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Husband’s confession of ‘minor’ dalliances

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Whatdirection · 29/12/2020 16:35

My head is all over the place and l do not know what to do or think.

About four months ago my husband confessed to three ‘minor’ dalliances about 25-27 years ago. They involved him going out, getting very drunk and kissing three different women. The first time was when our oldest son was 3 months old. The other two occasions he cannot place but the last one could possibly have been close to when we got married. His memory is hazy and when pressed for details, he is unable to give much information. Therefore l know l cannot totally trust his version of events and there might be more to these stories.

For some context, l got pregnant very quickly into our relationship and we had only known each other a year when our son was born. We loved each other very much though and were totally committed to each other.

The first two occasions involved him going out with a group of men (one - a stag do) Although l feel sick about it, due to the intense pressure we were under and his relatively young age (he was 25/26) l do feel l can see how it might have happened.

However the third occasion involved him going out with just one other friend, meeting two other women and going back to their flat. He admits going into the woman’s bedroom but insists no more than a kiss happened. I cannot get past this - he has always been a very moral guy so l am staggered that he didn’t learn from the past two mistakes and repeated the same behaviour again.

My husband has said he has felt terrible about these events for years. He has apologised and expressed remorse. However he has also continually minimised his behaviour by blaming it on drink and saying it was not like he had an affair and he never planned any of it and has repeatedly said ‘ l am not like that’

He said these events have always haunted him and he felt they were a stain on our marriage. He said he didn’t want to die without telling me. He said he hoped as we had a happy marriage l would be able to forgive him. He feels he has been a good husband over the years. It almost feels like he thinks he now has enough ‘credit’ in the bank of our marriage to weather this behaviour.

I do not share such a rosy view of our marriage. He does have good qualities and he can be lovely. But he also can be grumpy, over sensitive , needy, demanding and there have been crunch times where it has felt his needs have triumphed over mine.

I feel l am questioning everything about him and our marriage. I feel so angry and am deeply disappointed in him. His ‘funny little ways’ that l guess we all have now seem intolerable. We have not been physically intimate since and the thought of being so makes me feel sick.

We have started having some marriage counselling. The counsellor thinks he was a bit young and a bit stupid but the drink affected him and he hasn’t done it since. She even used the term ‘mitigating circumstances ‘ to describe the context.

Please help me make some sense of all this. Am l over- reacting, should l cut him more slack? Or should l pay attention to my spidery senses that tell me that something is very wrong here.

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BlueThistles · 29/12/2020 16:59

your are NOT over reacting ... unless your friends are also having the occasional dalliances ... it's let call it what it is... Infidelity and faithful... not a minor dalliance 🌺

Whatdirection · 29/12/2020 17:00

We have had some very difficult discussions about it. He even told the counsellor he felt traumatised by confessing as he had behaved so against his values. There has been an attempt by him to try and share his pain with me but l won’t go there.

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SandyY2K · 29/12/2020 17:06

Your counsellor is useless.

Your feelings ate justified and your DH really doesn't get it. He obviously thinks he's a super dooper husband.... somewhat deluded he is.

Preparedtobetoldimwrong · 29/12/2020 17:12

I often read bits of Mumsnet to DH as he is a lot more rational than me and watches less soaps and dramas. His theories:
He has recently become religious
He has received a diagnosis of something and it has scared him
He is still in touch with a women that he had more than a kiss with and she has threatened to tell
There is a child somewhere

No way has he just suddenly decided to come clean for no reason other than the stress of lockdown.

HollowTalk · 29/12/2020 17:13

Bloody hell, your counsellor should be struck off. How dare she call alcohol and his mates "mitigating circumstances"? I really wonder why he's told you this now - I don't believe that if he did that 3 times, he's still suffering guilt now.

Whatdirection · 29/12/2020 17:13

You are right Sandy. It feels like he just doesn’t get it. I have got so frustrated when talking to him about it. Time and time again, l have said how his minimising comments make feel. He says he understands. Then a week later we have another talk and out comes the ‘l was drunk, that really isn’t me’ comment. He says he panics and thinks we are going to split. He says he is trying to save our marriage by ‘explaining’ himself in that way.

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Whatdirection · 29/12/2020 17:15

He is religious, Prepared, - he is Catholic. He went to confession a few times afterwards.

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theverygrumpysanta · 29/12/2020 17:18

I'd get a new marriage councillor... 'mitigating circumstances.' Were the mitigating circumstances by any chance him being a massive knob? Something all 18 year olds learn; alcohol is never an excuse. For a marriage councillor to say that...awful.

Lets be honest...no-one in their 20s (as you said he was at the time) goes into a someones bedroom just for kissing. And men in their 20s? Definitely not.

I won't give a view on whether you should/shouldn't leave him. BUT, 25-27 years to tell you? If he felt that bad he wouldn't have held out for that long. Something, other than lockdown, has made him tell you and him saying he felt 'traumatised' is an attempt by him to wiggle out of it.

Whatdirection · 29/12/2020 17:18

Also in the past he has had some counselling for OCD. The therapist did give him a diagnosis of suffering from mild OCD. This mainly comes out through being very concerned with locking doors and turning cookers off. But he can be very rigid in his thinking at times and sometimes difficult to live with.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 29/12/2020 17:19

He has also seemed so moral with a really strong sense of right and wrong

So did mine - real pillar of the community, traditional gentleman kind of thing - until I learned he started using prostitutes as a teenager and continued all through 30 plus years of marriage

I doubt you'll get past this without full disclosure and frankly the "Covid pressure" excuse is an insult to the intelligence, so I only hope his moral stance can extend to telling you the truth - because right now I very much doubt you're getting it

KirstenBlest · 29/12/2020 17:20

If he says '3' there's probably a whole lot more.
If he says 'a kiss' it was probably a shag.

There's a lot more to this.

Sorry.

pinkdragons · 29/12/2020 17:22

He sounds exhausting. In your shoes I would use this an a reason for a trial separation. And see if that works out better for me. Life is short.

Jobsharenightmare · 29/12/2020 17:25

I'm with the others. He wasn't married to you when the first 'dalliances' happened so why the awful guilt. I suggest that what has really happened is a pattern of physical and sexual cheating that is much more recent and extensive and it's that causing him to feel so awful in the context of his faith.

Whatdirection · 29/12/2020 17:27

Yes Pink, he can be draining and hard work. I think that’s why l am struggling to forgive. Because then l would have to return to my marriage as it was. And l am not sure l can do that. It’s like the scales have been taken from my eyes and l am seeing things more clearly. But then l don’t know if l am being harsh and horrible. I think l may have a problem with boundaries. My parents had a dreadful marriage and my Dad was abusive. My marriage has been so much better than theirs that maybe l struggle to see things clearly.

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Sssloou · 29/12/2020 17:27

You are getting nowhere with him.

It’s all on his emotionally deluded terms

-him making “a mistake” (repeatedly at least 3 times - that’s careless / inept)

  • his guilt traumatising him so much - but “can’t remember the details” - only as far as going into someone’s bedroom and stopped at kissing!?!
  • him unburdening onto you
  • him getting in a panic when you want to talk it through

None of this revelation is to help you and he is not soothing you - just himself.

Don’t waste you breath on him any further.

Concentrate on yourself. Pay attention to YOUR feelings - I suspect that there is soooooo much more to this and all of those icks you have endured and denied will tell you something. Stand back so that you can observe. Get some counselling yourself.

No one puts their marriage on the line around a few drunken snogs - unless he wants to or there is something else.

GabsAlot · 29/12/2020 17:28

so hes offloading to ease his own conscience how nice of him

i agree if you want to stay married get a different counsellor-what mitigating circumstances were they holding a gun to his head or something

Lollyneenah · 29/12/2020 17:28

I'd make him get checked for STDs. Bitter experience here, they always give you what they believe is a more 'palatable truth' before the real changer drops.

Whatdirection · 29/12/2020 17:33

It’s a relief to read all these comments. I have kept thinking l am overreacting.

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SandyY2K · 29/12/2020 17:36

Can I suggest that if he is truly sorry...then he should look/join www.survivinginfidelity.com and post in the wayward spouse forum.

Just because this was 25 years ago....doesn't make it okay and he really needs to understand that this is new to you...he's had years to deal with it...but it might as well have been yesterday for you.

It seems like he wants you to get over it and STFU.... it doesn't work like that and also readying how a betrayed spouse feels on the same website would give him some insight.

He needs to get it

BlueThistles · 29/12/2020 17:37

@Whatdirection

It’s a relief to read all these comments. I have kept thinking l am overreacting.

your certainly not over reacting 🌺

Willfiasco · 29/12/2020 17:43

@KirstenBlest

If he says '3' there's probably a whole lot more. If he says 'a kiss' it was probably a shag.

There's a lot more to this.

Sorry.

It’s unknowable isn’t it. 3 kisses 20+ years ago wouldn’t bother me. Also your counsellor is rubbish.
Whatdirection · 29/12/2020 17:44

Thank you Sandy. I will show him that. It feels like l am having to work so much harder at this than he is. The process l am going through can feel so painful - it’s like grief. Every day it is there, dominating my mind. I don’t feel it’s the same for him at all.

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ravenmum · 29/12/2020 17:48

This thing about him claiming not to be that kind of person rings bells with me. My exh also didn't see himself as being the cheating type, while having affairs. In his case, my theory is that he wasn't able to admit weakness/doing anything wrong because his parents ridiculed him whenever he did anything "stupid". So he couldn't even be honest about it with himself. Perhaps in your dh's case it has something to do with his religion.

Whatdirection · 29/12/2020 17:49

All these posts indicating there could be so much more. I don’t know how l can find this out. Maybe l need to sit him down and put him on the spot in a way that somehow gets him to say more. He has always been a terrible liar and always been one for expressing how he feels. That’s why it seems so incredible that he has kept this to himself all these years.

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ravenmum · 29/12/2020 17:50

He said he didn’t want to die without telling me.
Could perhaps be Covid and facing his mortality that has brought on the confession.