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Dealing with a narcissist? Come over here for some support.

154 replies

fluffynotebook · 20/11/2020 14:53

I just wanted to make this thread as a bit of help and support for anyone who’s dealing with a narcissist.
I’ve just come out of a covert narcissist friendship and struggle to find any support groups so leaving this here for anyone who feels they need it.

OP posts:
Pebbledashery · 23/11/2020 10:49

One thing I've learnt through all my time on MN and just general life experience... A narcissist will always say they are the victim.

LargeProsecco · 23/11/2020 11:59

@Alys20 - My solicitor is doing her best to keep things out of court, as I can't really afford it & don't want to go through a long court process.

She's really fighting my corner & I think I might have the chance to move away to a new job....

I had hoped for an amicable, collaborative parenting arrangement but his lies & manipulation mean that's impossible.

Most of all, I feel sad for the kids. It's bad enough he has ruined our relationship with his lies, affairs, manipulation & narcissistic abuse.

But the kids are going to have to move schools, away from their friends & hobbies, and he will likely only see them once a fortnight plus 50% of school holidays.

We all deserved better.

Pebbledashery · 23/11/2020 17:44

Sometimes a court order is needed with these people.

Fuckmyliferightnow · 23/11/2020 18:02

@ButterFlyGirl19961 your situation is almost identical to mine. I'm trapped for what seems like forever because we have a child. He will never let me leave and he will never leave.
The depression gets too much at times I think it would just be easier to die,
But I have to take care of my child.

ButterFlyGirl19961 · 23/11/2020 18:36

@Fuckmyliferightnow I truely feel the same. Im depressed staying. I couldnt leave on my own leaving two children. I couldnt leave taking them with me as havent got no support connections to go to to have the 3 of us. I really do feel stuck as do you. Hopefully one day we will find the answer 💓 until then stay strong

spidermomma · 23/11/2020 18:49

Well ladies he just seems be getting worse and worse !

He's now non stop giving me shit because his mates girlfriend said to me at school last week "we're just goin doing a food shop" I literally said I wish he would go do mine it's only thing I ask of him an he won't go unless I pay him petrol money and I pay the bloody food shop" he's found out and is going mad saying that's belittling him. Maybe it is but I havnt lied I was just saying it an laughed as I said it because it's literally a joke what he's. Like. Feel like I'm hitting a brick wall. Going to save as much as I can and leave in March when he goes on another. Holiday otherwise he won't let me leave and if I do he will only let me and the kids take what is on our backs when iv spent so much can't afford to do it again!

Hopefully covid will allow this to happen for me. So broke and fed up I want to be me and a happy person again! Also enrolled at uni to start online at end of feb next year so this will keep me extra busy! Hope everyone is okay xx

LargeProsecco · 23/11/2020 18:55

We are all in the same boat @ButterFlyGirl19961 and @Fuckmyliferightnow. It's hellish.

I have been trapped with him in the house for more than a year since we split up; he blocked me from moving out & it's hellish - totally dysfunctional. Poor kids.

I've been trying to get myself in to a better financial position for years but it hasn't happened & I couldn't stand him any more. Literally couldn't sleep next to him & wanted to punch his lights out in his sleep.

Got another awful letter from his solicitor's today; the battle just goes on.

I am desperate to get out but can't do whilst money is tied up in the house. He is using his greater financial power to control & punish me.

I could never have left in the pre-school years as I couldn't have afforded childcare & housing costs.

I'be already wasted nearly 20 years on him already & just want out.

Pebbledashery · 23/11/2020 19:02

Can I say. Aside from the court battle.. Leaving him really was the second best day of my life. I'm so free of all his bullshit abuse and waking up and going to bed feeling worthless. You all deserve better lives.. For you and your children.

TMIincoming · 23/11/2020 19:11

@fluffynotebook

I don't think narcissists can be diagnosed because in their eyes they aren't doing anything wrong. They feel as though they are entitled to special treatment and we should provide it 24/7, and if we don't we're seen as the bad guys.

I've heard of couples who have gone to relationship counselling to sort through problems and the narcissist will blame everything on their husband/wife. Meanwhile, the victim is suffering post traumatic stress disorder. It's a twisted world they live in!

Of course they can be diagnosed. Its a recognised mental health condition. Unfortunately know being used incorrectly by huge numbers of people who just don't like someone
Borris · 23/11/2020 19:15

I'm trying to divorce one. Verrrrrry slow and verrrrry expensive Sad

TMIincoming · 23/11/2020 19:17

@Borris

I'm trying to divorce one. Verrrrrry slow and verrrrry expensive Sad
How was the personality disorder diagnosed, and what treatment are they having?
LargeProsecco · 23/11/2020 19:30

@TMIincoming - I'm not finding your comments particularly helpful.

This is a support thread for those of us dealing with someone who has narcissistic traits - whether they are diagnosed, undiagnosed- whatever.

It's a set of personality traits & behaviour which are incredibly difficult to deal with - whether that person has an official diagnosis or not.

Pebbledashery · 23/11/2020 19:31

@TMIincoming I'm sorry.. But you have not lived any of our lives!!

TMIincoming · 23/11/2020 19:35

[quote Pebbledashery]@TMIincoming I'm sorry.. But you have not lived any of our lives!![/quote]
I lived with a person with a diagnosis for years. Helped them understand the condition and the reasons behind it (childhood) and helped them through two years of schema therapy.

Just pisses me off when people throw the term around just because they have fallen out of love with someone who presumably had the same personality when they met them

LargeProsecco · 23/11/2020 19:45

@TMIincoming - if you really understood NPD, you'd be aware of how these people can be incredibly charming at the beginning of a relationship but their true colours begin to show eventually.

Also that personality disorders don't respond to therapy. Mine has had YEARS of psychotherapy and still can't hold a job or relationship because of his personality.

He probably does have a diagnosis- but it doesn't really matter. He is still a cunt, diagnosis or not.

Pebbledashery · 23/11/2020 19:49

And FWIW my ex has told his Barrister he doesn't want to disclose his full medical records pertaining to mental illness.. And a gp letter would suffice.. So that goes to show he probably has a diagnosis to hide also.

Sockmonster23 · 23/11/2020 20:03

I don't think narcissists can be diagnosed because in their eyes they aren't doing anything wrong. They feel as though they are entitled to special treatment and we should provide it 24/7, and if we don't we're seen as the bad guys.

I've heard of couples who have gone to relationship counselling to sort through problems and the narcissist will blame everything on their husband/wife. Meanwhile, the victim is suffering post traumatic stress disorder. It's a twisted world they live in!

This ! I’ve got a friend who is bi polar and an ex who is a narcissist like his mum in fact he has all her traits. They are Abusive and quite covert some, not always physical as in beating you about, some are discreet and very very clever but their aim is to destroy you, mine even said he would make people hang themselves and my too! But he wouldn’t hit me he would say you want me to don’t you??? Ah nah not giving you t satisfaction whilst I was crying and asking him to stop with his insults, mine even used to say I’ve always been told to be nice to people and keep clean so they don’t know what I’m really like and it’s true but some family do know what he is like and his exes 😳 and indeed they are evil! I’m not even sure if it’s a disorder ? They will literally want to see you hang yourself, they make things up , and push you ,gaslight and verbally and emotionally abuse you , mine kicked me out well actually his text said ‘I want you out ASAP I’m not kicking you out but get out ASAP and you will not have access to the kids! What did I do wrong you may ask? He said I better give him maintenance as well.

I asked him not to shout at our then 18 month old son because he threw cereals on the floor! When I asked if he could be reasonable and yes I would move out but he isn’t having the kids at least mediation he had me up against the wall not holding me but his face was like a demons do I was terrified And he said I will annihilate you! He did a few similar things throughout the relationship but his mother was going around saying she would split is up that’s her Intention knowing we had 3 small kids 😒my ex mother in law has 3 other adult sons moved countries or far awa from her, I didn’t take it personally that she told people her intention was to split up because she also out condoms in one of her sons coat pockets when his partner just had a baby, they also keep their partners and kids away from her.

My ex said there is nothing wrong with her him it’s everyone else. They will never ever take responsibility but I have to say one time before we split he said something strange ‘maybe there is something wrong with me and my mum’ I never asked him what he meant but wish I had.

These people are dangerous in a very emotional way. The parential alienation that his mother done as well is so heartbreaking to her ex husband and biological father of the kids and my ex has wry trait. He is already telling kids I used to hit them, I’m not a good parent , I used to sit in my bum and do nothing. He calls me names and my son repeats it. I have no idea when his next attack will be but my guess is court again and authorities To say I’m evil and the abuser. Just a guess 😔

I would love to know the psychology behind why makes narcs so angry and bitter they feel they need to destroy people ?they can be the loveliest partners as well, it makes your head spin.

Sockmonster23 · 23/11/2020 20:08

He did ask me to go back to him and said sorry, he even said not to move out but something else happened and his mum was involved and her minion and they just make things worse. In the end I had to leave him as he jus kicked off again I realised nothing would ever be right and he was saying very strange things that had me worried for my our safety.

Alys20 · 23/11/2020 20:33

@LargeProsecco yes indeed, we all deserved better.

@TMIincoming, I also dislike armchair psychology and throwing the word narcissist around inappropriately but IME there's v little info or knowledge of NPD. People don't know what you're on about, generally. That's why OP started this thread. I've found online resources and books on the subject way more useful than therapy. Personally.

These ex's/relatives of ours have long term patterns of toxic behaviour that can't be demonstrated easily. They don't (usually) punch you round the kitchen. It's the mental battery, which you can't see, that's so hard.

@Sockmonster23, again I'm no psychologist but from the 5-6 different books I've read, it seems their anger comes from what they call the narcissistic wound. Unfulfilled desires. My ex's mother was (is) selfish and a nasty bully, she was a terrible mother but he worships the ground she walks on and always seeks her approval, which he never gets.

My own mother was also a narcissist, so I've repeated history by falling for an abuser. I think a narc parent can make you a people pleaser. Whatever you do is never enough, so you grow up feeling never good enough, hence you settle for crappy relationships and try to fix people. Even unconsciously. I've taken on board the lessons I need to learn and changed my own behaviours, to get these people out of my life.

What's so frustrating is that there are kids involved now, and the narc is never going to learn. Parallel parenting and grey rocking is all I can do but it's a nightmare as he undermines whatever I do.

A good book I can recommend for those with narc parents is Will I ever be good enough? by Karyl McBride.

Fuckmyliferightnow · 23/11/2020 21:08

@ButterFlyGirl19961 you too Thanks

Pebbledashery · 23/11/2020 21:31

If someone turned up and told me my narcissist ex had passed away. I only think I'd feel relief.

narcynoo · 23/11/2020 22:37

It's been awhile since my run in with someone who appeared to have a lot of narcissistic traits. I agree people with narcissistic personality disorder can't be diagnosed by anyone other than highly qualified health professionals. However I think it is fair to say that all of us have narcissistic traits to some degree or another, and in some people these traits are quite pronounced, whether they would fulfil the criteria for a diagnosis or not.

What I found most useful was that as soon as I understood more about narcissism, all of a sudden behaviour that had been so confusing and bewildering to me, made sense. Whether she's actually got a personality disorder or not, who knows. But what I do know is that I was far better equipped in dealing with her and responding to her in a way that protected me, when I saw her behaviours through the prism of narcissism. I felt forewarned and forearmed.

Mine was a friend, someone who lived not far from me. She was charming, engaging, lovely and kind initially. Showed a real interest and messaged a lot. She was materialistic and competitive...however it initially didn't seem like too much of a bad point in comparison to the good.

But then the cracks appeared. Couldn't tolerate differences of opinion. Ever. Despite best efforts to avoid certain topics of conversation, she would return to these differences of opinion over and over again when most people usually drop it to keep the peace. She also had to be involved in everything and know everything. Queen Bee.

Over time she became very spiteful. Would post messages publicly on social media that, on the surface of it to anyone not involved in the situation seemed perfectly fine, or even nice. But if you knew what she was talking about it was very clear she was having a dig. You also knew that if you responded to her 'dig' in any way and called her out on it, she'd be innocent-faced and to do the whole 'but I was only saying...' schtick and you'd look petty and over-emotional.

And it wasn't just one dig that would be easy to overlook/rise above - she'd do it constantly, drip, drip, drip, trying to get a reaction. There was no end to it. I ended up filled with dread every time her name pinged on my phone or came up on my news feed.

She stirred constantly and positively delighted in upsetting people and winding them up. She loved it, it was fuel for her. She appeared to show empathy to others but once you knew her you could see it wasn't genuine, and she was merely endearing herself to someone or making herself look good/noble.

I can't say I dealt with it perfectly. I made myself look a fool to some people who only knew her in the charming stages and believed her victim narrative.

But once I realised how toxic an effect she had on me, I just started ignoring her. Blocked her on social media. Point blank refused to engage. I know for some this may feed a narcissist even more and I'm very aware I looked rude and childish to some people. But it meant she didn't have any avenues to say anything to me, so she couldn't have a dig. I stepped away from people who couldn't see her for what she was. This lasted for a couple of years. She's gone on since to fall out with others. Hasn't learned a thing.

My self esteem has been through the floor the last couple of years and I'm pretty sure this experience has had a role to play in that.

I've recently felt in a more neutral space so have started saying hi to her when I see her, but I keep my distance, don't stop, and engage with her on my terms only. I'm happy with that.

No way am I getting involved in that sort of circus again, ever.

narcynoo · 23/11/2020 22:38

God that was long! 🙈 sorry. Cathartic though!

RoseMartha · 23/11/2020 22:47

@Borris sending a hug. It took me two years to divorce my exh. He told me at the start he was going to make it as hard as possible.

Had a run in with him tonight regarding an issue that required talking with him. Lots of swearing and menacing aggression towards me then we discussed issue then he complained that he never wanted to get divorced and then lay a guilt trip at my feet that I have a better home. (Family home was sold). I live in a poorer part of the town. Not the roughest area but far from the best. My home is almost scraping the bottom of the housing market, hardly extravagant. But had to try and make me feel guilty. What it actually has done is make me feel anxious and nervy and cross with myself for letting him make me feel bad about myself.

Closetbeanmuncher · 23/11/2020 22:51

I really wish they taught this stuff in the curriculum. It makes me particularly anxious having DC with additional needs who may be even less likely to recognise these behaviors.

It's a twisted world full of twisted individuals we live in I'm afraid 😔🌎

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