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Woman just called to say she's sleeping with my partner

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ohmanseriously · 13/11/2020 03:49

Hello

I'm 38 with a teenage son (pride and joy) and my own business which I love. I have a lovely partner, who was on a temporary work post overseas when Covid struck and to cut a long story short he has been quarantined, so we have been unable to see each other for 14 months.

He was due to move back home permanently in the summer and he took the job because it was huge money and we are saving to buy our home together but we speak every day, usually for hours so the relationship was going very good.

Then I got covid in March and was seriously ill, hospitalised with pneumonia and then had 4 months at home in bed recuperating which was a very long road and a lot of days and nights of not being able to breathe very well. My partner was really supportive throughout.

I started to get back on my feet by the end of July, then a few weeks later we found out my son has a tumour. We had to go through a long period of tests and thank God, it is benign, but it was about 6 weeks of the most unimaginable stress and he also needs quite significant surgery still.

In the background of all that stress, as well as the general stress of covid and being locked up without my partner here, my business, which is in the hospitality sector has collapsed because events are banned for so long and because I am a small company director I was one of those excluded from financial assistance.

My savings are exhausted but I wasn't worried because my partner has plenty.

So it's been stressful to say the least.

Then tonight a woman called me and told me her friend has been having an affair for months with my partner. I was so shocked you could have blown me over with a feather.

She was tearful and seemed drunk but cryptic and said it had been going on for ages. I asked how she got my number and she wouldn't answer.

I called my partner, and he admitted he slept with someone else a couple of times and now she is stalking him. While I was on the phone she was trying to smash down his door and in the end he called the police.

Then the woman who called me started texting me and calling more and was quite incoherent. She then added me on Facebook. I accepted and there's pictures of her with my partner that makes clear they have been spending time together for a few months.

So it's her he has been seeing. She is about 20 years older than me.

I didn't anything unusual, my partner has always been lovely, but he was withdrawn for a couple of months so probably feeling guilty?!

Partner says he loves me and she was a huge mistake.

I know it's over, my I am finding it hard to process that this man who is meant to love me was shagging someone else while I was laying here nearly dying and being frightened to my bones for my son.

Can anyone chat to me so I don't feel so alone. This woman keeps calling me ranting and I am not sure what to do.

Thanks

OP posts:
blisstwins · 27/11/2020 22:19

I was reading in my phone and just realized I missed a lot. I think OP is making a mistake, but eyes open and good luck.

Chocaholic9 · 27/11/2020 22:28

@ohmanseriously

Exactly what I am thinking *@Chocaholic9*. I've been reading books on it and talking to the counselor to try and answer that question for myself.

I think the basis is you rebuild trust slowly. The person learned a very hard lesson from it so they behave over a long period of time in ways to help regrow that trust. Over a long period of time they behave in ways to show remorse, reassurance, love, support and over time you eventually you grow trust again from that.

I think that's what the deal is anyway, but of course it's easy to say it and harder to do it. I really don't know what will happen yet because I've not had time yet to work through those questions.

It might be that I can't and it spoils any chance of reconciliation, but I just haven't had enough time to know yet.

Something to bear in mind is that the majority of couples don't recover from cheating and the relationship disintegrates.

The other thing to remember is that people who cheat are much more likely to do it again, than those who have never cheated.

I don't agree with previous posters that you weren't in a relationship with this man and therefore he didn't really cheat as such. I've been in long distance relationships - they are real. You were sharing emotional intimacy with him, and looking towards a future together.

I've read your whole thread, including every comment, and I think you sound like a lovely person who deserves someone who is fully committed and loyal to you. I'm not sure this man is that based on what you have shared here.

It might have been different if he had confessed the affair to you, but he didn't. What else is he capable of lying about?

I wish you all the best whatever you decide.

ohmanseriously · 27/11/2020 22:33

Thank you:)

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CatAndHisKit · 28/11/2020 02:11

I'm struggling with the idea of someone throwing away a happy relationship for sex with someone they don't even seem to like much

But he didn't want or plan to throw away the your r-ship. Yes, it's mostly sex and I suppose general company after having the shock of being stranded. Some people do feel physical loneliness more than other (women as well as men) and crave affection - and it exatly often happens when drunk as it's not an emotional choice or a decision, it's a physical need and fear of lob=neliness for months on a deeper level.
I'm very sorry for both of you - I think he truly feels, from what you describe, that he's ruined his life. Hugely tough on you obviously. She phoned you exactly because she wanted to shake you off, clearly is in love with him. Madly, it would appear. For a woman pushing 60 and 10yrs older than him to try and break down the door, to scream - ugh!
Whereas his fault is mainly that he turned out to be weaker in stressful circs than he probably thought himself to be (in terms of needs) which led to lying. I bet he despises himself now.

CatAndHisKit · 28/11/2020 02:12

sorry for typos!

queenofknives · 28/11/2020 10:19

@80sColourfulChristmas

RTFT

Then you will have a chance of saying something more constructive.

NannyOggsWhiskyStash · 28/11/2020 10:34

@Poppy2005

I’m sorry OP but this all sounds like a complete web of lies on his part and delusion on yours. I don’t mean that unkindly - this man is taking you for a ride and has been for a long time. Apparently he loves you more than anything in the world and she’s just a bit on the side (and you seem to be accepting this.) Right. Ok. So he has a mega salary on a remote island but you’re strapped for cash. So you were in hospital for four months and he didn’t come and see you. Your son has a tumour and he doesn’t come back to support. This man is a fantasist and a liar. I doubt he’s even stayed on this remote island which has said he has to quit his job if he leaves (how convenient!). Wake up and smell the coffee. This isn’t a relationship you haven’t seen each other for fourteen months. He’s making it all up.
This. It sounds like a pack of lies, stuck on an island for 14 months? Are there guards stopping him leaving? He is lying to you and the woman would not be so upset if it was just a fling, sounds like he is stringing you both on. Get rid and move on with your life
80sColourfulChristmas · 28/11/2020 10:41

[quote queenofknives]@80sColourfulChristmas

RTFT

Then you will have a chance of saying something more constructive.[/quote]
I HAVE now RTFT! Still maintain that OP has blinkers on. She is believing that he was being essentially held prisoner on that island and couldn't leave for something as serious as his partner's health and her child possibly having cancer! Disgraceful behaviour. Yes he wouldn't have been able to return but since when did a job come before people we love?
He's not been 100% committed and it seems many people agree with me on that!

Siw2020 · 28/11/2020 11:05

Read the whole thread including all comments. OP you come across as a very well-rounded, understanding and lovely woman. You say you have been the OW and that you have also cheated in the past yet you can't forgive that sort of behaviour yourself. I'm not even sure why I highlighted that but perhaps your previous experiences are why you are so understanding. Its also understandable that you want better for yourself. While reading this thread I fleeted between 'forget him, you are so much better' to subconsciously comparing your (ex)partner to various characters I have come across and each man is so different/ their needs are so different etc. Some people have so much more emotional integrity and some are weak yet both can be just as lovely a person. We are all different and have a different level/threshold of what we would accept. Reading to the end I now also feel you should be open (not at all suggesting go back to him) but just keep an open mind. I'm not sure he deserves someone as lovely as you but at the same time I dont think you deserve to go through this hurt and if you're able to reconcile and it brings you joy then you deserve it.

I understand long-distance (I can see many posters do not). Be kind to yourself. Give yourself the time you need to work through this. Also - you seem to have a raised a wonderful boy. The only bit of this thread that brought a tear to my eye - your son's kind words when he found out/checking in on you from school. If only all men were raised this way.

All the best to you and keep us posted if you wouldn't mind (I feel invested!).

emilybrontescorsett · 28/11/2020 11:33

I'm sorry but I find this whole story unbelieveable.
If he loves you so much how come he didn't come back to see you when you were so ill, you could have died? Then he discovers whilst this is going on that your son is diagnosed with a life threatening illness and he still doesn't come to see either of you, really?
Sounds to me like he was enjoying his affair too much.
I may have missed this but does he have children? I'm guessing so with him settling down at a young age.
He didn't feel the need to get back to them either or any possible young grand children he has. Hmmm he sounds like the type of man who claims to have lost contact with his children because "The ex made it too difficult."
I think he is bullshitting you.
He was enjoying himself too much. Spending time on the phone daily was enough to keep you sweet just enough for you to provide creature comforts when he has to come back home.I
Most men want a woman at home to cook and clean and provide company, he is no exception.

Iloveme30 · 28/11/2020 11:42

@speakout

He can love you wholeheartedly while also being weak and stupid, which he has been. Sometimes people also turn to affairs when they are feeling stressed and anxious or when they have to support someone else.

I totally disagree.

Just no .....
NannyOggsWhiskyStash · 28/11/2020 11:46

@ohmanseriously

Thanks everybody, I think the mix of posts between "what a **, he's scum" and "this is a good man who made a huge mistake" is actually a good reflection of how I feel myself, so as @Chickychickydodah* says, I really need time to process.

An important factor in this is that he had ended the situation with this woman before she ever contacted me. She got my details from his HR file. I think the idea was that if she told me it would get rid of me that it might clear the way for her to have him. But you're right, had it been a different woman who wasn't the type to contact me, then I think he would never have told me anything happened. I am sad to say that, but I really think he would have told himself that it would be hurting me for no good reason and convinced himself that silence was the best policy.

I appreciate there are probably lots of men and women who have cheated and never told their partner, but I find that disgusting personally. I also appreciate it's a very long time to go without sex / intimacy but I also find that disgusting. Understanding those things doesn't mean I necessarily want them for myself if you know what I mean because my morals are quite inflexible.

That said...

@kay1213 hits on a fair point, which is that we probably weren't serious enough in the first place for this separation. We have been apart for longer than we were together. We weren't living together. We'd only just (a few months) got to the point of spending special occasions and every weekend together. It was early days really, and it was only the job offer which expedited the commitment to the next level.

I did realise that at the time, and had the conversation with him where I said that it was too early in a relationship for someone to wait two years (if any relationship can take that!) but he assured me at that time that he saw a permanent future with me and I felt like I might feel the same and it was worth a try.

There were many reasons I agreed to it.

One was that I sensed it would be good for my BF to have the experience. He was tied down to an unhappy marriage at 17. He felt some insecurity financially that plagued him (being 40 and not owning a home!). And I knew he had some serious baggage.

I knew I had found a guy I had a lot of potential with, but I felt like he needed to deal with his baggage and get his own ducks in order if that makes any sense. I thought it was possible the relationship would not survive the separation, but at the time I had no idea Covid would happen and the separation would be anywhere near as drastic.

Another reason was that my son is getting close to university age, and I felt weird / wrong about spending my weekends / holidays with a man when it was maybe my last "mummy" years. I am not sure if that makes any sense at all to you, but maybe a part of me felt like him going for two years made sense for my life and meant I could have my relationship more in the background and just enjoy my time with my son without guilt I was being split in two directions.

Another was that my last serious relationship (8 years ago now) was one where we were very happy, living together, totally committed and the man absolutely ripped my life apart (we were engaged and he literally disappeared one day with a note) and I ended up losing everything (home, money, family life, sanity). It absolutely shattered me and took years to recover. I guess I was scared too, although I have only admitted that to myself in the last few days when a friend talked to me about it.

All the above is just me being honest. There were parts of me for which it was convenient / less scary to have a relationship that wasn't fully in my face. The lovely phone calls and letter and texts and support and kindness and future dreams were maybe a little bit easier for me than reality, and I think for BF it was the same. Being loved from a distance is very different from real life, isn't it?

Ultimately though, I was completely faithful and I found it pretty easy to go without sex. The company of my son, family and friends were enough. But he was completely alone, and engaged in "hanging out" with a single woman, in a very, very, very intense environment and doing "couply" things with her with hardly any other people around and she (probably understandably) formed a romantic interest in him. That progressed to drunken sex in an expat environment where very heavy drinking until the early hours of the morning was a normal weekend event. Yes, over a prolonged period of time, yes, with deceit involved, yes, it ended up really wounding me.

I don't think he was deliberately just using her for sex or deliberately trying to have his cake and eat it. I just think he was extremely lonely and isolated for a very long period of time and someone wanted to spend time with him. Then it presented itself as a comfort and he was incredibly stupid, selfish and ended up creating a lot of mess and pain for other people. I do think he understands this and takes full responsibility for all the different ways he made wrong choices.

The disloyalty and deceit are big problems for me. But as we have had time to go through things in more detail, a lot has become clearer for me. Like, for example, I found out he has been on anxiety medication for some months now as the situation / guilt / panic was actually affecting him physically. I am not making excuses for him, but I don't think he found it "easy" to be deceitful which is some help. I also found out he wanted to come home for a very long time but was embarrassed to admit it because he felt weak / like a failure after he had bigged up the opportunity so much.

The point he has come to is that all this (not just the cheating but the leaving) made him realise he had found "the one" (me) and it was a mistake to ever leave and even more of a mistake to not give the relationship his all without being scared.

But, as horrible as it is to admit it, I do think leaving and cheating were necessary for him to get to that point. If he had stayed here, I don't think he ever would and I would have spent years in a relationship with a man in midlife crisis mode and I knew I didn't want that. He needed something big to happen and now he's realised that jobs don't mean much, money doesn't mean much and the fact that he had a miserable first marriage doesn't mean he'd have a miserable second one.

That is pretty much why I wanted him to go in the first place -but I just didn't expect cheating to be involved! He's now reading the books on relationships and attachment and self development. He's now seeing a counsellor to work through his baggage. He's now doing absolutely everything he can possibly do to demonstrate remorse, commitment and to help me feel better after what he put me through.

Our communication now is more honest and vulnerable than it's ever been before. Like the armor he had on is now gone, and that's a good thing, despite the horrible circumstances. My friends, therapist and family (all of whom love me and are very protective) believe there is hope for this awful situation to create something new and much stronger than what we had before, and all I am saying is that I am now open to that possibility.

None of that is to say I will take him back, it is just the "other side" of the story. As I said, I genuinely just need to process and more importantly I need to observe over a period of time how these changes actually manifest in the real world because right now he is in panic / loss mode and it's easier in that to be motivated.

All of that considered as "one side" of my mind; I can't get past the cheating right now and I can't picture getting past it. I can't imagine ever being okay with it. I've understood all of the above. I have read books on forgiving infidelity. I think he very, very deeply loves me. I think he feels deep remorse and sadness for what he's done to hurt me. I think he is genuine in all his efforts and would never hurt me again. I think he's making the changes to create a relationship that would never get into this situation again.

But thinking all that is one thing. I still have pictures in my mind that make me feel like puking and I don't feel safe with him or like I can trust him because he still proved himself CAPABLE of it and that disgusts me. I know everyone will have different views on this, but I've just promised myself to give it time because there's so much to process.

Either way, I appreciate everyone's help. I appreciate all the things we've all been through as women being let down by men and others and the support has been so helpful and cathartic for me when I was completely losing it. I just need more time to figure out what the best future for me is going to be. I definitely still feel completely torn!

x

You seem very sweet, I really hope it works out for you, but he needs to put in A LOT of work, and leave the bloody island ASAP. Is he planning on moving back?
ohmanseriously · 28/11/2020 12:13

Eek. I tried to ignore this, but just to lay to rest the conspiracy theories.....

  1. I know where he is. There is no question whatsoever of that being the case.

  2. I know there was no transport to the UK over the period in discussion because that's a matter of public record. All commercial travel is still cancelled.

  3. The only route off now is private charters which are very irregular and are generally used for repatriation for people who want to go home, medical evacuation, transfer of supplies like food etc. It is not like catching a bus.

  4. Coming and going would involve a two week quarantine on each side of the journey, even if you could get transport off that transport would be spread months apart. So if you leave, you leave for months and not days.

  5. Yes of course, no one is "banned" from going home for an emergency, but leaving your job for months means someone needs to replace you and they couldn't magic up someone to replace him. It was not as simple as rushing to my side.

  6. I was also, at the time, far more worried that HE would get Covid off me and worse, that he might return with it without access to a proper hospital. At the time, we really knew nothing.

  7. Even if he had left the day I was checked into hospital, he would not have arrived here until six weeks after I was at home again, which would have been pointless.

So it really just isn't as simple as you think it is, but no, there is absolutely no possibility I have been deceived in any way about his location or transport rules and options as all of this is public record.

I appreciate I have a lot of crap to wade through with this but there's no point inventing things that don't exist.

Thanks!

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ohmanseriously · 28/11/2020 12:17

@Siw2020

Read the whole thread including all comments. OP you come across as a very well-rounded, understanding and lovely woman. You say you have been the OW and that you have also cheated in the past yet you can't forgive that sort of behaviour yourself. I'm not even sure why I highlighted that but perhaps your previous experiences are why you are so understanding. Its also understandable that you want better for yourself. While reading this thread I fleeted between 'forget him, you are so much better' to subconsciously comparing your (ex)partner to various characters I have come across and each man is so different/ their needs are so different etc. Some people have so much more emotional integrity and some are weak yet both can be just as lovely a person. We are all different and have a different level/threshold of what we would accept. Reading to the end I now also feel you should be open (not at all suggesting go back to him) but just keep an open mind. I'm not sure he deserves someone as lovely as you but at the same time I dont think you deserve to go through this hurt and if you're able to reconcile and it brings you joy then you deserve it.

I understand long-distance (I can see many posters do not). Be kind to yourself. Give yourself the time you need to work through this. Also - you seem to have a raised a wonderful boy. The only bit of this thread that brought a tear to my eye - your son's kind words when he found out/checking in on you from school. If only all men were raised this way.

All the best to you and keep us posted if you wouldn't mind (I feel invested!).

Thanks so much lovely. I have never been the OW, but I did cheat on my first love. It was only a kiss though and I was just 17 so a bit different to being 38 and in a long term relationship. It's not something I would ever, or could ever do now.

I really appreciate your kindness about my son. What a lovely thing to say, thank you :) I will keep updated if I can, but I can see the thread has diverted a bit to accusing me of being stupid / or not truthful and if that's the case I probably will step away as it's massively unhelpful!

x

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ohmanseriously · 28/11/2020 12:20

@NannyOggsWhiskyStash Thank you, yes, he is back in a few days now.

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CatAndHisKit · 29/11/2020 01:08

Having read your long post quoted after posting my post above, it just reinbforces what I thought. He is a good person who mada huge mistake and now doing everything he genuinely can to try and restore your r-ship while he knows you may never forgive him.

Do give it time and be open-minded, OP. This was an unusual, stressful situation, people make dreadful mistakes, and for your level of relationship - as you say - it wasn't the case of a solid LTR yet. Yet he knows now for sure what's important and how much he screwed up.

CatAndHisKit · 29/11/2020 01:09

posting my post - eye roll - sorry for clumsiness.

caringcarer · 29/11/2020 01:28

What a dreadful year you have had. When you were really ill, he should have come back, when you were out of your mind with sorry about your son he should have been there for you, not screwing someone else. You are stronger than you think to get through this last year on your own. Block the pair of them and unfriend the woman on Facebook, she is no friend to you. Let your family and friends support you through this tough time. You don't need a cheater in your life. You would never trust him again. Don't believe the lies he will try to tell you. Focus on you and your son.

Lollyneenah · 29/11/2020 07:04

OP, I cant help thinking that you're accepting the scraps on this one like you did your last relationship. This isnt love x

ohmanseriously · 29/11/2020 12:45

Thanks so much everyone - I know it sounds like a dreadful year for us, but we are all still okay so I still have a pretty positive outlook that no matter what happens with money /relationship issues and other things that we're very lucky! I'm not Gandhi or anything, but having the frighteners put up you so badly really helps you get a grip on the everyday life issues. Don't worry, I'm not going to make decisions quickly or without a lot of careful thought.

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mumieone · 29/11/2020 20:02

Sorry to hear about situation I really feel for you. First - don't block the women. You need information from her and that information is very important for you to allow you to decide where to want to go next. Second - your husband will probably deny half of what she tells you (but listen to her it's going to be much much closer to the truth than what he will tell you. Yes she wants your husband and probably asked him to divorce you and he didn't want to he wanted best of both so she has let the cat out of the bag.

Think.....forgive and forget or will you leave. If you leave get your finances together - you'll have to play like you're on his side till you collect your little stash and when you are comfortable go.

mumieone · 29/11/2020 20:13

All cheats say she is a stalker, unstable, being revengeful, crazy, on drugs, alcoholic etc....

And these lying men go as far as having a separate SIM card for illicit affairs or saving her under a male name on Thier phone (if this is the case they block the number when they are home and when they go out on a drive, to the shops they will call the woman).

cantwaitforchristmasyay · 01/12/2020 09:59

All about how HE is feeling by the sounds of it. Focus on yourself and your son. He has shown you he will put himself first and doesn't give a damn about your feelings. Unless of course you find out what a two faced, cheating liar he is from somebody else! Of this woman hadn't contacted you, you would still be none the wiser.

BlueThistles · 09/12/2020 02:06

How are you OP Flowers

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