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My friend raped me and I don't know how to move on.

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frozenfawn · 20/01/2021 14:29

I’ve name changed for this because I just need to get this out somewhere. I can’t access counselling or therapy at the moment so I’m hoping taking a big deep breath and talking about it will help. It’s outing, I’ve fudged a few details, but if you’re someone I’d told you’d know it was me.

It's an essay I'm afraid...

In 2019 myself and my now-DH got engaged. My closest – male – friend started withdrawing from me, being standoffish etc. We had known each other for a number of years, pre-dating my knowing DH, and I was also friends with his wife. I went around to his house one evening to hang out, had what I thought was a nice time, and then the next day received an essay-length WhatsApp from him saying I wasn’t the same anymore, I never made time for/didn’t care about him, he felt neglected in favour of my relationship etc. (If that sounds familiar, I wrote a thread about it at the time.)

The whole thing stunk of jealousy, and his wife ended up sending him round to see me like a child to “make up”. The whole thing was utterly bizarre. I Have Issues from things that happened to me as a teen and found it all very upsetting – I have a deeply ingrained fear of being disliked/am terrified of people I care about being upset with me. It’s something I’m aware of and am working on, but at the time this incident completely blindsided me.

We were ostensibly still friends but didn’t speak anywhere near as often as we had before, but after the above incident I was okay with distancing a bit. The incident was around April. In December that year, he started texting me more again, wanting to hang out etc. I was pleased – I thought maybe he was wanting to get our friendship back to how it had been before, which I would have liked. Due to Christmas we couldn’t meet up until the New Year but it was nice speaking again, just texting about shared interests and our lives etc. I was reluctant to talk about DH so as not to set him off, which I look back on now and am so upset for myself walking on eggshells.

In the January we met at his house, his wife was out. He was touchy-feely in a way he had never been before – we had always kept a respectable physical distance. Joking about me sitting on his lap, playing a computer game that meant being cramped close to each other in close quarters etc.

At the end of the night he told me that he and his wife had opened their relationship. Before DH I, too, had been in open relationships, and he seemed to think I would jump at the chance to make our friendship physical. I said, probably overly nicely, that I wasn’t interested, and went home.

Over the next 2 weeks he assured me repeatedly that our friendship was the most important thing and he was totally happy that I’d said no.

We went out for a quiet drink at a pub – my suggestion, neutral and public ground – and had a lovely time. I thought it was Back To Normal. At the end of the evening we walked halfway home before each going our separate ways. We hugged goodbye (normal), but then he grabbed my bum and squeezed. As I pulled away, he also grabbed my breast. I kind of froze, tried to laugh it off, said goodnight and left.

From this point on it’s a mess. I was repeatedly raped as a teenager by an ex who acted in much the same way – seeming to prey on my inability to upset people and taking advantage of that. He told me he loved me and I didn’t want to hurt him; my friend was saying he loved me (platonically) now and I didn’t want to cause a drama or hurt anyone. I’ve had a lot of counselling in the past to deal with it, but I really wasn’t expecting to ever be in a similar situation again and it totally blindsided me.

My ‘friend’ invited me over (again a couple of weeks later) and I went, having told him again that I was in a monogamous relationship and not interested in more. He said again how being friends is most important etc. I didn’t want to lose him as a friend – we had been so close for a few years and nothing like this had ever happened before. I wanted to believe things would go back to normal and I would have my friend back. This friend knew about my history. Now, the cynic in me wonders if he used that playbook against me intentionally, knowing how I would likely react.

We were watching a movie together – normal activity for us – but when I went to get up to go to the loo he pulled me into his lap. He started touching me, kissing my boobs etc, and I just froze. I stared at the wall behind his head and froze. Eventually he stopped and I went to the loo and the night carried on like nothing had happened.

I knew deep down that I needed to leave and never see him again, but the pain of that loss combined with my existing trauma responses meant I was frozen. It felt like I was on autopilot. I didn’t want to let on that anything was wrong so I carried on as normal.

I went to his house one final time before lockdown, thinking it couldn’t possibly get worse than it already was and wanting things to be “fixed” and “normal” again. He did the same thing again, but this time kissed me. I let him. I felt 17 again, confused and hurt and betrayed and not wanting anyone to hate me. I was dying inside, but I let him. I know – believe me, I know – that my trauma response to this is beyond fucked up. I hate myself for it. He kept pushing for sex, and I just felt dead inside. I couldn’t leave to walk home, it was a long walk and late and dark, and I couldn’t call DH to collect me early because he would ask why. Most of all, I couldn’t handle the thought of the hurt and confrontation, I didn’t know what to do, so I basically played dead. I let him lay me down on the floor, where he raped me. I pretended everything was okay while inside I just curled up and died.

It was just like my ex when I was 17 – he was using it to claim ownership of me when he felt jealous. Exactly the same. I knew it deep down when it was happening but I didn’t want to believe it was true. I do know it fully now. It feels like it all played out in slow motion around me.

DH picked me up not long after, then lockdown happened. I spent the next 4 weeks a hollow shell, in so much pain, just broken. I kept acting like I was okay. ‘Friend’ kept texting to say how much fun he had had, I kept acting like things were fine, until one day I just couldn’t anymore. I went for a walk one evening and called my oldest friend and just broke down. I cried my eyes out to her in a field near my house. Then I went back and I told DH what had happened.

DH has been nothing short of unfailingly supportive; he knows my past and my issues, and I am so lucky to have him. I also confided in a couple of mutual friends who were also amazing. I told my ‘friend’ what had happened from my perspective and both he and his wife went apeshit. I didn’t use the word rape in my message but they knew that’s what I meant by how I felt and went on the defence in a huge way. I removed them both on my social media, blocked their numbers, and haven’t seen or spoken to them since.

But I just… can’t get over it. A lot of the time now I’m doing okay, until I’m not. I’m scared of being alone with men now, even colleagues, because I don’t trust what they might do even when they’ve been completely innocent up until that point.

It’s affecting how often I want to be intimate with DH; on bad days, I feel physically terrified of sex or even being kissed. I feel trapped and suffocated and like I can’t escape, just like I felt in that room. I feel like part of my mind is still there. I have flashbacks about it just like I have about the rapes when I was 17. Those have never gone away, but I’m numb to those ones now as it’s been so long (very long, we are all in our late 30s). These ones are so raw still.

I don’t want to keep talking to DH about it; we got married at the end of last year as planned (a tiny wedding within the restrictions) and he is so wonderful, I am so happy in my relationship and I don’t want him to have to deal with this burden, even though he is so understanding. I wish I could fast-forward to feeling numb about it like the other times. That just feels so far away right now.

TL;DR my friend raped me and I don’t know how to move on.

Please don't tell me how stupid I was to return to the situation after the first incident because believe me I know and I hate myself for it every day. I wish I was a strong person, the type that could have told him to fuck off and just walked away. Things in my past have broken me somewhat, and I though I was so much better but all it took was one incident and all that strength that was 15 years in the making just shattered instantly.

I don’t even know what I’m hoping to get out of this thread.

I guess I just needed to write it down.

OP posts:
DreamyDreamer333 · 20/01/2021 15:41

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 20/01/2021 15:42

I believe you and I'm sorry that happened to you.

You can get counselling online, and it can be very good.

As PP have said, speak to rape crisis. They are marvellous.

unmarkedbythat · 20/01/2021 15:45

You are not stupid, OP, far from it. This man knew what he was doing. This is entirely his fault. You did nothing wrong.

I am so glad your husband is a decent man and you have his support.

I don't know what you 'should' do with regards to reporting or otherwise- I do think your only priority here should be what helps you.

WhereverIGoddamnLike · 20/01/2021 15:45

@DreamyDreamer333

Strangers on the internet saying it in that tone won't help her, that's why we're not saying it like that. Counselling will help get her to the point were that comes up, and she therapies will help to build her up to she doesnt get into situations like that and continue to go back.

Gobbeldegook · 20/01/2021 15:45

Please speak to a rape counsellor, even if over the phone Flowers

randomer · 20/01/2021 15:46

I'm sorry but I am struggling to comprehend the whole thing. A male friend is jealous of your partner? Time to walk away and not look back surely?

hamstersarse · 20/01/2021 15:48

@DreamyDreamer333

Not really the time or the place for that comment.
OP has stated she knows all of that already.

Crownofthorns · 20/01/2021 15:48

I am so sorry that this happened to you - he clearly preyed on your vulnerability and past traumas and is despicable for doing so. But rape? I’m sorry, I don’t understand how you can say that he forced himself on you. He didn’t, you consented (however you felt inside about doing so).

I second the advice to seek counselling from a professional who can help you to process this.

FelicityWhiskers · 20/01/2021 15:50

I regrettably agree with @DreamyDreamer333

CandyLeBonBon · 20/01/2021 15:50

[quote littlepattilou]@WhereverIGoddamnLike

Regrettably, I agree with you.[/quote]
Same here. Similar happened to me and there's no point reporting it because it's too easy to introduce reasonable doubt. I think the important thing here is healing.

Raise crisis is a good starting point. You were clearly very damaged when you were younger and it's had a massive knock on effect. Thanks

nitsandwormsdodger · 20/01/2021 15:51

You need therapy from a psychiatrist , talking therapy counselling wont be enough

BrassicaRabbit · 20/01/2021 15:51

So sorry OP.

And I totally, utterly, understand your trauma reactions. I've been there.

I second PP advice about emdr. You want to work on the different traumatic events recent and historic. I found using a psychotherapist who was also emdr trained was good. It meant I fully trusted them & had built up a relationship, before working specifically on the trauma.

Well done for writing it all down and for talking to people close to you too. It is such a positive step towards healing.

AlbaAlba · 20/01/2021 15:52

Oh my god, that's awful, I'm so sorry. I can imagine (I've a male best friend) that the feeling of betrayal here would be terrible, on top of the shock and trauma of the rape itself.

This is definitely rape. You did not deserve this, and you did not in any way consent to it. If you watch the Tea / Consent video

this will be very clear. At no point did you provide the enthusiastic consent he should have been looking for.

Freezing and not fighting/running is a very very common reaction to the trauma of rape, (even without past trauma) which is why people are supposed to check for enthusiastic consent. Even returning as you did is completely understandable given your past history, which as you say, may well have been used by him to manipulate you. To continue the tea analogy, if you refused tea one day and went back, it doesn't imply you consent to tea the next day. You consented only to spending time with a friend.

I am so glad your DH is supporting you with this, and you have friends supporting you too. I strongly advise specialist support as you sound like you have the symptoms of PTSD, and given your past traumas, probably Complex-PTSD (C-PTSD). You CAN get counselling online or on the phone at present. You should be looking for a counsellor who specialises in C-PTSD, and the NICE approved treatment is EMDR. Given the background and how it had affected your behaviour I'd agree with a PP that another type of counselling is needed though I'm not sure which specialty, but something that's not basic counselling or CBT.

With help-EMDR especially-and the right type of counselling, you will be able to move on from this. It won't always be so horrible, or so vivid, and you will be able to enjoy sex with your DH again.

You've survived this before, and it's absolutely horrendous that you have to claw your way back once already, but the treatments are much improved over even 15 years ago, and you will manage to claw your way back again. Flowers

Colourmeclear · 20/01/2021 15:53

I'm sorry this happened to you. I am processing similar events in therapy right now. My very supportive partner has also agreed to take sex off the table until such a time that I'm ready again. The constant pull of wanting to seem 'normal', please my partner but having to say no was making me more unwell. We've just initiated sexual contact again and I feel much more in control. It might be something to consider to try and feet a little safer before reaching out.

Robbybobtail · 20/01/2021 15:56

Agree you need counselling OP. You did not owe this man a friendship but kept on going back despite him groping you as you didn’t want to hurt his feelings. I think he was well aware of your vulnerability and used it against you. I hope you get the help you need to be strong in situations where firm boundaries are needed.

It sounds like a lot of what happened is caught up with things that occurred in your past.

Rocket3000 · 20/01/2021 15:56

@Crownofthorns she can say it was rape because it was rape. Perhaps you've been lucky enough to have never found yourself is such a position where you are so scared of what's happening, that you can't do anything except hope that it will be over very soon. How did she consent? She repeatedly rebuffed him yet he continued to push himself on to her. Just because she wasn't screaming and kicking to get him off her.
OP, I'm so sorry for all you have been through. As others have said, you could really benefit from some help to deal not just with this, but everything in your past too. None of this is your fault xxxx

fourquenelles · 20/01/2021 15:57

@BestWatcherInTheUnit

Something similar happened to me (sexually assaulted by someone I trusted and thought I knew, didn’t see it coming). I definitely recognise the wanting to talk about it over and over but, you’re right, ultimately this won’t help you resolve it.

My experience is that normal counselling doesn’t cut it. You need to process the trauma. I had EMDR, done by a clinical psychologist. After that, we worked on all the historic stuff using a combination of CBT and EMDR. If you are in London I can recommend a psychologist (although she is doing everything virtually at the moment).

I wanted to highlight this post again as I was concerned when you say I wish I could fast-forward to feeling numb about it like the other times. My gut feeling (as that is all I have to go on here) is that going back to numb will not help you in overcoming your trauma. I really hope you can access the sort of help BestWatcherInTheUnit talks about.
AlbaAlba · 20/01/2021 15:58

To those few PP saying this isn't rape - if you, or your partner, is lying on the floor playing dead during sex, i.e. not enthusiastically consenting and participating, then I'm afraid you have something terribly wrong with your own situation/history/sex life.

OhCaptain · 20/01/2021 15:58

I came on to say what @WhereverIGoddamnLike said.

I do understand that the immediate thing is "report" but I really would caution against it.

I'm so very sorry that this has happened to you but (as you probably already know) reporting a rape is horrific. Getting any justice is worse. In this case - I just think you'll go through all of the trauma and won't get any justice or healing from it.

I'm really glad your DH is being supportive and 100% think you should speak to a counsellor who specialises in sexual assault.

But reporting? I really wouldn't. I'm so sorry.

AlbaAlba · 20/01/2021 16:01

If you're in the SW England, message me and I can recommend an excellent EMDR therapist & psychotherapist.

LemonBreeland · 20/01/2021 16:09

I am so sorry this happened to you. I agree with those saying that reporting it probably won't get anywhere. But I agree you need to be able to talk this through and possibly have some counselling to help you move on.

frozenfawn · 20/01/2021 16:10

Oh gosh I'm really crying now, I really didn't think so many of you would understand Sad just hearing people say they understand and they're sorry it happened feels... I don't know how to describe it. But it helps, so much. Thank you all Flowers

I know there are a few who don't understand certain things, I knew there would be when I posted. Its complex, but its so comforting (though also terrible knowing how many have also been through things like this) to know that I'm not alone Sad

I'm not intested in reporting and agree with the posters who know, as I do, that it would go nowhere.

I'm not sure what my local Rape Crisis are currently offering but will email them... I have heard of EMDR also so will look into it...

My main terror about accessing any kind of help is that I'll be met with the attitude some (understandably, its hard to understand if you haven't been through it or if thats not your own trauma response) have that because I was frozen and wanted things to magically become ok that I went back, which gave him access him to do it again/escalate, that I am to blame. Having done a lot of work on this previously I would describe myself as fitting C-PTSD and I go back and forth between hating and blaming myself, and having compassion for myself and the younger version of myself that made me this way Sad

But the worst part for me is that he knew my past and this trauma response - we had discussed it in depth a few times - and went ahead with what he did anyway. He knew that I freeze rather than fight or flight, he knew it was an intrinsic part of me, he knew what I would do in that situation but he did it regardless and claims to think I was actually enjoying myself Sad so I cannot bring myself to agree with the posters who think he couldn't have known because I went back.

Hopefully I can access something that helps, I don't mind waiting, I guess I just want to make sure its an environment where they understand (like so many of you in this thread Flowers ) rather than pick at me if that makes sense...

OP posts:
Dragongirl10 · 20/01/2021 16:14

op l am so sorry this man completely manipulated and took advantage of you.
You are not in the wrong in any way. He knew excactly how to lure you in with the promise of friendship then took advantage of your fraility.

HE IS COMPLETELY TO BLAME, he is a rapist.

I agree with other posters that you would benefit hugely from counselling.
Once lockdown is over, another thing that will help you to learn your own power and take back control is to take up a non contact martial art.
It will calm your anxieties and give you ownership of your body and it s strength, this is very empowering.Finding your strength physically will help you find your strength emotionally.

Also l am a fan or EMDR for trauma.

WhereverIGoddamnLike · 20/01/2021 16:15

A psychiatrist will not blame you. A therapist will not blame you. They will help your explore the problems which led to it, and help you overcome the need you felt to go back and be kind and friendly to this man who was being inappropriate towards you. Honestly, I think it is so so important that you can find your way through that to ensure you are in control from now on and then you can move past this.
Please look into someone you can talk with.

OhCaptain · 20/01/2021 16:15

@frozenfawn I just want to hug you.

You're absolutely right that he knew exactly what you would do and used it to his advantage.

The only reason you were raped is because you were in the company of a rapist. Nothing, NOTHING you did or said had anything to do with it.

And a counsellor WILL absolutely know that and help you deal with it.

Please, please stick to your instinct to be compassionate and kind to yourself. To your younger self and to who you are now.

I just want to hug you.

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