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Woman just called to say she's sleeping with my partner

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ohmanseriously · 13/11/2020 03:49

Hello

I'm 38 with a teenage son (pride and joy) and my own business which I love. I have a lovely partner, who was on a temporary work post overseas when Covid struck and to cut a long story short he has been quarantined, so we have been unable to see each other for 14 months.

He was due to move back home permanently in the summer and he took the job because it was huge money and we are saving to buy our home together but we speak every day, usually for hours so the relationship was going very good.

Then I got covid in March and was seriously ill, hospitalised with pneumonia and then had 4 months at home in bed recuperating which was a very long road and a lot of days and nights of not being able to breathe very well. My partner was really supportive throughout.

I started to get back on my feet by the end of July, then a few weeks later we found out my son has a tumour. We had to go through a long period of tests and thank God, it is benign, but it was about 6 weeks of the most unimaginable stress and he also needs quite significant surgery still.

In the background of all that stress, as well as the general stress of covid and being locked up without my partner here, my business, which is in the hospitality sector has collapsed because events are banned for so long and because I am a small company director I was one of those excluded from financial assistance.

My savings are exhausted but I wasn't worried because my partner has plenty.

So it's been stressful to say the least.

Then tonight a woman called me and told me her friend has been having an affair for months with my partner. I was so shocked you could have blown me over with a feather.

She was tearful and seemed drunk but cryptic and said it had been going on for ages. I asked how she got my number and she wouldn't answer.

I called my partner, and he admitted he slept with someone else a couple of times and now she is stalking him. While I was on the phone she was trying to smash down his door and in the end he called the police.

Then the woman who called me started texting me and calling more and was quite incoherent. She then added me on Facebook. I accepted and there's pictures of her with my partner that makes clear they have been spending time together for a few months.

So it's her he has been seeing. She is about 20 years older than me.

I didn't anything unusual, my partner has always been lovely, but he was withdrawn for a couple of months so probably feeling guilty?!

Partner says he loves me and she was a huge mistake.

I know it's over, my I am finding it hard to process that this man who is meant to love me was shagging someone else while I was laying here nearly dying and being frightened to my bones for my son.

Can anyone chat to me so I don't feel so alone. This woman keeps calling me ranting and I am not sure what to do.

Thanks

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Blackberrycream · 27/11/2020 08:48

@katy1213

I think you need to calm down a bit and consider whether you're throwing an otherwise good relationship away in a fit of hurt and temper. This was a fairly new relationship when your 'partner' - did he really qualify as a partner after 18 months or so? - went away, and you've been separated for half the time you've been together. It's not that surprising that he'd stray and he does seem to be regretting it. The advice you'll get here is from women bringing their own baggage and hurt feelings; it's not unbiased and it's not about what best for you. I'd be inclined to draw a line under this - what happens on tour stays on tour and it's been a traumatic year all round - and see how things work out when he's home. If nothing else, he's given himself a fright by ending up with a bunny boiler!
I think this is really good advice. It was a newish relationship and a really long time apart. It is quite an unusual situation. What matters is what you want.
Fullofpissandvinegar · 27/11/2020 09:12

@katy1213

I think you need to calm down a bit and consider whether you're throwing an otherwise good relationship away in a fit of hurt and temper. This was a fairly new relationship when your 'partner' - did he really qualify as a partner after 18 months or so? - went away, and you've been separated for half the time you've been together. It's not that surprising that he'd stray and he does seem to be regretting it. The advice you'll get here is from women bringing their own baggage and hurt feelings; it's not unbiased and it's not about what best for you. I'd be inclined to draw a line under this - what happens on tour stays on tour and it's been a traumatic year all round - and see how things work out when he's home. If nothing else, he's given himself a fright by ending up with a bunny boiler!
This is good advice. Take your time, care for yourself and your son and take time to process everything. Block the other woman. I know people who have worked in similar situations to your partner/ex-partner, and it does become a slightly weird detached bubble where odd attachments occur which would never have done ordinarily. If what you had previously was a genuinely strong connection then given time and his remorse then you may be able to rebuild even more strongly on those foundations. But it has to be on your terms, at your pace. These are weird times for us all and post- COVID many of us will be readjusting and readapting. Don’t rush to discard something that might offer you a good future life.
What2Do78 · 27/11/2020 09:31

Do you think people who cheat have a reason beyond sex?

Firstly, I am so sorry this happened 💐

@ohmanseriously - There are many reasons why people cheat and have affairs but I would say the lack of sex would be the number one reason, never underestimate how losing that part of a relationship feels, the intimacy, the touch, the feelings etc. Some people can take or leave sex but for many it’s a very important part of a relationship/marriage.

Chickychickydodah · 27/11/2020 09:44

I’m so sorry you are having to go through all this shit this year💐
Please delete and block her from everything and try and get some rest.
Give yourself a few days to process stuff x

ohmanseriously · 27/11/2020 11:14

Thanks everybody, I think the mix of posts between "what a , he's scum" and "this is a good man who made a huge mistake" is actually a good reflection of how I feel myself, so as @Chickychickydodah* says, I really need time to process.

An important factor in this is that he had ended the situation with this woman before she ever contacted me. She got my details from his HR file. I think the idea was that if she told me it would get rid of me that it might clear the way for her to have him. But you're right, had it been a different woman who wasn't the type to contact me, then I think he would never have told me anything happened. I am sad to say that, but I really think he would have told himself that it would be hurting me for no good reason and convinced himself that silence was the best policy.

I appreciate there are probably lots of men and women who have cheated and never told their partner, but I find that disgusting personally. I also appreciate it's a very long time to go without sex / intimacy but I also find that disgusting. Understanding those things doesn't mean I necessarily want them for myself if you know what I mean because my morals are quite inflexible.

That said...

@kay1213 hits on a fair point, which is that we probably weren't serious enough in the first place for this separation. We have been apart for longer than we were together. We weren't living together. We'd only just (a few months) got to the point of spending special occasions and every weekend together. It was early days really, and it was only the job offer which expedited the commitment to the next level.

I did realise that at the time, and had the conversation with him where I said that it was too early in a relationship for someone to wait two years (if any relationship can take that!) but he assured me at that time that he saw a permanent future with me and I felt like I might feel the same and it was worth a try.

There were many reasons I agreed to it.

One was that I sensed it would be good for my BF to have the experience. He was tied down to an unhappy marriage at 17. He felt some insecurity financially that plagued him (being 40 and not owning a home!). And I knew he had some serious baggage.

I knew I had found a guy I had a lot of potential with, but I felt like he needed to deal with his baggage and get his own ducks in order if that makes any sense. I thought it was possible the relationship would not survive the separation, but at the time I had no idea Covid would happen and the separation would be anywhere near as drastic.

Another reason was that my son is getting close to university age, and I felt weird / wrong about spending my weekends / holidays with a man when it was maybe my last "mummy" years. I am not sure if that makes any sense at all to you, but maybe a part of me felt like him going for two years made sense for my life and meant I could have my relationship more in the background and just enjoy my time with my son without guilt I was being split in two directions.

Another was that my last serious relationship (8 years ago now) was one where we were very happy, living together, totally committed and the man absolutely ripped my life apart (we were engaged and he literally disappeared one day with a note) and I ended up losing everything (home, money, family life, sanity). It absolutely shattered me and took years to recover. I guess I was scared too, although I have only admitted that to myself in the last few days when a friend talked to me about it.

All the above is just me being honest. There were parts of me for which it was convenient / less scary to have a relationship that wasn't fully in my face. The lovely phone calls and letter and texts and support and kindness and future dreams were maybe a little bit easier for me than reality, and I think for BF it was the same. Being loved from a distance is very different from real life, isn't it?

Ultimately though, I was completely faithful and I found it pretty easy to go without sex. The company of my son, family and friends were enough. But he was completely alone, and engaged in "hanging out" with a single woman, in a very, very, very intense environment and doing "couply" things with her with hardly any other people around and she (probably understandably) formed a romantic interest in him. That progressed to drunken sex in an expat environment where very heavy drinking until the early hours of the morning was a normal weekend event. Yes, over a prolonged period of time, yes, with deceit involved, yes, it ended up really wounding me.

I don't think he was deliberately just using her for sex or deliberately trying to have his cake and eat it. I just think he was extremely lonely and isolated for a very long period of time and someone wanted to spend time with him. Then it presented itself as a comfort and he was incredibly stupid, selfish and ended up creating a lot of mess and pain for other people. I do think he understands this and takes full responsibility for all the different ways he made wrong choices.

The disloyalty and deceit are big problems for me. But as we have had time to go through things in more detail, a lot has become clearer for me. Like, for example, I found out he has been on anxiety medication for some months now as the situation / guilt / panic was actually affecting him physically. I am not making excuses for him, but I don't think he found it "easy" to be deceitful which is some help. I also found out he wanted to come home for a very long time but was embarrassed to admit it because he felt weak / like a failure after he had bigged up the opportunity so much.

The point he has come to is that all this (not just the cheating but the leaving) made him realise he had found "the one" (me) and it was a mistake to ever leave and even more of a mistake to not give the relationship his all without being scared.

But, as horrible as it is to admit it, I do think leaving and cheating were necessary for him to get to that point. If he had stayed here, I don't think he ever would and I would have spent years in a relationship with a man in midlife crisis mode and I knew I didn't want that. He needed something big to happen and now he's realised that jobs don't mean much, money doesn't mean much and the fact that he had a miserable first marriage doesn't mean he'd have a miserable second one.

That is pretty much why I wanted him to go in the first place -but I just didn't expect cheating to be involved! He's now reading the books on relationships and attachment and self development. He's now seeing a counsellor to work through his baggage. He's now doing absolutely everything he can possibly do to demonstrate remorse, commitment and to help me feel better after what he put me through.

Our communication now is more honest and vulnerable than it's ever been before. Like the armor he had on is now gone, and that's a good thing, despite the horrible circumstances. My friends, therapist and family (all of whom love me and are very protective) believe there is hope for this awful situation to create something new and much stronger than what we had before, and all I am saying is that I am now open to that possibility.

None of that is to say I will take him back, it is just the "other side" of the story. As I said, I genuinely just need to process and more importantly I need to observe over a period of time how these changes actually manifest in the real world because right now he is in panic / loss mode and it's easier in that to be motivated.

All of that considered as "one side" of my mind; I can't get past the cheating right now and I can't picture getting past it. I can't imagine ever being okay with it. I've understood all of the above. I have read books on forgiving infidelity. I think he very, very deeply loves me. I think he feels deep remorse and sadness for what he's done to hurt me. I think he is genuine in all his efforts and would never hurt me again. I think he's making the changes to create a relationship that would never get into this situation again.

But thinking all that is one thing. I still have pictures in my mind that make me feel like puking and I don't feel safe with him or like I can trust him because he still proved himself CAPABLE of it and that disgusts me. I know everyone will have different views on this, but I've just promised myself to give it time because there's so much to process.

Either way, I appreciate everyone's help. I appreciate all the things we've all been through as women being let down by men and others and the support has been so helpful and cathartic for me when I was completely losing it. I just need more time to figure out what the best future for me is going to be. I definitely still feel completely torn!

x

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ohmanseriously · 27/11/2020 11:17

And just as a note, I did block OW a ages ago. I didn't realise at the time she had the HR file so she had all my numbers and she contacted me on all those as well as social media. I have blocked everything, including work accounts and also asked her to please have some humanity and leave me alone because it was making me ill to be shaking every time the phone rang. She did then start calling me with "number withheld" so I couldn't block it, but since my exBF had the meeting things seem to have stopped. Fingers crossed she is getting support from her friends and family now, and I can just have some peace from contact so I can get myself together. I find it really stressful to be honest

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ohmanseriously · 27/11/2020 11:30

Sorry for banging on, but I'd like to add this with regards to the OW as I think a lot of the women here are tough and sensible and scrappy with great boundaries but I have some empathy here too because I have been where she is years ago.

A very long time ago after my fiance absolutely ripped my life apart I was very vulnerable with no self-esteem and no clue about what a person should or shouldn't expect from a man or even what "love" really is. I was very confused about that.

I met a guy in Tinder, who from the outset told me he liked "overlapping" girls. I have no explanation for why, but I ended up hanging out with him over a period of months. Mostly no sex (we maybe had sex a handful of times, and it was never romantic, but he wanted to take me places (dinner, theatre, Netflix nights) and at the time we got on so well and I was incredibly lonely and in a bad place so I put up with it.

He made clear he didn't feel "that way" about me several times, but I kept thinking if he just got to know me better he would fall in love with me and I convinced myself I was madly in love with him and we were meant to be together.

Of course none of that was true. He was sad, lonely and wanted someone to spend time with and I was a mess and accepted scraps because I didn't know better.

Of course, he ended up dating someone new, falling in love and he is still with her and with hindsight he was completely gross and I can't believe I ever liked him.

But I needed years of therapy after all that to get my strength back, and when I met the current guy everything was completely different from day one and I think it was (is) real and proper love that has all the qualities that it should have.

So I don't hate her or anything or want to badmouth her because I appreciate the circumstances are easy to get into if your head isn't in the right place and if you add in the complete isolation and inability to get away from each other it's probably been a lot.

I do think persistently contacting me was cruel though, but the actual situation is one I can wrap my head around her perspective of.

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queenofknives · 27/11/2020 12:01

You come across as such a grounded and thoughtful person, OP. It's impressive that you have so much empathy for the OW and for your (currently ex) DP as well as for yourself. You seem really well balanced and like you have learned a lot from your experiences, mistakes, and bad treatment from others. I'm sure you will make the right decision about this, and will be able to trust yourself to do the best thing for you and your family. Good luck with it Flowers

peridito · 27/11/2020 12:11

Well put queenofknoves.

FWIW I'm in camp hope you get back together . Life isn't black and white .I think he messed up and his actions are a mistake not a character defining flaw .

But obvs v v hard to get past ,especially given your previous experiences .

You've both been through so much emotionally - it might be that you both learn masses and develop a foundation ti go forward from .

Flowers
ohmanseriously · 27/11/2020 12:14

Thanks so much @queenofknives I think that's right and I learned from my experiences and became stronger and better for going through them. I think that's why right now, the sobbing and apologies mean little to me, but the fact he's taking tangible actions to learn from his experience is what has opened me to a possibility of trying reconciliation. Meaning, if I had this relationship again, with a fresh start and a man who'd exorcised all his baggage and grown from it, I understand that might be a very good thing.

I remember my first love was a long distance relationship (he headed off to uni) and we were only ever separated for a few months at a time. I was desperately in love with him but I cheated on him. Not because I wanted anyone else but because I just needed attention, affection and those things in ways I don't need now.

I'm not making excuses AT ALL because I think we have big questions to answer in terms of loyalty, honesty and integrity; but I also think if you're a mess inside you're not a very good partner to anyone.

If I end up leaving this relationship permanently, it won't be with scars because I was cheated on and lost my self-esteem because after years of experience, heartbreak and therapy I am too strong to let someone else's behavior take that from me again.

If I end up giving this relationship a fresh start, it will be a healthy, open one where we have a stronger and better foundation than the first time around.

I am comfortable with both those outcomes and it's just for time to decide which it will be.

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What2Do78 · 27/11/2020 14:02

@ohmanseriously - Why do you find sex/intimacy disgusting? I have a marriage without this and I find it a huge struggle personally and most relationships would too, unless both were celibate and happy with this. I only mention this because he’s clearly still interested in sex and you’re not, how will this work for you both in the long run?

ohmanseriously · 27/11/2020 14:05

I love sex and intimacy. I just find it disgusting to do it with someone that isn't me :)

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Ariesbaby89 · 27/11/2020 14:46

@WomanFriday

Personally I’d ignore everything Katy123 said. You don’t need to ‘calm down’ because the level of upset you are experiencing is perfectly normal and justified in the circumstances.

I’d urge you to forget all the pretty words and sobbed apologies he’s given you. He cheated on you - a drunken mistake maybe the first time. But then he put your photos away and carried on again and again until the poor woman he was sleeping with wanted some sort of emotional commitment from him and then suddenly it was too much for him and he starts rejecting her. He had absolutely no intention of telling you, only her phone call alerted you.

My friend’s marriage has recently broken down. Her husband cheated on her, about 8yrs ago. She forgave him. They went on to have children. Then recently he announced that he wanted a divorce, he was seeing someone else and that was that. She’s left devastated and feeling an utter fool that she ever believed he would change. So yes, that’s the opinion I bring to the thread. It hasn’t happened to me personally but I’ve watched the impact of a cheater on a friend and it has been horrendous.

Please don’t tie your life and that of your son to this man. As Maya Angelou says ‘when someone shows you who they are, listen the first time’.

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BlueThistles · 27/11/2020 17:51

OP the OW could be sacked for accessing his Personnel File and using all his information to contact you.. a massive breach of GDPR 🌺

ohmanseriously · 27/11/2020 18:40

Yeah, I just think no one wants more drama and trouble and he's hardly innocent himself. If she leaves me alone now, that's enough and I hope she feels calmer soon and we can all get on with our lives.

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Blackberrycream · 27/11/2020 18:46

Op.
The replies on this thread are based on relationships where they were together, not physically apart for a year and a half. I was in a similar situation to you a while ago but it was discussed as we will see what happens and where we are in our feelings after a few months apart. I think the problem here may have been expectations. We ended up close but not close enough to disrupt lives and move. Your situation sounds very different. After a very long time apart, you are still very drawn to each other. In reality, 14 months apart is not together and the strongest relationships would struggle. You were not even together that long. Honestly, I think you should give it a shot. Life isn’t straight forward and this certainly isn’t a regular ‘ he’s cheated and he’ll do it again ‘ situation.
Good luck with whatever you choose.

ohmanseriously · 27/11/2020 19:01

Yes, thanks @blackberrycream that's very true. We're still feeling the same way about each other, despite the separation and what's going on and I know that's also a notable achievement to take on board. I also know the circumstances are unusual. I think it's not black and white, I agree.

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Blackberrycream · 27/11/2020 19:25

That was definitely what stood out reading your post. Good luck !

Chocaholic9 · 27/11/2020 19:32

How are you ever going to trust him in future, knowing that he hid this from you, and that if she hadn't accessed his HR file, you would probably ever know?

Chocaholic9 · 27/11/2020 19:32

*never

ohmanseriously · 27/11/2020 19:41

Exactly what I am thinking @Chocaholic9. I've been reading books on it and talking to the counselor to try and answer that question for myself.

I think the basis is you rebuild trust slowly. The person learned a very hard lesson from it so they behave over a long period of time in ways to help regrow that trust. Over a long period of time they behave in ways to show remorse, reassurance, love, support and over time you eventually you grow trust again from that.

I think that's what the deal is anyway, but of course it's easy to say it and harder to do it. I really don't know what will happen yet because I've not had time yet to work through those questions.

It might be that I can't and it spoils any chance of reconciliation, but I just haven't had enough time to know yet.

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80sColourfulChristmas · 27/11/2020 20:12

@ohmanseriously

Yes, it's 14 months. Because the island he is on is Covid free, so they've said if he leaves he can't come back so he's have to resign. So we agreed he'd stay and finish his contract. It's an extremely remote place. Four flights to get to London!
Haven't read the full thread but I cannot believe you fell for this ^

Absolute tosh. No company on EARTH could fire an employee for breaking quarantine for their partner being ill or other serious situation.
If he loved you, he'd have been in hospital with you right by your side. He's played you like a fiddle

ohmanseriously · 27/11/2020 21:06

I think if you'd read the thread you'd understand that was impossible. There have been no commercial flights since February due to covid. He's only getting off now by a charter the company paid for to repatriate folk.

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80sColourfulChristmas · 27/11/2020 21:38

@ohmanseriously

I think if you'd read the thread you'd understand that was impossible. There have been no commercial flights since February due to covid. He's only getting off now by a charter the company paid for to repatriate folk.
So you expect me to believe that he was imprisoned there? Against his will?!?! That is illegal. Neither civilians nor the military come above human rights. So if his mum/dad was dying for example he couldn't come home? Absolute tosh.

He's really, realllllly done a number on you.

blisstwins · 27/11/2020 22:09

Ow did nothing wrong. He hid OPS photos—deliberate intent to deceive. Plus she is single. OP and partner have no kids together and dated a year and a half before this. He prioritized money over her health and her kid’s health. OP has family, deals with stress through exercise, has a child, and aside from From $$$ hardship are the moment seems to have it together. You are 38 OP—move along. You deserve better.