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My friend raped me and I don't know how to move on.

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frozenfawn · 20/01/2021 14:29

I’ve name changed for this because I just need to get this out somewhere. I can’t access counselling or therapy at the moment so I’m hoping taking a big deep breath and talking about it will help. It’s outing, I’ve fudged a few details, but if you’re someone I’d told you’d know it was me.

It's an essay I'm afraid...

In 2019 myself and my now-DH got engaged. My closest – male – friend started withdrawing from me, being standoffish etc. We had known each other for a number of years, pre-dating my knowing DH, and I was also friends with his wife. I went around to his house one evening to hang out, had what I thought was a nice time, and then the next day received an essay-length WhatsApp from him saying I wasn’t the same anymore, I never made time for/didn’t care about him, he felt neglected in favour of my relationship etc. (If that sounds familiar, I wrote a thread about it at the time.)

The whole thing stunk of jealousy, and his wife ended up sending him round to see me like a child to “make up”. The whole thing was utterly bizarre. I Have Issues from things that happened to me as a teen and found it all very upsetting – I have a deeply ingrained fear of being disliked/am terrified of people I care about being upset with me. It’s something I’m aware of and am working on, but at the time this incident completely blindsided me.

We were ostensibly still friends but didn’t speak anywhere near as often as we had before, but after the above incident I was okay with distancing a bit. The incident was around April. In December that year, he started texting me more again, wanting to hang out etc. I was pleased – I thought maybe he was wanting to get our friendship back to how it had been before, which I would have liked. Due to Christmas we couldn’t meet up until the New Year but it was nice speaking again, just texting about shared interests and our lives etc. I was reluctant to talk about DH so as not to set him off, which I look back on now and am so upset for myself walking on eggshells.

In the January we met at his house, his wife was out. He was touchy-feely in a way he had never been before – we had always kept a respectable physical distance. Joking about me sitting on his lap, playing a computer game that meant being cramped close to each other in close quarters etc.

At the end of the night he told me that he and his wife had opened their relationship. Before DH I, too, had been in open relationships, and he seemed to think I would jump at the chance to make our friendship physical. I said, probably overly nicely, that I wasn’t interested, and went home.

Over the next 2 weeks he assured me repeatedly that our friendship was the most important thing and he was totally happy that I’d said no.

We went out for a quiet drink at a pub – my suggestion, neutral and public ground – and had a lovely time. I thought it was Back To Normal. At the end of the evening we walked halfway home before each going our separate ways. We hugged goodbye (normal), but then he grabbed my bum and squeezed. As I pulled away, he also grabbed my breast. I kind of froze, tried to laugh it off, said goodnight and left.

From this point on it’s a mess. I was repeatedly raped as a teenager by an ex who acted in much the same way – seeming to prey on my inability to upset people and taking advantage of that. He told me he loved me and I didn’t want to hurt him; my friend was saying he loved me (platonically) now and I didn’t want to cause a drama or hurt anyone. I’ve had a lot of counselling in the past to deal with it, but I really wasn’t expecting to ever be in a similar situation again and it totally blindsided me.

My ‘friend’ invited me over (again a couple of weeks later) and I went, having told him again that I was in a monogamous relationship and not interested in more. He said again how being friends is most important etc. I didn’t want to lose him as a friend – we had been so close for a few years and nothing like this had ever happened before. I wanted to believe things would go back to normal and I would have my friend back. This friend knew about my history. Now, the cynic in me wonders if he used that playbook against me intentionally, knowing how I would likely react.

We were watching a movie together – normal activity for us – but when I went to get up to go to the loo he pulled me into his lap. He started touching me, kissing my boobs etc, and I just froze. I stared at the wall behind his head and froze. Eventually he stopped and I went to the loo and the night carried on like nothing had happened.

I knew deep down that I needed to leave and never see him again, but the pain of that loss combined with my existing trauma responses meant I was frozen. It felt like I was on autopilot. I didn’t want to let on that anything was wrong so I carried on as normal.

I went to his house one final time before lockdown, thinking it couldn’t possibly get worse than it already was and wanting things to be “fixed” and “normal” again. He did the same thing again, but this time kissed me. I let him. I felt 17 again, confused and hurt and betrayed and not wanting anyone to hate me. I was dying inside, but I let him. I know – believe me, I know – that my trauma response to this is beyond fucked up. I hate myself for it. He kept pushing for sex, and I just felt dead inside. I couldn’t leave to walk home, it was a long walk and late and dark, and I couldn’t call DH to collect me early because he would ask why. Most of all, I couldn’t handle the thought of the hurt and confrontation, I didn’t know what to do, so I basically played dead. I let him lay me down on the floor, where he raped me. I pretended everything was okay while inside I just curled up and died.

It was just like my ex when I was 17 – he was using it to claim ownership of me when he felt jealous. Exactly the same. I knew it deep down when it was happening but I didn’t want to believe it was true. I do know it fully now. It feels like it all played out in slow motion around me.

DH picked me up not long after, then lockdown happened. I spent the next 4 weeks a hollow shell, in so much pain, just broken. I kept acting like I was okay. ‘Friend’ kept texting to say how much fun he had had, I kept acting like things were fine, until one day I just couldn’t anymore. I went for a walk one evening and called my oldest friend and just broke down. I cried my eyes out to her in a field near my house. Then I went back and I told DH what had happened.

DH has been nothing short of unfailingly supportive; he knows my past and my issues, and I am so lucky to have him. I also confided in a couple of mutual friends who were also amazing. I told my ‘friend’ what had happened from my perspective and both he and his wife went apeshit. I didn’t use the word rape in my message but they knew that’s what I meant by how I felt and went on the defence in a huge way. I removed them both on my social media, blocked their numbers, and haven’t seen or spoken to them since.

But I just… can’t get over it. A lot of the time now I’m doing okay, until I’m not. I’m scared of being alone with men now, even colleagues, because I don’t trust what they might do even when they’ve been completely innocent up until that point.

It’s affecting how often I want to be intimate with DH; on bad days, I feel physically terrified of sex or even being kissed. I feel trapped and suffocated and like I can’t escape, just like I felt in that room. I feel like part of my mind is still there. I have flashbacks about it just like I have about the rapes when I was 17. Those have never gone away, but I’m numb to those ones now as it’s been so long (very long, we are all in our late 30s). These ones are so raw still.

I don’t want to keep talking to DH about it; we got married at the end of last year as planned (a tiny wedding within the restrictions) and he is so wonderful, I am so happy in my relationship and I don’t want him to have to deal with this burden, even though he is so understanding. I wish I could fast-forward to feeling numb about it like the other times. That just feels so far away right now.

TL;DR my friend raped me and I don’t know how to move on.

Please don't tell me how stupid I was to return to the situation after the first incident because believe me I know and I hate myself for it every day. I wish I was a strong person, the type that could have told him to fuck off and just walked away. Things in my past have broken me somewhat, and I though I was so much better but all it took was one incident and all that strength that was 15 years in the making just shattered instantly.

I don’t even know what I’m hoping to get out of this thread.

I guess I just needed to write it down.

OP posts:
RandomMess · 20/01/2021 18:48

I hope you get the support you need

He is a vile predator Angry

ktp100 · 20/01/2021 18:48

Someone who knows about your past trauma and still does that is a grade A piece of shit!!

I think I'd have to report him, OP. Just speaking to the Police, even if they don't press charges, will draw a definite line between you and him and send the clear message that you will not take any more shit from him.

100% speak to rape crisis. They will have heard this before, unfortunately, and will help you find someone to talk to who can help you process things.

I'm so sorry you're going through this, OP. Your DH sounds amazing. I'm so pleased he's supporting you through it.

Writing here was a good step. Well done.x.

Staffy1 · 20/01/2021 19:06

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IHateUserName · 20/01/2021 19:06

Adding my voice to those telling you not to blame yourself OP. The ONLY reason this POS raped you is because he is a rapist. And the chillingly manipulative and relentess way he went about it while knowing about your past traumas and how you would react is truly frightening and evil. Nothing you did caused his actions - you didn't want this, you didn't ask for it, you didn't lead him on or confuse him with unclear signals, your flight/fight/freeze response kicking in with frozen terror was not unspoken consent that he misunderstood. He chose to rape you knowing full well what he was doing, and that is all on him.

Please, please get therapy of some sort. I waited years to deal with my traumas and it has negatively affected my life in every way every day since. Sending you lots of love and hugs. You have been so brave to talk about this. Flowers

Also sending lots of love and hugs to you @MarieIVanArkleStinks Sounds like we experienced much the same things and reacted in much the same way. To this day I can't think of that frozen, paralyzed terror and the slide into unconsciousness desperately trying to escape the inescapable without feeling sick to my stomach.

Beautiful3 · 20/01/2021 19:10

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Neversleepingever · 20/01/2021 19:11

Oh darling. I'm so sorry those awful things happened to you. I want to reach through my phone and give you an enormous cuddle. What happened wasn't fair and wasn't right.

You will heal from this. You will survive.

All the best poppet xx

GinandGingerBeer · 20/01/2021 19:13

None of your decisions or choices caused a man to rape you.
He chose that. You did not.
Please give yourself the compassion you would give to a friend who had been through this.
You are clearly and understandably traumatised and I hope you get the support you need and deserve.
It must have been so hard to type that out. I'm so sorry this happened to you Thanks

OhCaptain · 20/01/2021 19:14

Seriously, what the fuck are some of you playing at with these responses??

Ask yourselves why you feel the need to say some of this shit to a woman in pain. A victim in pain.

She has said she's not going to report so telling her that HER behaviour means a report to the police is futile is utterly, utterly cuntish.

Telling her that HER behaviour should serve as some sort of warning to other women is utterly, utterly cuntish.

Honestly, have a look deep inside at why you felt the need to post that shite and then do something to fix what's wrong with you. Because there is absolutely something wrong with you.

And she's already fucking said she cut contact.

IHateUserName · 20/01/2021 19:16

Staffy1 if you are too ignorant to know what you are talking about maybe have the good sense not to post at all! Many PP on this thread alone have already explained why the OP's judgement was impaired by her past trauma's. As OP has made clear, this "friend" knew of her past and of her likely response to further trauma. He did not misread signals or get confused, he knew perfectly well his advances were unwelcome but still continued to rape her - because he is a rapist! And frankly a victim lying there in terror too frozen with fear to move while they are being raped is very, very different to a willing and active participant in mutual sex!

OP is going through a horrendous trauma that will stay with her for years and of which it sounds like you have very little understanding or idea of. Do not add to her devastation with ignorant and frankly stupid judgementalism of something you obviously don't understand.

Someone1987 · 20/01/2021 19:20

This may sound an odd question but when is consent not consent?
I've had occasions where I've not been interested but gone along with it. Is that rape??! As I wouldn't have thought it was

BillMasheen · 20/01/2021 19:21

The only reason you were raped is because you were in the company of a rapist. Nothing, NOTHING you did or said had anything to do with it

I agree.. what he did was fucking terrifying. He knew damn well what he was doing. Well done for blocking the piece of shit.

And don’t put yourself down for freezing. Logically it’s got to be the safest thing to do when someone bigger and stronger than you wants something. Freeze, play dead. Let them do it. Walk away to live another day. If you had fought, he you’d have used force too and you would never have won that.

Im always surprised when anyone questions the freeze response. It’s so obviously the best strategy anyway, and there’s a powerful self preservation instinct driving it. I guess anyone who doubts that hasn’t ever been in that kind of terrifying situation.

BlackIsBlackIsBlack · 20/01/2021 19:21

Please please get the help you very much need. I have been able to access counselling through lockdown. You can do it over the telephone or webcam.

yetmorenamechanging · 20/01/2021 19:26

@Someone1987

This may sound an odd question but when is consent not consent? I've had occasions where I've not been interested but gone along with it. Is that rape??! As I wouldn't have thought it was

What sort of person wants to have sex with someone who is just going along with it ie doesn't really want to.

It's a horrible realisation.

The idea that if you a) wore the wrong type of clothes or b) were drinking or c) were in a certain location or d) were breathing "didn't say no" so were therefore "up for it" or "he couldn't know you didn't want it" are all bollocks.

Sex is an enjoyable act between two (or more) people who actively want to be doing it. Anything else is an abuse of power.

Rape is to sex what punching someone is to massage.

oakleaffy · 20/01/2021 19:30

Mum aged 40’s was attempted to be raped by a National Serviceman in the Esterel region of France.
She said her instinct was to live.. and she was on the ground, but thought
“I must mark him physically in some way if I am hurt- or worse-“
So she bit him as hard as she could.

He seemed to come to his senses and actually let her go- physically unharmed- and rode off on his motorbike.

It was likely he’d need medical help for a human bite.

She is very small and meek normally, but instinct took over.

She could have been killed.

Perp never caught as police at the time were of the attitude. “
You walk alone , Madame? In the Esterel!?
Mum couldn’t bear to take it further.
One hopes police have changed attitudes by now though.

SpaceBlanket · 20/01/2021 19:30

Rape is to sex what punching someone is to massage.

This analogy makes no sense!

yetmorenamechanging · 20/01/2021 19:33

OP another saying your responses were totally normal - and I'd actually say very healthy responses to an unhealthy situation. Your body and mind were protecting you. You're not broken, nothing is "wrong" with you, you're just responding to a type of injury. Help to recover from that injury is needed but think of it this way, if you were feeling totally fine about what happened, if didn't matter to you and you carried on perfectly normally, taking into consideration your previous closeness to him and your personal history, then it would be a worrying response.

It doesn't make it feel better, any of it, but you responded perfectly healthily at the time as you are now. The person who is broken and unhealthy (in a number of ways) is him.

BlackIsBlackIsBlack · 20/01/2021 19:33

"If you only consent because you want the other person to stop pressuring or threatening you, you didn’t really consent".

yetmorenamechanging · 20/01/2021 19:35

@SpaceBlanket

Rape is to sex what punching someone is to massage.

This analogy makes no sense!

Sex is caring, sensual and good for the individual. So is massage.

Rape is a form of penetration but it's got nothing to do with what sex actually is - it can't happen with consent.

Punching is a form of touch, like massage, but it's also not what you do to someone you want to make feel good and is virtually always non consensual.

Someone1987 · 20/01/2021 19:37

@yetmorenamechanging thanks for replying..

I don't suppose it matters now as it was years ago, but my bf cheated on me, but I forgave him and arranged to meet him and he said let's do something daring..so we went to the woods and I was face up against the tree and you know the rest. I didn't want to but did...so I did consent?

faithfulbird20 · 20/01/2021 19:44

I'm so sorry this happened to you. Please don't blame yourself it was not your fault. They both seem predatory. I hope they're not doing it to others. I'd send him a long letter via post expressing clearly how you feel. It will take time to deal with this but please be kind to yourself. At least you have a supportive partner. I hope at some point you report him so it's on his record. Not everyone is like that but you're right to feel cautious. I hope you get some sort of justice.

BaggoMcoys · 20/01/2021 20:23

Hey op, I read through your first post and only skimmed through the rest but just wanted to say a couple of things.

I noticed in your op how you keep justifying why you went back to his house etc... Well I would have reacted in the exact same way as you I suspect. I understand why you did what you did, I know a lot of people wouldn't get it. None of it justifies what he did. Your DH sounds like a great guy.

I was diagnosed as having ctpsd a few years ago. I started seeing a private counsellor and even though I didn't talk in explicit detail about the root issues, I feel it helped me a lot. I would recommend counselling for you. The nightmares and flashbacks etc.. they have diminished. I hardly get them at all these days. I hope tha reassures you. I get a bit panicky in certain situations with men in particular, but nothing that holds me back in life. And tbh I think a bit of fear is useful at times, it's just about making sure it's appropriate to the situation. I know you'll get there. I'm glad you plan to seek help. Good luck to you.

AlbaAlba · 20/01/2021 20:30

@EarthSight

Just because one therapist or type of therapy doesn't work, doesn't mean none will. I've had counselling/talking therapy provided through work services which has been useless for my level of trauma, and I've had top quality EMDR and psychotherapy which has helped incredibly.

EarthSight · 20/01/2021 21:40

@AlbaAlba Totally agree. Also, I think talking therapy is valuable. It just depends on a person's needs and it wasn't for me. I was expecting more input, more insight from them. Just more insight and gentle investigation, but like I said, it was like talking to a wall, as nice as she was.

Finding the right type of therapy is key.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/01/2021 22:17

I'm so sorry about what's happened to you, OP - others have given great advice but I just wanted to add that face to face counselling is definitely still happening

No doubt a rape crisis centre can point you in the right direction, or failing that you could look on here (you can select it for F2F counsellors)

www.counselling-directory.org.uk/

sleepyhead1980 · 20/01/2021 22:26

Please know this was not your fault at all. I completely understand the frozen response. I'm so sorry this happened to you.

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