it’s important to speak to trained professionals. The Rape Crisis Centre is definitely your best bet.

Googlebrained · 21/01/2021 07:38

[quote EarthSight]@AlbaAlba Totally agree. Also, I think talking therapy is valuable. It just depends on a person's needs and it wasn't for me. I was expecting more input, more insight from them. Just more insight and gentle investigation, but like I said, it was like talking to a wall, as nice as she was.

Finding the right type of therapy is key.[/quote]
That sounds like it's more down to the wrong kind of therapist than the wrong kind of therapy. No therapy should be like talking to a wall. Even the most gentle, non interventionist therapy should help someone feel heard, validated, provide psycho education to give greater awareness and understanding, offer techniques to deal with the symptoms of trauma like grounding techniques to deal with flashbacks etc.

If anyone sees someone who doesn't provide these things as a minimum, I'd change therapist.

Googlebrained · 21/01/2021 07:47

That's terrible readingandrighting. I'm so sorry that happened to you. But the Samaritans aren't trained therapists. They're supposed to be a listening service. What she said to you was inexcusable. You're not a fool, he's a rapist. And I don't really like the term non consensual sex as it minimises rape.

I hope you were able to get specialist support. It might help you to speak to someone from Rape Crisis again, even if it was a long time ago, you may not have been able to process it completely.

ItsNotRainingToday · 21/01/2021 08:13

I am so sorry this happened to you OP.

I agree you need to talk to people whether that's rape experts, or counsellors.

IMO I think you will need long term counselling /psychotherapy to help you untangle all that has happened and to enable you to analyse your own emotions.

You need a particular type of counsellor who can help.

From the outside- and this is just a very rough guess - maybe you need to work on your self-worth.

This could take months because there is a lot of unravelling to do. but look at the BACP and find someone in your area who is an expert in abuse and helping clients with that.

Good luck.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 21/01/2021 12:51

I'm finding it so sad to read all these traumatic experiences made worse by clumsy wording and judgmental thinking.

We live in a world which needs "rape experts". It's utterly depressing.

But, I am thankful that such people do exist and that women can access them. More power (and funding) to them.

Readingandrighting · 21/01/2021 13:21

@Googlebrained

I’ve never told anyone apart from my ex. I felt traumatised by being called a fool and maybe on some level I believed I was.

PlinkPlink · 21/01/2021 13:21

Fuck me.

Some of these replies are from utter wankbadgers who have no business replying in the first place. If you don't understand rape and sexual assault, fucking leave and don't comment. If you lack empathy, if you ever think the victim is to blame, fuck off and do one.

OP, I'm so so sorry this happened to you. Sending you big fucking hugs.

I wasn't raped but I was sexaully assaulted. The days following it were the darkest in my life.

You do freeze. You freeze and you pander because your brain is telling you to survive at any cost. You revert back to past behaviour because of previous trauma.
And then, in a totally fucked up way, your brain looks back at it and goes "Why the fuck didn't you say something? Why didn't you lash out? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why me? Why?" Then you start to blame yourself, then you start to think you deserved it, then stupid people (like some of the ones above) confirm that thinking, then you say nothing and you let it eat you up inside and destroy you... Stop. That. Now.

I went to CRASAC - Cornwall Rape and Sexual Abuse Counselling. They were amazing. I got 2 bouts of counselling from them. Mainly because I hadn't dealt with some issues from before. I'd imagine you'd have something similar in your area.

It fucking hurts. Its fucking awful. But you must talk. You must vent your feelings. Process what happened. Accept that there are days when you will want to do fuck all but eat olives and play on the xbox (that was my escape ha).

Its a bit like hiding a weed under a carpet. You hide it and it seems to be okay for a while. You can't see it so you can move on. But soon, long tendrils start growing from the weed, and they grow from under the carpet until it stretches out and it has attached itself to every part of your life. You can't ignore it anymore.

Rape specific counselling will help. I needed to piece together what had happened to me. Chronologically, piece it together in my mind because it was a fucking mess up there.

If you need to talk and vent through it, PM me. You need people to be there and say, its okay, im here for you. I'm here to carry you for a bit.

You WILL be strong again. I felt terrified and weak. Utterly powerless. But I promise, you will be strong again and you will be fucking FIERCE.

Googlebrained · 22/01/2021 07:10

[quote Readingandrighting]@Googlebrained

I’ve never told anyone apart from my ex. I felt traumatised by being called a fool and maybe on some level I believed I was.[/quote]
@Readingandrighting I hope reading this thread has helped to change your mind about what you were told. It's one of the reasons I'm nervous about untrained or non-specialist therapists being let loose on people who've been traumatised.

Please give Rape Crisis a call. Although I've been lucky enough to not need their services I'm sure they've got properly trained staff who will understand what you've been through and will able to help you to work through your experiences. In my experience, it's often events after the rape itself that stop people being able to move on: not being believed, victim-blaming, crass remarks, clumsy questioning etc.

If you take one thing away from this thread, please let it be that you were not a fool, you are not to blame and the responsibility all lies with the rapist. As many people have expressed in this thread, these men are nasty manipulative abusers Flowers.

Tallybeebloom · 22/01/2021 08:54

OP, well done for reaching out. I know it's easy for people to tell you it wasn't your fault but it's harder to let yourself truly feel that, I really hope that over time you do start to believe it and stop blaming yourself. You are lucky to have a DH who is so supportive and posters on here have given you good advice regarding therapy.

Regarding the freeze or fight instinct, people truly don't know how they will respond. I was raped my boyfriend when I was younger, the first time was anally. He wanted to do it and I didn't, we had jokingly had a bet on and I'd said if I lost then I'd do that. I lost the bet but when it came to it I said I didn't want to but he said I had to cos I'd lost the bet. I put up a bit of a fight before just giving up and crying while he held me down with his body weight. After that any time he wanted to have sex with me he would, and I would just let him even if I didn't want to. I get that for those who haven't experienced this they would say, 'well that's not rape because you didn't say no' but they clearly haven't been in a similar position then. I might not have always said no but I clearly didn't want to at times, I remember once when I was just laid there crying and crying because I wanted him to stop, and he just carried on. Can someone really think a sobbing person wants to have sex with them just because they haven't said the word, 'no'? Another time when I was seriously ill with vomiting and diarrhea, I had been lying in bed being sick all day and I told him I wasn't feeling well but that didn't matter to him and he did it anyway while I just lay there, still curled in the foetal position with my head over the edge of the bed above a sick bucket. Can that really be seen as consent just because I didn't fight him off?

With the help of friends and family I managed to get out of that relationship and a while later dated someone else, who I confided in about my past. This guy did the same thing- it was clear I didn't want to have sex but he kept pushing and pushing until eventually I gave up and just lay there trying to pretend I was somewhere else while he did. He was a policeman.

I know my ex wouldn't consider himself a rapist, neither would the policeman. I think a lot of rapists wouldn't. These aren't the guys who jump out of bushes and force themselves on strangers. These are the ones who see particular women in their lives as possessions that they have some claim over to the point where I actually think they don't even acknowledge to themselves that this person doesn't or might not want to have sex with them. That's why these guys can go undetected or have so many people in their lives who defend them or say they would never do that, because they wouldn't necessarily pounce on a total stranger, they may appear to be respectful of women in general on a day to day basis. But they feel they have an entitlement, maybe even only over particular women or women who have a certain role in their lives, that means they will disregard any signs that this person clearly doesn't want what they are doing. It's still rape but they will kid themselves that it's not, that that woman wanted them as much as they wanted her.

Thing is on two other occasions I had strangers attempt to rape me. Both times I fought back with every fibre of my being and managed to get away. I think there's something strange that happens when it's someone we know that can make it more likely for us to freeze than fight. I don't know why that is.

Readingandrighting · 22/01/2021 13:39

@Googlebrained

Thank you so much. How kind you are. A bit like OP, I’m afraid of what a therapist would say or how they’d handle it. I’m also afraid to talk about it too much in case it comes to the fore more & becomes more entrenched. He also slapped & choked me without asking. I hated it but I don’t remember telling him to stop: maybe with the choking, I really can’t remember. I remember being afraid to tell him that he entered me without asking - I even made a joke about it afterwards & hung out with him the next day. I cringe & cry at it. Before then I pretty much trusted men. Annoyed that I got through my teens & twenties but had that experience in my 30s.

I can relate to the OP in ways but I think her experience is worse as it was a supposedly trusted friend. Mine was a guy I thought (in my now lost naïveté) wanted a relationship but he just wanted a lay. He also masturbated while just looking at me. I was like a porn video to him.

Do you think I should write him a letter? I often think of it. All I have for him is Facebook though & it could be dodgy.

IHateUserName · 22/01/2021 15:17

@Readingandrighting

I'm so sorry that happened to you. I understand the fear of therapy & really understand the fear of repressed memories resurfacing. Maybe you could try EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique). Have a Google of it & see if it might help. As for writing him a letter, are you sure you are comfortable or prepared for any repercussions it might have, perhaps bringing him back into your life, or how you will feel if he denies & tries to blame you? It might help to write the letter, or even several, & then burn them or throw them away, so you get to say what you want & help get the emotions out, but without any risk to you. Whatever you do, stay safe & I hope you can find your healing & happiness. Flowers

Readingandrighting · 22/01/2021 16:04

@IHateUserName

Thank you so much. It’s very true about the repercussions of contacting him. He has no idea he did anything wrong & I suppose that’s what bothers me the most.

As for EFT, I tried it in the past after a bad break-up. I’ll try it again. Thank you.

frozenfawn · 22/01/2021 16:48

I've referred myself to IAPT and have a telephone triage appointment next Friday (during the working day, I may have to ask to work from home that day as I don't fancy telling my manager unless I have to)

I'm hoping they agree to EMDR on the NHS, I know the waiting list will be long even if I say yes but it will be worth it if it stops the flashbacks

On my good days I'm still doing well I think, overall... I feel better today than I did feel (thank you all!) and more able to cope with the flashbacks and intrusive memories... if anything can make those stop or just make them less then it would change my life completely... maybe let me enjoy my life fully again... I still do on my good days but the impact of it is so upsetting in itself. Like I'll be having a normal and good day with my family with this film playing in my head in the background on repeat... most days I can ignore it but when I can't its dreadful... I can't remember what its like to jot have to deal with that!

When I was a teenager it was the emotionally abusive things my dad said to me... then became the first lot of sexual abuse... then I worked so hard to move past that, now its this stuff... I cant imagine how free it would feel to not have this stuff going round and round in my head on a loop!

Thanks again to all of you for your support... anyone who has had EMDR on the NHS out there? I'd be really interested in hearing your experiences (though I know it will vary from trust to trust)

I'm feeling more positive today that there may be a way out/a future where these intrusive memories don't plague me anymore... maybe not even the decades old ones... I'm not sure I dare to believe that that's possible but maybe it is Smile

OP posts:
OhCaptain · 22/01/2021 16:55

Well done on taking that step @frozenfawn Flowers

Readingandrighting · 22/01/2021 18:00

Best of luck to you @frozenfawn xxxxx

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 23/01/2021 00:36

Good for you.

Theonethatgotawayawayaway · 23/01/2021 01:11

Wow a hard read, I’m so sorry OP. He is a bastard, I won’t tell you to report him as I still haven’t reported my rape at 15. It’s hard, I know I put it to the back of my mind but I wish I had done something back then.

Therapy will help and you can trust a counsellor will not tell anyone (if you don’t want them to). You can talk without being judged. I am thinking of getting some therapy soon, but I can’t talk about it with words. Just on a screen.

I hope you start to feel better soon, your husband seems lovely and supportive! X

Googlebrained · 27/01/2021 19:49

Readingandrighting I tried to send you a PM but your PMs are switched off. I basically said that modern therapies often do not require you to repeat details of the trauma. Instead you can work through the feelings that have arisen that you have suppressed, which can help you to move forward.

You would be in control of the pace of the therapy with a good therapist and you would have the autonomy not to answer questions that you don't wish to or are not ready to talk about. If the therapist is inadvertently insensitive, then you should be able to talk it through with them without them being defensive. Therapy should be collaborative and not retraumatising.

Your freeze response and your not really remembering what happened are classic responses to trauma.

It must be awful to have this happen with someone you had previously trusted. But this is not in any way your fault and totally down to his sense of entitlement and his misogynistic and abusive attitudes.

I hope you can find the right support for you as you deserve to heal.

Take care x

Googlebrained · 27/01/2021 19:50

*are classic responses to trauma and a natural survival instinct

PlinkPlink · 28/01/2021 10:21

@Googlebrained rape and sexual abuse counselling is different. You talk about what you want to talk about, when you want to talk about it.

For me personally, sorting through the timeline of what happened allowed me to gain some control over the mess in my head and allowed me to realise I was not the one at fault (despite having many people not believe me and indeed, tell me outright that they didnt)... talking through that trauma allowed me to feel indignant and outraged at the fact it even happened.

Googlebrained · 28/01/2021 11:55

[quote PlinkPlink]@Googlebrained rape and sexual abuse counselling is different. You talk about what you want to talk about, when you want to talk about it.

For me personally, sorting through the timeline of what happened allowed me to gain some control over the mess in my head and allowed me to realise I was not the one at fault (despite having many people not believe me and indeed, tell me outright that they didnt)... talking through that trauma allowed me to feel indignant and outraged at the fact it even happened.[/quote]
Yes you're right. What I was trying to say to the PP was that you don't have to talk about if you don't want to or that you can decide to do so at your own pace. She was worried about that. I didn't mean they'd refuse to let you if you wanted to. Sorry for the confusion.

I'm glad it's really helped you. That's the main thing. And I agree it's key to: be believed, and to not be blamed.

We should all be outraged and indignant that these things keep happening to women.

Miagems · 14/08/2021 18:38

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Opaljewel · 15/08/2021 11:09

Someone mentioned it earlier. And I just wanted to continue on this. Most people mention the fight or flight response to danger but not many talk about the third response which is to freeze. It is not your fault and it is a very normal response to danger and trauma. Not everyone acts the same. I hope you've manged to talk to a counsellor or rape crisis by now.

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