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Talk some sense into me

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NotThiisAgaiin · 03/11/2020 19:37

20 years ago, in my early 20s, I had a very casual relationship with a guy. It was quite intense, but he could be a bit flaky (this was before mobiles did anything but calls, texts etc). It fizzled out and we went our separate ways.

Both married, both had a child each. By spooky coincidence we passed one another somewhere neither of us would usually go and got talking on Facebook during the summer of 2018. He had divorced a few years prior and had sole custody of his child, who has learning difficulties. I had just separated from my husband and was sharing custody of our child.

We met for coffee, and progressed to a relationship. I’d describe it as intense but casual but he told me he loved me within a couple of months, which frightened me. He had been flakey a couple of times, dropping our plans at the last minute and on one occasion without telling me. He would message regularly and then there would be days go by before there would be contact even though he was on FB regularly. Final straw came when we had arranged a weekend away - planned around his childcare weeks in advance, both looking forward to it etc. The night before he messaged saying he had to go to his parents for a religious celebration, would be odd if he was the only one not there etc. Didn’t answer questions about whether it was an afternoon thing or whatever, whether we could still have the weekend but just go later. I ended up going on my own and feeling like utter shit. He messaged once to say sorry and that he hoped I had a good time anyway. I ignored the message. When I got home he sent a long message saying he had fallen for me and that it scared him. He had a lot on his plate and couldn’t see how he could meet my expectations over time together etc. I had said throughout that I didn’t want a full on relationship as I had a lot on as well. We didn’t see each other again, just the odd friendly message for birthdays etc.

Fast forward to last month. He messaged me for my birthday and we got talking. Again lots of messages back and forth for days. My working pattern has changed since Covid and this offered an opportunity to see one another. This suggestion led to intense messaging over the last 3-4 weeks. I had suggested tomorrow to meet before the lockdown announcement. He was very keen. He hasn’t messaged since Saturday night. No reason I can see. My last message from Saturday and one Sunday morning were seen but no answer. He’s been all over Facebook since.

I’m not putting up with this shit this time round and would rather it stop now than start and end up in the situation I was in in 2018. People make time for the people they care about and I find it exceptionally rude to essentially be ignored like this. Again, I feel shit about myself because of someone else.

There is nothing I can think of that would prevent him from spending 20 seconds to send a quick text - even to say he’s up to his eyes - but spend hours each day on Facebook.

I really want to tell him this, but not quite sure how to, or when. Or, indeed, if. (I know if I say nothing I won’t get anything tomorrow - the day we could have met up.)

Anyone able to talk some sense into me? Please?

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PostItJoyWeek · 03/11/2020 19:40

Why do you want to tell him you know he could have messaged you? That's you feeding the drama llama.

Ghost the fucker.

shouldhavecalleditoatabix · 03/11/2020 19:43

@PostItJoyWeek

Why do you want to tell him you know he could have messaged you? That's you feeding the drama llama.

Ghost the fucker.

This^

You owe him nothing. Not even an explanation. Block him and move the fuck on.

rumred · 03/11/2020 19:43

Get rid. He's taking the piss

NotThiisAgaiin · 03/11/2020 19:44

I think because I didn’t get to say it last time even though it annoyed me. Bloody female social conditioning.

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TwentyViginti · 03/11/2020 19:45

Yes, ghost. Stop wasting your mental and emotional energy on him.

Sakurami · 03/11/2020 19:46

What a prick. Don't ever message him again or waste any time thinking of him. If he messages, don't answer. He's full of shit with the I'm scared I've fallen for you (so much so that I will ignore you, cancel plans etc - you don't do that to someone you like, let alone care about, or anyone really).

PostItJoyWeek · 03/11/2020 19:53

Actions will save you, not words, definitely not words said to him.

Block and delete. Silently. Bet he won't like them apples. Ha.

Hesfamousforit · 03/11/2020 19:54

Block him now and don't look back.

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wirldsgonemad · 03/11/2020 20:12

Urgh, well it seems a leopard never changes its spots. Just ghost him.

NotThiisAgaiin · 03/11/2020 20:15

Thank you all. I know you’re right. Just needed to hear it from someone else.

The ex before him (first time round) had a baby with someone else and I swear that hurt less than being ignored.

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bebarkered · 04/11/2020 02:36

There's nothing worse than being ignored as the saying goes. So true! What on earth is WRONG with this guy? Such a loser. I know everyone's advising you to ghost him, but, before you do, arrange to meet him to do something nice, stand him up, then ignore him permanently X

Wintersunn · 04/11/2020 04:48

Don’t waste anymore time on this man, unfortunately you’re not a priority for him. Block and move on or you’ll have another 20 years of this bullshit behaviour from him.

Suzi888 · 04/11/2020 05:31

Don’t do it! Block and move on. You’ll be doing this in months and years to come otherwise. Who knows what game he’s playing or why. Relationships and dating are meant to be fun, not second guessing etc. Kick him to the curb!

BessieSurtees · 04/11/2020 05:56

Three out of three times he has treat you bad, he won’t change, you won’t change him. Think about what you are hoping for then remind yourself he is never going to be or do it.

Don’t allow being disappointed or feeling shit become the norm for you, it can quickly become a pattern. Relationships should compliment your life not complicate it.

rwalker · 04/11/2020 06:01

he's just flakey and you will never change that.So accept it for what it is or move on.

NotThiisAgaiin · 04/11/2020 10:40

@BessieSurtees

Three out of three times he has treat you bad, he won’t change, you won’t change him. Think about what you are hoping for then remind yourself he is never going to be or do it.

Don’t allow being disappointed or feeling shit become the norm for you, it can quickly become a pattern. Relationships should compliment your life not complicate it.

Sadly the feeling shit is a pattern following childhood trauma. Have spent years in therapy trying to be less independent/avoidant and to trust others/be more open etc but unfortunately every time I take a chance it seems they prove me right. Which then validates my extreme independence which stem from childhood feelings of not being worthy/good enough/loved.

It’s not a good way to live. In some ways I’m happier on my own - nobody to let me down etc. But if I live another 40+ years that way I can’t help but feel it would be rather a waste of life, and not a good example to my child about how to interact with others, thus perpetuating the cycle. Sad

Guess I need to plan something else for my days off now to close the gap.

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NotThiisAgaiin · 04/11/2020 10:51

Last message I sent asked whether his fingers had fallen off.

Really want to send him 5 of these 🖕🏻 with a suitably pithy comment before I block him.

May have to sit on my hands. Grin

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PostItJoyWeek · 04/11/2020 11:18

Sadly the feeling shit is a pattern following childhood trauma. Have spent years in therapy trying to be less independent/avoidant and to trust others/be more open etc but unfortunately every time I take a chance it seems they prove me right. Which then validates my extreme independence which stem from childhood feelings of not being worthy/good enough/loved.

You are taking a chance on obvious losers! It's like saying you are taking a chance on being healthy while choosing to snog people with a temperature and a cough.

Smells like self-sabotage to me.

Bluntness100 · 04/11/2020 11:38

Op, honestly stop going back to this tosser. He lets you down, bins you off with bullshit reasons, ignores you and every time he clicks his fingers you come running. And he does it again to you

To put it rudely, he’s not the only cock out there, and only you can’t stop allowing him to treat you badly. Even sending him texts like “have your fingers fallen off” are not pithy, they are simply begging him to respond.

End it and walk away, and stop allowing him to treat you badly.

Dontletitbeyou · 04/11/2020 11:54

I think the thing you need to do when entering into a new relationship , is not blindly believe what people say. Watch what they do , not what they say . If you see a negative pattern emerging , call time on the relationship , block and move on . It will prevent you getting more hurt in the long run.
You knew how this was going to pan out , subconsciously, before it did . It’s an established pattern of behaviour .
Agree with pp , don’t feed the drama llama , you owe him nothing , just block and move on . That will bother him far far more than an angry /sarcastic text , where he will know he got to you .

NotThiisAgaiin · 04/11/2020 11:54

@PostItJoyWeek

Sadly the feeling shit is a pattern following childhood trauma. Have spent years in therapy trying to be less independent/avoidant and to trust others/be more open etc but unfortunately every time I take a chance it seems they prove me right. Which then validates my extreme independence which stem from childhood feelings of not being worthy/good enough/loved.

You are taking a chance on obvious losers! It's like saying you are taking a chance on being healthy while choosing to snog people with a temperature and a cough.

Smells like self-sabotage to me.

My husband was the complete opposite - after years of absolute fuckwits I happened upon someone without a malicious bone in his body who would never mess me around etc. Unfortunately he wasn’t very exciting and quite needy for me to like the same things as him and be around him all the time and we both ended up resenting our differences which led to quite a few unhappy/lonely years for both of us.

I don’t regret the marriage but I suppose it taught me that ideally I want something different - ie my own space and life but coming together with someone who I enjoy being with to add a bit of seasoning to life. Kind of like a long distance relationship but without the travel. I guess I thought that both of us having children to put first would mean that was inevitable and we could enjoy each other’s company around that without the pressure for it to build towards living together etc.

So I’m not sure it’s self sabotage, because on paper it should work. As far as I can tell he’s choosing not to message me (he’s been online, posting elsewhere so no physical/internet issues) which points to me not being worth messaging/remembering rather than anything else. Sad

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VettiyaIruken · 04/11/2020 12:06

How many times do you need to get picked up and chucked down by this bloke before you accept he's an ego boost seeking twat?

You've given him many more chances than anyone has a right to! Stop falling for his "I treat you like crap because I lurve you soooooo much and my feewings scare me" bollocks. How great must he feel knowing he can treat you like this as often as he wants and you'll keep on coming when he calls?

He's a shit. You deserve better

PostItJoyWeek · 04/11/2020 12:09

It is self-sabotage because that thing with the weekend away should have been a deal breaker for all time forever and you should barely be able to think his name without a string of expletives.

Yet you not only went back for more but engaged in psychobabble about how it isn't really his fault, it's all he has issues, you have issues, you aren't worth it blah blah blah.

It is really very simple. He is a dick who drops you when he feels like it. You for some bonkers reason can't say "ah, get to fuck mate" block, delete and put him firmly in the historical mental compartment of "this wanker I went out with a few times".

You are sticking your hand in the fire getting burned then saying ooh it isn't the fire's fault it is hot, I should have tougher skin, why does the fire burn me when I put my hand in I guess it just views me as fuel why am I so terrible.

Put him in the bin!

Bluntness100 · 04/11/2020 12:10

So I’m not sure it’s self sabotage, because on paper it should work

There is no such thing as on paper. What does that even mean. The guy treats you terribly and every time he snaps his fingers you go running back. On paper if he treated you like shit before the odds are be will keep doing it.

It is self sabotage