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NEED SOME RAPID ADVICE NOW domestic abuse situation

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milkmonster · 24/10/2007 11:50

Im spinning this off quick as he's in the shed for half an hour scuse spelling etc. Together 5 years have 6month old baby has been pysical emotional and mental abuse for last 4 years has got worse since baby though he not violent physically anymre since she born. today feels like last straw for me trip to see my family planned, its my birthday today, my sister has taken time off work specially to see, it s half term so babys cousins can visit her, family lives 300 miles away, my boyfriend has pulled out of the trip he does this many many times in the past uses it to blackmail me into being 'good'i know this all sounds cliched but its real, i rent this house, he is not on the tenacny, he is not supposed o be living here due to tenancy conditions, because of whats happened today i feel like calling the landlady round and asking her to have him move out, but he says hell start smashing the house up cos im the tenant ill be responsible for the damage he says, he will do it, he has alrady damamged the house and contents previously.

he does have places to go, hoe owns his own house though hecant live in it hes a hoarder, but he has freinds to go to.

is there any wya i can avoid him smashing the house, nce the landlady leaves after telling him to go hell just come back half hour later, i really want to avoid involving police as it will make it worse for me, he has even said before he';d kidnap the baby if id did naything like this.

what does anyone think?

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milkmonster · 04/12/2007 02:08

Hello everyone,

A lot has happened since I last posted and because of the continued support whilst I havent been on this forum I feel so grateful and compelled to write a last post just to thank you all and let you know it's OVER (or it will be by this Friday...

The landlady has given him 3 days to move himself and his possessions out of the house as she said it is a breach of the tenancy agreement and that she is liable too if he stays there as I am claiming housing benefit for this house and he is not officially allowed to live here as he owns his own property elsewhere.

This happened today, Monday. His response has been to open an extra bottle of wine (he's usually up to 2 bottles a night)and regale me with the usual C-swear word and that he would miss his daughter but would "get over it".

I think I wrote before that he has not been physically abusive at me since I was pregnant and I honestly thought he wouldn't hit me again, but just a week ago he was up at 3am making a racket loud enough to wake the baby so I demanded of him was he aware the noise he was making , was he still drunk or something?,and he punched me in the back of the head because I said that. I want to say serves me right, cos he was drunk and that was a provocative thing to say on reflection.

He hasnt actually punched me properly before,(this was with knuckles)so that along with the fact I was convinced he wasn't going to be hitting anymore really shocked me, and I had a lightbulb moment(about time)that if he incapacitated me I might not be able to look after my baby. He hit me on top of the head once with a roll of brown packaging tape and I nearly blacked out (who'd think a roll of tape could be such a weapon!)and if that happened again, if I went into a coma or just out of it for a few hours, I couldtn care for my baby..

He is planning to disconnect all the internet access and take the PC probaby on Friday and it's unlikely I can use the library computers as not really possible with a baby (noisy bubba) so if I dont get back to the board in the near future, this is why. Friday will be ok, he is very slow at getting round to things so may even not get around to disconnecting the internet yet, but I just want you all to know and anyone who's in a similar situation, everyone can advise you till you're blue in the face to 'get out quick'but I think it takes a huge brave first step to initiate that process. I am utterly convinced my recently departed Aunt who was my closest family and who knows me intuitively and of this situation, has been helping to bring this situation about from her new cloud-level.

I dont think I could ever have done it myself, ringing the police, going to the refuge, I kept making excuses, forgetting that it was always a battlefield with occassional ceasefires and not the other way around.

ThaNKYOU everyone xxxxxxxx

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HansieMom · 04/12/2007 02:52

Thank goodness! I'm so pleased you are almost rid of this horrible man! Good riddance to bad rubbish! Do you think he will leave you absolutely alone now? If he wants to visit baby, you don't have to let him in the house. It can be done at a contact center. I've been checking your thread for weeks hoping for an update. Well done!

ABudafulSightWereHappyTonight · 04/12/2007 06:24

Is he completely clear that not only is he moving out but the relationship is over?

I hope it all goes well and he leaves peacefully.

Kerri28 · 04/12/2007 11:05

thank god you are ok mm, have been so worried about you. Good luck with the next stage of your life, and if you do get the chance to post to let us all know how you're doing, we'd love to hear from you - you're an inspiration to others in your situation. Well Done

sagitta · 04/12/2007 12:16

So glad to hear he is gone - hopefully for good. Congratulations on starting your new life. Keep in touch if you can.

Anonymama · 04/12/2007 13:58

Really glad to hear from you MM. A lot of MNers were really worried for you.

Couldn't work out from your thread (crammed with news) whether you had actually spoken to the police. If not, might be worth you making contact with them and asking for someone to be present on Friday when he moves out. Also, can your landlady change the locks on your doors, or could you contact your local women's refuge to get financial assistance with this?

I (and many reading this) will know exactly what you mean when you say you had the "lightbulb" moment. There will still be times ahead when you seriously consider re-starting the relationship - but you know now in your heart of hearts, that this relationship can only damage you and your daughter. Be strong. I was in a similar situation seven years ago. Leaving an abusive partner is a really hard thing to do, but within six months I felt so liberated and happy again, and years later life is better than it ever was then. You too will be happy, feel safe, and enjoy your life in the future.

At some point, when you manage to get internet access, get back in touch with your MN friends and let us know how things are going for you. Good luck

LOVEMYMUM · 04/12/2007 18:28

Hi. Going to be brief as DH needs to computer to do some work:

  1. Wonderful that you are getting rid of him.
  1. Is he aware relationship is over?
  1. Asking him to be quiet at 3 am is NOT provoking him and you DID NOT deserve to be punched.
  1. Really good to hear from you.

Sorry - DH has work to do!!

maviscrewit · 06/12/2007 14:36

Well done MM, I am so pleased for you and relieved, but sorry you had to go through being hit by him. I know and lots of other people know how hard it is to make that first move to change your life. Please don't worry about it, just be so so so happy that your new life is starting. I have nothing but total respect for you. Best of luck for you and your daughter xxx PS thanks for posting too, have been very worried about you! PPS noone deserves to be hit, and it wasn't your fault, but I guess deep down you know that.

Shinyhappymummy · 10/12/2007 21:46

I am so so happy to hear this!!!!! I took a similar step earlier this year and it is life changing..... DO NOT MAKE THE MISTAKE I HAVE AND TRY BE FRIENDLY JUST YET!! Being on civilised grounds does come with time but for now you need to keep your back up.I take it you havent been back on here to let us know how it went but if anyone has heard please give me a shout.

MommalovesHerSpanglyXmasName · 14/12/2007 01:06

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milkmonster · 17/12/2007 02:13

Well, he moved out a week ago now as the landlady gave me notice because he was living here, requesting that he remove himself and all his belongings. He has removed 95% of his stuff, difficult as his own house is cluttered floor to ceiling so there is little room for more stuff. He has suggested that I should pretend his stuff is mine if the landlady asks as he can't accommodate it and that I should really be helping him out financially with his moving out, "because that's what a nice person would do" he says (he didn't contribute when we moved into this house!)

He has no heating or hot water in his house and is living like a tramp in there as he's a 'hoarder', eating noodles and not washing (knowing him). I do feel very sorry for him. He still has about 2 more trips at least to remove the last of his belongings from my house, using these opportunities to bring his laundry, eat and bath I suspect.

He has said our relationship is 'on hold'. He is being very amicable, but still occassionally calling me swear-names and being very aggressive verbally.

As he wants to see our baby daughter I can't see how I can stop him, so that I envisage once he has removed the last of his stuff, he's still going to be 'popping round' .

As for the internet which he threatened to disconnect, luckily he has left it here, I (obviously) have to now pay the internet bill, yet he keeps the internet account password so he can access his emails, meaning I have no control over my own financial details or user-ability on the account (typical).

It isn't the abrupt end-of-everything-all-contact-whatsoever I was dreaming of. He's still texting and phoning. All I can hope is contact will gradually peter out. Otherwsie I have to seriously think of moving.

To be honest, I know this will sound ridiculous and may make people look aghast, but you have to remember I did love this man and he was kind in the beginning; when he is nice and amicable you forget what he can be like. I miss the good side of him, even though my daily life is now happy and exciting without him here, I wish he could return to how he was, that must still be inside him soemwhere, that potential.

He said that it is my fault for how he has behaved, that I provoked him, I admit I have had flaming great rows with him started by me, but do you think he can not forgive himself for how he's been to me so can't return to his old good self. Do yuo think deep down the good part of him must secretly hate himself but he doesn't know how or if he can forgive himself, therefore he will never change towards me, because I remind him of how low he got?

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TwinklyfLightAttendant · 17/12/2007 06:38

I feel like giving up. I don't think there is anything we can say to you, MM, that will stop you thinking he's a good person underneath - well of course everyone has that potential but the man you used to love wasn't real, it was only a pretence - or at least, it was only 'half' a man. The rest of him is ugly and nasty.
I know how much you can love someone despite their abusing you, because of their 'other side', but the point is, the bad side isn't worth waiting around for the good side to show up again. Because it will be very rare that it does.
Surek, he could change if he put his mind to it, but it would literally take years of therapy. Seriously. And he WILL NOT change if you show any signs of staying or having him back, because he won't have a reaosn to.

I am glad you are in control to a degree now, but he is expecting you to give him - he knows it's only a matter of time. Sure he doesn't want to be an evil bastard, but he can't help it, and that is why you need to get the hell away from him. HE CAN'T HELP IT. he's not in control of his own reactions and that is what puts you and your child at risk.

My grandfather was an alcoholic and used to beat up his entire family, for years - they are all very damaged indeed - but he changed later on, it was only after my Grandma threw him out and steadfastly refused to have him back, that he sought help for himself, through AA, and changed. I only knew him as a nice old bloke, a bit odd and scary at times, but nice enough and in control - he was shockingly mean to their dog, shouting, swearing etc but not to people any more. It removed his 'spark' though, he had to learn to live without intensity, he sacrificed that for his family situation in the end, but by that time his children were grown up and the harm was done. And there's no way he would have stopped at all had my Grandma not taken a very strong line and been totally clear that he had to get help.
So, is it worth it?
Only he can decide to change and by the sound of it, he is waaaaaaay back in the denial phase - it's apparently all your fault that he whacks you at every bloody opportunity, - would you treat him that way? No. You wouldn't. You are being made a fool of. Please believe me when I say that he thinks you need him, thinks you are stupid. Thinks you will have him back soon, because you love him, which of course you do, but you have to accept that you have a responsibility in this too. You have a relationship with him because you allow it to happen. You don't HAVE to allow it to happen.
My ex once said, when I asked him what he thought about violent relationships, 'it's the woman's fault for staying'.
There you go.
He was abusive by the way. And no, I didn't stay.

Good luck MM. A lot of us understand your feelings, how they go both ways, but you know, you are still allowed to love the man he was, as long as you go and do it somewhere safe, and don't put up with the man he is now. Keep your feelings, they are real and valid, but please don't use them as a reason to be with a violent and dangerous bastard. No one can take away your feelings for the man he 'used to be' - though bear in mind it wasn't the full picture, the nasty stuff was still underneath even then. He was just biding his time.

Freckle · 17/12/2007 06:41

Delete his internet account from your computer and set up a new one in your name. It's not hard. You seem to think it is OK for him to have access to your financial details, etc., because he set up the account. It isn't. So change it.

TwinklyfLightAttendant · 17/12/2007 06:41

...one more thing, is it your fault that he chooses not to get washed, not to eat properly? How exactly is it yor fault?

A decent man will look after himself without any help. Yours is using the sympathy card.
What an idiot he is. Not very grown up is it? 'Look after me, I can't wash myself.'

TwinklyfLightAttendant · 17/12/2007 06:41

...one more thing, is it your fault that he chooses not to get washed, not to eat properly? How exactly is it yor fault?

A decent man will look after himself without any help. Yours is using the sympathy card.
What an idiot he is. Not very grown up is it? 'Look after me, I can't wash myself.'

TwinklyfLightAttendant · 17/12/2007 06:42

Sorry baby grabbed keyboard!

TwinklyfLightAttendant · 17/12/2007 06:43

YES and as Freckle says, change your details. Why the hell is he even using your computer, let alone knowing your financial information? I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.

dizietsma · 17/12/2007 09:42

MM, here's how you get rid of this man- close the internet account and open up a new one in your name, it's not rocket science, I promise you. Pack up all his stuff and leave it outside in bin bags along with a letter telling him that if he wants to see his child he should get a lawyer and you can negotiate access through them. Delete all texts unread, do not pick up the phone when he calls.

Understand- HE IS STILL IN CONTROL OF THIS SITUATION. What you need to do is turn that around on him.

Believe me, if he's living like a tramp then that is his responsibility, not yours. DO NOT FEEL SORRY FOR HIM ABOUT THIS, HE WANTS YOU TO. It's another attempt to control you, don't allow him to.

Stay strong MM, you can do this.

Also, call Womens Aid and discuss this manipulation with them, they can help you clear your head.

dara · 17/12/2007 09:55

You seem to think the persona he showed you at first was 'the real him' and the strange, violent, controlling person he was with you was an aberration, or something you turned him into. You are wrong. The violent controlling person IS 'the real him'. The nice considerate person was just a role, an act, to get you to like and accept him.
He sounds mentally ill - a house full of crap so you can't move isn't normal. That's not your fault is it? He was doing that before he met you. But the fact that he has a condition of some sort does not mean that he isn't a nasty piece of work. Look at how he hurt and threatened you? How would you feel if, when your daughter was 18, her boyfriend started punching her? Look at her now and think about it. Would that be her fault? Should she take responsibility for looking after the bloke who as violent towards her?
I am sure it must be hard, but HE is to blame for all of this, not you.
Your family all live 300 miles away you say. Can you go and live near them? That should shake him off.

dara · 17/12/2007 09:56

Actually, if someone with a history of mental instability and violence was threatening my baby, you wouldn't see me for dust. 300 miles sounds a perfect minimum distance.

Bessie123 · 17/12/2007 13:50

I have been watching this thread for a few weeks now and just wanted to say that if you don't cut this man out of your life completely, this is the best it's going to get for you. Don't you think you want better than this in your life? You have your big chance to move on, so take it and stop ruining your future. Don't worry about feeling sorry for him - it sounds like he is doing enough of that for both of you. Think about what is best for you and your child, because nobody else will.

Tanee58 · 17/12/2007 14:39

MM, I have only caught up with this thread today - and I am SO glad you finally got rid of him. But don't let him keep control by claiming your relationship is 'on hold'. Make him aware that it is NOT on hold, it is OVER. You owe it to your daughter. Do NOT make excuses for him, it is not your fault - HE is to blame. Most men are NOT like this, and you and your daughter deserve someone who will love you and respect you, where you do not have to spend your life watching your back and hoping for Mr Nice to reappear.

Change your address if you can. At least, get your own internet access sorted out, get a good solicitor if needed and remember, no court will grant him custody of your daughter, he cannot 'kidnap' her unless he gets unsupervised access (the law has improved since you were a child, courts and the police are more clued up on domestic violence).

It will take a long time for you to recover from the brainwashing he's done on you - please get some counselling to help build your self-confidence up again - you ARE worth it. He isn't. Put him in your past. Chuck out his stuff, cleanse your home of his presence. He's not so clever, but he IS mental. If you weren't married, he has no legal right to access, you and your daughter need never see him again.

Please, do it.

And please let us know how you get on - many women are so worried about you.

Anonymama · 18/12/2007 13:49

MM
Haven't been on for a few days, but can only concur with the advice and observations of other posters.

Many of us are wishing you well, not only because we are fellow mothers and human beings, but because we have experienced similar situations.

It is possible to get this man out of your life and start afresh. It will be difficult, particularly as he is so manipulative to you, but if you can put on a "rational" or "business" head in your dealings with him, you will find it easier. Save your regrets for the past, your memories of the good times etc. for some time in the future when you are safely out of his sphere of influence. Then you can try and make sense out of this whole sad story. In the meantime, I would:

  • bag up his stuff, phone him and tell him it will be outside on the pavement at X o'clock on X-day for him to collect. It is his stuff and his responsibility. If he fails to collect it, tough.
  • refuse access to your DD until you have got legal advice (either a solicitor, the CAB, or Women's Aid should be your first port of call. The domestic violence officers in your local police should also be able to advise you on your basic rights - if you haven't already been in contact with them, you should do so now - you need all the ammunition you can get to protect you and your DD).
  • if and when you decide whether you want this man to have contact with your DD, supervised access could and should take place in a separate location from your private dwelling (again, Women's aid should be able to advise).
  • If he continues to call you up, whine, and say how much he misses you/needs you, or just phones to wind you up and abuse you etc., get BT to bar incoming calls from his line, Get caller display or simply hang up.
  • sort out your internet account and any other joint accounts or bills you held together. Don't find yourself liable a few months down the line for his overdraft/bills etc.

It is really hard at first - I imagine that most women who put up with abusive relationships for any length of time do so because they really did fall in love with the man concerned at some point, and being romantics / optimists / fools - coupled with the gradual erosion of their sense of what is right and normal in a loving relationship, and the subtle wearing down of their own self-confidence and esteem - they believed that things will get better. In the vast majority of cases they won't.

After treading on eggshells around someone else's volatile behaviour for months or years, after living your life according to their demands and constraints, it can feel like the centre has dropped out of your universe. But it hasn't - it will just take a little time for you to get used to this new equilibrium ... and after a few months, you will be intoxicated with the freedom and sense of adventure that your own life can hold. Imagine too raising your daughter in a home where no-one rages and bullies and shouts. You will get through this, but you do need to make a more complete break from this man who is doing his best to worm his way back into your life.

Anonymama · 18/12/2007 13:51

PS I can look back and laugh at it now, but I remember getting calls from my ex where he was "suicidal" and, at other times, threated to get a "hit man" on to me. Hilariously melodramatic, but at the time it was scarey and threatening.

Please be strong, don't let him take control back.

Hope you are able to arrange to be with family or close friends who will support you and show you some love this Christmas.