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Perfect guy but he’s had the snip

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Wendywoo19 · 27/11/2020 00:03

I met my BF a couple of years ago and after a few dates he told me that he’d had the snip. I don’t have any kids but enjoyed his company and had the mindset it wouldn’t go anywhere but I was having fun. Fast forward 2 years and we are in a serious relationship, live together and are very happy. But... i think we are both burying our heads about the fact he’s had the snip and I don’t have any children. I know there are men who get divorced and have kids later in life with a new partner, or men who have their vasectomy reversed when their situation changes. I know I need to have the conversation with him but I’m worried if he’s dead against it then I have some big decisions to make. What if I end things with my BF but then never meet someone as good as him? What if I meet someone else but kids don’t happen with a new partner either? It’s all what ifs and it would help to hear from people who have maybe been in similar situations?

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sparklewhynot · 27/11/2020 08:37

I think there's a few things to consider. Firstly a reversal will be costly, they won't do it on the NHS. It's invasive and the onus will be on him. And he will be told that it's unlikely to work given the timescales.

There's also the issue that his children are almost grown up. Does he really want to "start again" as people call it? Along with all the new financial commitments which will come a child.

I'm with a man who's had the snip, similar age gap too. But I have my children, he has his. I would have loved one together, but I knew when we got together that this was never a possibility. I know it's different as I have my children, but it was a talk we had straight away..not two years down the line. Good luck OP.

Wendywoo19 · 27/11/2020 08:45

@Bagamoyo1 thank you for your message. Out of curiosity do you know what happened to your ex, is he with someone else now? I think you had your lightbulb moment about what was the right thing to do but I haven’t had that yet. And without going into things too much, I think it’s our relationship that’s made my BF content after a lot of bad things happening in his life. And maybe the same for me too. Which is why I think we are both reluctant to open Pandora’s box! We have found something with each other that makes us both happy.

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Mistystar99 · 27/11/2020 08:52

There's more to life than having kids! They don't magically make your life better. In many, many ways, they bugger up your life.... !! He's had the snip, don't make the poor sod reverse it.

Wendywoo19 · 27/11/2020 08:57

@Mistystar99 I wouldn’t make the poor sod do anything 😅 He can say no.

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lynsey91 · 27/11/2020 09:04

@Wendywoo19

I’m early 30s, he has kids yes but they are late teens, we see them a lot and he’s a good dad. So he’s had his family but I haven’t had mine.
You say you "haven't had your family" but you don't have to have one. Plenty of women/couples choose not to have children and are happy.
Sundance2741 · 27/11/2020 09:05

Of course there's more to life than having kids, but...... if you really want them, then that is a massive motivator. You need to decide how YOU truly feel, before you discuss it with him. I wanted kids and we spent 9 years trying - it was all consuming for me. I worked out I had a huge need to be a parent, not to have my own biological children, so we adopted.

But I have friends who have expressed a vague interest and not gone on to have a child. And others who had one accidentally. And others who have never been interested.

Only you know how you feel about it. Personally I think it would be only fair to have a conversation along these lines - 'I really need/ want to have a child, but I realise you made the choice long ago not to have more and I guess you still feel the same. So I think that means we should part.'

If he wants to change his mind and discuss options he can. Any other approach will just lead to resentment towards each other. He may reluctantly agree to please/ keep you. Or you may lose him and later wish you hadn't.

Whatever, you don't want to have a child with someone who doesn't really want to. Having kids is hard enough and puts pressure on a relationship anyway. Both partners need to be fully onboard.

WhySoSensitive · 27/11/2020 09:11

Someone said that upthread if he’s committed to you then he’ll do a sperm donor. Sorry but that’s a pile of shit, it’s an incredibly personal decision to make and that’s just ridiculous.

On another note, I know someone currently waiting for vasectomy reversal, never wanted more children and was quite set on it, I think his are about 15? Ish now. He’s met his new partner and they’re planning a one tube reversal to start a family.
It will probably be a tense and emotional conversation but you can’t really go any further till you’ve had it.

Lampan · 27/11/2020 09:13

@TheStripes and @katy1213 - I agree with both of you.
OP you know that only you can make the decision, really other people’s anecdotes are not relevant if your partner absolutely doesn’t want another child. Sadly there are no guarantees, you could leave and find someone else to have a child with, or maybe not find anyone else. I don’t think the dog is relevant either, yes he is clearly committed to you but it doesn’t mean he would want a child as it’s not the same as a dog. You need to talk to him.

SteffieIUI · 27/11/2020 09:22

I was in a similar but different position- my partner told me he was unable to have kids on our first date due to a childhood illness. So from day one I knew it was unlikely. As time went on it got harder to accept I would have no more kids and although I knew I would want to be with him no matter what I felt I wanted to raise the issue of wanting kids to see if there was a way forward. Raising the issue was so hard as I think he felt I'd accepted it and we have a great life together as we are. I also have a child from my previous marriage so my yearning for more kids didn't really materialise for a few more years. In the end I brought it up but I sat on My feelings for a really really long time for fear of pushing him away/making him feel inadequate. Also the fear of having to come to terms with not having anymore kids.
It all came to a head one day when I broke down and I regret now that we didn't discuss it sooner. We discussed adoption and sperm donor and he was open to both. We were ruled out for adopting as we'd only been living together a short time but we pursued the sperm donor route, a year later and I'm pregnant now having had IVF and we're over the moon. My partner never expected to be a dad and he is so happy, all be it a bit older than he would have liked!
I think you need to open up the conversation, and see if he actually would like more kids, if he does then You do have options. reversal is an option and if that fails sperm retrieval is an option which you then have to have IVF for. Good luck 🤞🏼

Deadringer · 27/11/2020 09:23

I think you need to talk to him to sound out what his position would be if you decided that you want children. You don't need to know right now if you want them some day, but you do need to know how he feels about it. I agree with a pp, leave it until after Christmas then have a proper conversation about it.

aSofaNearYou · 27/11/2020 09:35

I do want one but I think afternoon past events I’ve not allowed myself to believe it’s definitely going to happen for me. In my 20s it’s all I wanted and I experienced a lot of disappointment which is maybe why I’m coming across as passive.

This stood out to me OP. This might sound a bit blunt but I believe that older men with grown up children who have no interest in starting a conventional family with a new partner often, unwittingly or not, take advantage of women who are too vulnerable emotionally to know and stand up for what they want. That breeds a risk that down the line they will realise they actually did want those things, but have wasted a lot of time.

It must be difficult to find a partner who doesn't have kids of their own, doesn't want them, but is fine with the fact that you have them, and I think it's only the above that led you to settle for him.

I would be honest with yourself that by the sounds of things, you do want to try for kids, and have the conversation with him before you waste any more of your time.

Roselilly36 · 27/11/2020 09:50

I am surprised by some of the comments. People can & do change their minds.

I wasn’t bothered about having children at all, DH & I were happy being a couple. When got into my thirties I wanted a baby, more than anything. Life changes. And having my DS’ was the best decision ever. However, it was different circumstances, neither of us had children.

I hope everything works out well for you OP Flowers

ExclamationPerfume · 27/11/2020 09:56

I find it really odd you haven't had the conversation in the last two years. We discussed if we ever wanted children within the first few months.

Sakurami · 27/11/2020 09:56

I think if your relationship is as great as you say it is, you should both sit down and discuss asap. What is the point of worrying and musing over what he thinks and what he may be open to unless you talk about it?

For me, having children has always been what I have always wanted more than anything. Whilst I was single after splitting up with my ex, I did think it would be nice to be in love. But the yearnings weren't the same as wanting a child.

But I don't think you should dismiss sperm donation. I think if he's open to having more children, then you would have the great relationship as well as your own child. He would be the father even if not biologically.

My ex, for all his faults is my eldest's father. He's raised him since he's had a baby and the way he loves and treats him, I can't see any difference between his own biological children and my eldest.

But a friend married a man who had grown up children and had had the snip and although it took about 4 years, she did end up getting pregnant so the reversal was successful. But I'm not sure how many years ago he had had the snip.

But lost important thing is to talk to him. It may be preying on his mind too.

mcmooberry · 27/11/2020 10:12

My DH had had a vasectomy when I met him although no previous kids (he had had a relationship with a woman with 2 kids who talked him into it then they split up...). Initially in the first phase of love/lust I thought I could live without children but soon realised I couldn't so he had a reversal (I think around 10 years post op or maybe 8, can't remember now). They could only do one side and his sperm count was low post op but I conceived the first month we were able to try so around 6 weeks later by some miracle. Then had a 2nd reversal of the other side with a different surgeon under GA and we conceived our twins via ivf with a miscarriage in between.
My advice is 1. Have the conversation and swiftish. 2. Start researching vasectomy reversal surgeons. We traveled a long way for the first one but he had good success rates.
Take action now, don't wait until you are 36/7. I honestly don't think I would have stayed with my DH without the chance to have children, my resentment would have split us up in time.
Good luck x

HardlyEver · 27/11/2020 10:13

@aSofaNearYou

I do want one but I think afternoon past events I’ve not allowed myself to believe it’s definitely going to happen for me. In my 20s it’s all I wanted and I experienced a lot of disappointment which is maybe why I’m coming across as passive.

This stood out to me OP. This might sound a bit blunt but I believe that older men with grown up children who have no interest in starting a conventional family with a new partner often, unwittingly or not, take advantage of women who are too vulnerable emotionally to know and stand up for what they want. That breeds a risk that down the line they will realise they actually did want those things, but have wasted a lot of time.

It must be difficult to find a partner who doesn't have kids of their own, doesn't want them, but is fine with the fact that you have them, and I think it's only the above that led you to settle for him.

I would be honest with yourself that by the sounds of things, you do want to try for kids, and have the conversation with him before you waste any more of your time.

I think that' assuming the OP's boyfriend took advantage of her vulnerability is probably an overly-negative interpretation of what facts we have from the OP. He was, as he of course should have been, upfront about having had a vasectomy when they first started dating, and it's not too much of a stretch to think that he took as evidence the fact that the OP continued to see him once she knew about the vasectomy, became serious about him and then moved in with him, for her being OK with not having children. A significant number of women don't.

You could flip the situation and suggest the OP has potentially been unfair to her boyfriend in entering freely into a relationship with someone who has made it clear in the most total way that he does not want more children, and then changing her mind (if in fact she has changed her mind). I don't actually think that's true or fair, but no one can say that the OP's boyfriend hasn't been upfront and clear about his position on children from the beginning. He hasn't strung her along, and I don't see that he's 'burying his head in the sand' at all. He has acted to make sure he won't have more children, and he's presumably happy with the status quo. It's for the OP, if she isn't happy, to change the terms.

And I can't help finding the way the OP expresses herself on here significant -- rather than saying 'I knew that he had a vasectomy and that I wanted children, but I still moved in with him' or 'I wasn't bothered about children but knew I might change my mind, and still moved in with him' or 'it wasn't something I'd really thought about then, but now I am', she keeps saying variations on 'I don't have children' and not 'I want/thought I might want children:

She's behaving as though her not having children is the significant issue here, when it's not -- it's whether she wants children or not. Which she sounds confused about still. And from what she's said in updates, it now sounds as if she's turning this into a love test, while still not deciding on her own behalf, whether in fact she wants children, or a child, enough to leave the relationship to potentially have them with someone else, or alone.

Honestly, OP, I'm not unsympathetic it's a difficult position to be in but I think you need to stop thinking about what other people want, or treating a vasectomy reversal as a test of commitment (which I think is insane). You really need to think very hard about whether or not you want a child. That's the fundamental here. And I think you should do that well before you start having conversations about vasectomy reversals. I think it would be very unfair to continue to be unclear about your own wishes, but to test someone else's readiness to have a surgical procedure to reverse a major life decision when you yourself aren't sure.

YoniAndGuy · 27/11/2020 10:15

You don't have time to mess about here.

Believe me, if you are here in your early 30s thinking this through and acknolwedging that 'you MIGHT want a child' then it's odds on that by the time you're 37 you are going to desperately want one and that's the point where you needed to have stepped up a gear already - or it's potentially too late.

So ask him NOW, see if he's willing to look into a reversal, and if he isn't, then you move on.

aSofaNearYou · 27/11/2020 10:37

I think that' assuming the OP's boyfriend took advantage of her vulnerability is probably an overly-negative interpretation of what facts we have from the OP. He was, as he of course should have been, upfront about having had a vasectomy when they first started dating, and it's not too much of a stretch to think that he took as evidence the fact that the OP continued to see him once she knew about the vasectomy, became serious about him and then moved in with him, for her being OK with not having children. A significant number of women don't.

That's why I said "unwittingly" and "often". I don't think he has necessarily deliberately gone out of his way to take advantage of her and I don't think he has mislead her either. It's just a situation I've seen quite often that it's the women that for whatever reason haven't muddled out their feelings about having children, and might well one day, who get suckered into this arrangement. Yes there are lots of women who don't want kids and that is most likely what OPs partner was looking and hoping for, but there is a harsh reality behind having children, getting the snip, and then trying to find a partner who doesn't want kids but is fine with you having them and all the sacrifices that come with that, unless they have children of their own. That will rule out a lot of people and of those that remain, it's fairly likely the poor woman will end up less against having children than her partner had hoped.

TheStripes · 27/11/2020 10:53

[quote Wendywoo19]@shouldhavecalleditoatabix thanks for your reply. What you have said is the argument I have with myself in my head. I worry that I would be throwing away a great relationship for something that I may never have. Meeting someone else who wants kids doesn’t mean it’s a given it will happen. But then if my BF did say no he isn’t open to looking into a reversal / getting help then could I live with that? I think if he said no that would devastate me because a part of me would feel he didn’t love me enough. We have recently got a beagle puppy together and I know a puppy isn’t a baby but it shows he’s invested in us long term & gives me a glimmer of hope!![/quote]
Perhaps he feels you are invested in his long term. It’s fine to have a fun relationship with someone you know has had a vasectomy but by the time you move in, he makes life changes for you, and you get a pet together, it feels like you have silently accepted the status quo and your actions have said you are committed to him. I feel you’ve been quite unfair to continue to cruise along in this relationship since you’ve known you want him to agree to have a child with you - although I also agree with a PP that it sounds like you view his agreement as a commitment test rather than what you want, which is bizarre.

aSofaNearYou · 27/11/2020 11:09

I feel you’ve been quite unfair to continue to cruise along in this relationship since you’ve known you want him to agree to have a child with you - although I also agree with a PP that it sounds like you view his agreement as a commitment test rather than what you want, which is bizarre.

It's very common for people in relationships with someone that has had kids before to feel uncomfortable about the notion of them not wanting children with them when they've made that commitment in the past. It isn't a positive emotion but it is very common and a natural fall out of the life he has lived and the choices he has made.

I think it's a bit harsh to judge OP for it.

TheStripes · 27/11/2020 11:14

@aSofaNearYou

I feel you’ve been quite unfair to continue to cruise along in this relationship since you’ve known you want him to agree to have a child with you - although I also agree with a PP that it sounds like you view his agreement as a commitment test rather than what you want, which is bizarre.

It's very common for people in relationships with someone that has had kids before to feel uncomfortable about the notion of them not wanting children with them when they've made that commitment in the past. It isn't a positive emotion but it is very common and a natural fall out of the life he has lived and the choices he has made.

I think it's a bit harsh to judge OP for it.

Ok, I didn’t realise that.

OP, do you want a child or children, or do you want him to agree so you have the option to have them?

Sprig1 · 27/11/2020 11:23

This might be lots of angst for nothing. Just talk to him about it.

Newwayofthinking · 27/11/2020 11:57

Kids aren't the, be all and end all, to a relationship.

They can drive a wedge between two people. They take all your time, energy, money, they can be a pain.

But they can also be great.

If I had.my time again, I would have been selfish with my time and wouldn't have had children.

Not to say I don't love my now grown up children.

Wendywoo19 · 27/11/2020 12:19

Thanks everyone for your replies, I appreciate everyone’s different view points. To sum it up I have always wanted kids yes. But I was married & had a miscarriage which contributed to us splitting up as trying for a baby after the MC consumed the relationship. So after that I didn’t want to get into that position again where I wanted something so bad that it ruled my life. So yes if I was with a man who wanted them and i knew 100% it would happen of course I would want that. But I know life isn’t that easy and I think the reason I’m coming across as not sure Is because I guess it’s a coping mechanism after what’s happened in the last. I have prepared myself that it might never happen for me and to be ok with life without a child. I guess that’s why I carried on with the relationship with my BF at the start, because I thought he could decide to have a reversal if our relationship grew but then I also could maybe be ok without kids. I got advice at the time and most people said people change and to just see what happened as it could fizzle out anyway. But as time goes on and we are now 2 years in building a life together theres this question mark that is hanging over me. I know I need to ask him where he stands with it but I guess I’m not ready for the repercussions of him saying no. Which is the reason I have come on here to see if I could get perspective by hearing different situations and the outcomes. We did have discussions a couple of months in that I felt we might have an expiry date because we wanted different things and he seemed really hurt by that but then I said it’s not an issue at the moment because at the time it wasn’t. But as some of you have said, when the clock is ticking I’m becoming more aware of needing to make that decision of if I want to be with the man I love regardless of his decision or if I want to risk walking away with no guarantee of ever having a child with someone else. Like you all say I know the answer is to talk to him after Christmas and I will but sometimes it helps to work through your thoughts in the meantime and this is what I’m doing on here. And I am grateful for all the replies even the harsh ones 😅

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Eesha · 27/11/2020 12:22

My ex reversed his vasectomy 10 years afterwards and we had children together.