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your thoughts of emails my husband makes to his friends about me

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forevermaple · 25/11/2020 22:36

I am hoping to get others' opinions of what my husband says about me in his emails to his friends, which I find hurtful. A disclaimer: I only know about these emails after he secretly babysat another woman's child (this woman is single) when I was out of town on business and that "friendship" with this other woman was also a secret to me. Immediately after returning I figured out that someone had been over when I was away and after confronting him he still kept quiet. Since he wasn't going to tell me what happened I checked his emails and found a whole bunch of negative emails about me. So, secret "friend" and babysitting for her while I was away aside for a bit (but I would love to hear comments on that), I just want to focus on these emails, which he thinks are not hurtful. Any opinions, even contrary to what you think I want to hear, are appreciated. I will give you my interpretation, but please be honest if you agree or not.

  1. I worked my butt off on an application for a $80K grant related to my work. Unfortunately, the grant agency turned me down. My husband emailed several of his friends behind my back and told them I didn't get it. His exact words were: "she got the letter and it was a big fat no." - I am hurt that he is broadcasting my unsuccessful applications to his friends (yes, I have pride). What is noteworthy is that he never emailed anyone when I was successful. Also, to describe it as a "big fat no" is to me making it sound like it was a strong rejection...as if the application was really junky. He cannot understand why I feel that way. What is your opinion of this generally and more specifically, what is your opinion of what a "big fat no" means?

  2. At one time we had carpet beetles in the house. They will eat anything organic (wool, fur, cotton, cereals, etc). They are very difficult to get rid of. I recognized that we had a problem and we had to work hard to get rid of them. That meant moving furniture away from the walls and vacuuming and spraying the baseboards where they are usually at. We had to inspect every piece of clothing and linens. And we had to act fast because they will multiple like crazy and get all over the house. I could see that he wasn't really believing that the situation was that bad. He hardly helped me. I found emails to his friends really, strongly griping and whining (to say it politely) about all the work we had to do and that he thought we were all fine and in the clear after a little vacuuming. His exact words in a couple of emails was (and italics are his): a) "so we've been vacuuming like crazy and it's beyond exhausting. I think we're fine now, but Sara is incessant about it. It sucks" and b) "...we literally have all the furniture pushed in the middle of the room so we can vacuum the baseboards every single night (cue: eye rolling). Personally, I feel Sara has gone OCD on this but she's my wife and I have to support her." What is noteworthy was that we really were infested with them and he discovered that himself when we found the mother-load of hundreds of them under the appliances and eventually we had to call in the professionals. Also, the email calling me incessant was two days before Valentines day where I got a card that said "thank you for being you. So amazing and incredible." (he forgot to mention "incessant", too). What is your opinion of how he is describing me as being OCD and incessant - especially incessant? It is clear he didn't understand the seriousness of the problem, but that aside the fact that he is complaining to his friends rather than trusting/respecting me and instead is calling me incessant is something I find very hurtful. He cannot accept the fact that incessant is an inherently negative word. Is it obvious to you that incessant is meant in a negative way as "she is being annoying/irritating."?

These are just a of couple emails. Some might think it is being oversensitive to spend too much time being hurt by these emails. But isn't it safe to say that these are unkind at best and would be hurtful to most people? And what makes it worse is that these are not just a couple of emails to just get over - these are among years of emails complaining about mostly little things (e.g., the fact that I put Christmas decorations up a few days before Dec1, that I like to tidy the house up before visitors, etc.). Taken together, all these emails are like death by a thousand paper cuts. I look forward to hearing your opinions. Thank you.

So specific questions again:
What is your opinion of this generally and more specifically, what is your opinion of what a "big fat no" means?
Is it obvious to you that incessant is meant in a negative way as "she is being annoying/irritating."?

OP posts:
TheVanguardSix · 26/11/2020 07:08

The responses! Confused And putting this on you? i.e:
You come across in your post as being a rather intense, insecure, possibly quite neurotic person and I would suggest you are projecting much of that onto your husband's comments.

Of course you're intense and insecure! Your marriage is collapsing and you're being painted as the 'difficult one' that your husband is kind of enough to support because you're his wife. Awww bless. What a good fucking egg. I'd be fuming if my DH told everyone in his little sewing circle about that rejected grant, unless somebody asked! Did anyone actually email your DH to ask him about that rejected grant, OP? I bet your answer there is 'a big fat no'. So he really has no place discussing your personal stuff with any of them. Your husband has been having an affair and complaining about you like an old ninny to anyone who will listen (via email. Poor sods on the receiving end of his newsletters).
He sounds bored, boring, and like he's got way too much time on his hands. And let's say he's not having an affair, he's sailing mighty close to the wind and wants to!

LynetteScavo · 26/11/2020 07:09

The wording of the emails wouldn't bother me.

I would find my DH emailing his friends odd. The only person online who communicates socially by email is my DM in her 80s.

I'm not sure why you've raised the secret friendship but don't seem too concerned, because that would really bother me. How does he communicate with this secret friend, if not by email, or does he delete those?

Moondust001 · 26/11/2020 07:15

To be honest. I can't see what your problem is - but I can see what his is. Sneaking through someone else's private correspondence is hardly the right thing to do, and if this is the worst that you found, then I can't see anything to complain about. And whilst there may be something more to this babysitting, at the same time if you are likely to react in the way you have it strikes me as hardly surprising that he doesn't want to talk to you about things. If you go around the house looking for whether someone/ anyone had been there whilst you were away, and confront him about your finding, that simply isn't normal.

It may or may not be innocent, but in some ways that hardly matters - it sounds like there is a lot more wrong with your relationship than what is posted here.

Tootletum · 26/11/2020 07:27

The emails are fine, don't see the issue. The affair less so.

PaterPower · 26/11/2020 07:31

Hate to pile on, but agree with most of the PPs. The emails aren’t the problem, this “babysitting” is.

DoWahDiddy · 26/11/2020 07:33

OP, I can see your point of view. There seems to be a tip-toe-toxic ambiance to your relationship where individual actions by your DH can be explained away with plausible deniability but are as a whole negative. Sorry that the majority of previous posters have been suckered in.

Hylyma1234 · 26/11/2020 07:35

The emails wouldn’t bother me but the secret female friend who had been in the marital home whilst I was away working, would!

Lweji · 26/11/2020 07:36

The emails are related to his "babysitting". He's already presenting you as very hard to live with...

My best guess is he's preparing to leave you and is ensuring he won't be the bad guy.

HmmSureJan · 26/11/2020 07:40

@DoWahDiddy

OP, I can see your point of view. There seems to be a tip-toe-toxic ambiance to your relationship where individual actions by your DH can be explained away with plausible deniability but are as a whole negative. Sorry that the majority of previous posters have been suckered in.
Thank goodness! Apart from @mathanxiety and one or two others I was baffled how this couldn't be seen Confused
Skipsurvey · 26/11/2020 07:40

i would be hurt by the emails op
how mean to talk about the Big Fat No and no about the success

Apple31419 · 26/11/2020 07:41

There's a lot to unpack here - the biggest issue is why he doesn't feel he can talk to be you and tell you things. It's bad because it either means he knows he's in the wrong (IE the friend isn't really just a friend)
Or - he doesn't feel you would understand and is maybe expecting a bad reaction from you.
Same with the bugs problem. Different people deal with things in different ways, sounds like he didn't see it as a problem, which is fine, but still respected what you asked him to. Again, why can't he talk to you about it?

RosyPickle · 26/11/2020 07:42

I think he sounds quite nasty. I don't like those emails at all - 'big fat no'?! Just not very loyal or supportive imo. Something isn't right, and I do think unfortunately the woman is a key part of this picture.

RishiMcRichface · 26/11/2020 07:42

The emails are not the problem. Secret OW is the problem.

RosyPickle · 26/11/2020 07:42

I think he sounds quite nasty. I don't like those emails at all - 'big fat no'?! Just not very loyal or supportive imo. Something isn't right, and I do think unfortunately the woman is a key part of this picture.

Skipsurvey · 26/11/2020 07:43

do you need him in your life op?

aside from the emails, how is your relationship?

LITHIUMcomeasUare · 26/11/2020 07:44

There appears to be no trust or respect in this relationship. Lots of lies though and negative comments.

Not great.

Bluntness100 · 26/11/2020 07:47

Blimey, everyone is allowed a whinge. My husband pisses me off regularly, has a whinge about him when he was sitting right there, when I was on the phone to a friend last night 😂

The secret friend and the baby sitting though, that’s a different matter.

Are you able to articulate why you don’t wish to discuss that, but instead focusing on a couple of whingey emails?

dingsimg · 26/11/2020 07:48

I think I would be more concerned about the affair he appears to be having

Bluntness100 · 26/11/2020 07:49

Seriously though, you were away for the night and another woman was in the house, someone you knew nothing about, and he said he was baby sitting her kid? And kept it secret from you?

Seriously, ?

HmmSureJan · 26/11/2020 07:55

And what makes it worse is that these are not just a couple of emails to just get over - these are among years of emails complaining about mostly little things (e.g., the fact that I put Christmas decorations up a few days before Dec1, that I like to tidy the house up before visitors, etc.). Taken together, all these emails are like death by a thousand paper cuts. I look forward to hearing your opinions. Thank you.

Well it's not just a couple of whiney emails. It's years of them. Why do certain posters on her always try to reframe what is actually said to fit their sneery narrative? Or did they just not make it all the way through the OP?

LilyLongJohn · 26/11/2020 07:55

The emails aren't nice and to me it shows a lack of respect, but most of us will have a grumble to friends now and again about our respective partners. If he's constantly moaning that would piss me off.

I know you said you wanted to concentrate on the emails but I'd be more concerned that he's got another woman in the side and he lies to you about it.

Bagelsandbrie · 26/11/2020 07:56

Emails are fine. We all grumble about stuff to our friends. He didn’t expect you to read them.

I don’t think there’s a child re the babysitting. Clearly an affair!!

BumblebeeBum · 26/11/2020 07:57

Are the emails to a female friend that you suspect is more than a friend?

Tadpolesandfroglets · 26/11/2020 08:05

Don’t think the OP is coming back.

LEELULUMPKIN · 26/11/2020 08:14

Is the kid he was babysittting his? That was my first thought.

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