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Talk some sense into me

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NotThiisAgaiin · 03/11/2020 19:37

20 years ago, in my early 20s, I had a very casual relationship with a guy. It was quite intense, but he could be a bit flaky (this was before mobiles did anything but calls, texts etc). It fizzled out and we went our separate ways.

Both married, both had a child each. By spooky coincidence we passed one another somewhere neither of us would usually go and got talking on Facebook during the summer of 2018. He had divorced a few years prior and had sole custody of his child, who has learning difficulties. I had just separated from my husband and was sharing custody of our child.

We met for coffee, and progressed to a relationship. I’d describe it as intense but casual but he told me he loved me within a couple of months, which frightened me. He had been flakey a couple of times, dropping our plans at the last minute and on one occasion without telling me. He would message regularly and then there would be days go by before there would be contact even though he was on FB regularly. Final straw came when we had arranged a weekend away - planned around his childcare weeks in advance, both looking forward to it etc. The night before he messaged saying he had to go to his parents for a religious celebration, would be odd if he was the only one not there etc. Didn’t answer questions about whether it was an afternoon thing or whatever, whether we could still have the weekend but just go later. I ended up going on my own and feeling like utter shit. He messaged once to say sorry and that he hoped I had a good time anyway. I ignored the message. When I got home he sent a long message saying he had fallen for me and that it scared him. He had a lot on his plate and couldn’t see how he could meet my expectations over time together etc. I had said throughout that I didn’t want a full on relationship as I had a lot on as well. We didn’t see each other again, just the odd friendly message for birthdays etc.

Fast forward to last month. He messaged me for my birthday and we got talking. Again lots of messages back and forth for days. My working pattern has changed since Covid and this offered an opportunity to see one another. This suggestion led to intense messaging over the last 3-4 weeks. I had suggested tomorrow to meet before the lockdown announcement. He was very keen. He hasn’t messaged since Saturday night. No reason I can see. My last message from Saturday and one Sunday morning were seen but no answer. He’s been all over Facebook since.

I’m not putting up with this shit this time round and would rather it stop now than start and end up in the situation I was in in 2018. People make time for the people they care about and I find it exceptionally rude to essentially be ignored like this. Again, I feel shit about myself because of someone else.

There is nothing I can think of that would prevent him from spending 20 seconds to send a quick text - even to say he’s up to his eyes - but spend hours each day on Facebook.

I really want to tell him this, but not quite sure how to, or when. Or, indeed, if. (I know if I say nothing I won’t get anything tomorrow - the day we could have met up.)

Anyone able to talk some sense into me? Please?

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NotThiisAgaiin · 04/11/2020 12:17

@PostItJoyWeek

It is self-sabotage because that thing with the weekend away should have been a deal breaker for all time forever and you should barely be able to think his name without a string of expletives.

Yet you not only went back for more but engaged in psychobabble about how it isn't really his fault, it's all he has issues, you have issues, you aren't worth it blah blah blah.

It is really very simple. He is a dick who drops you when he feels like it. You for some bonkers reason can't say "ah, get to fuck mate" block, delete and put him firmly in the historical mental compartment of "this wanker I went out with a few times".

You are sticking your hand in the fire getting burned then saying ooh it isn't the fire's fault it is hot, I should have tougher skin, why does the fire burn me when I put my hand in I guess it just views me as fuel why am I so terrible.

Put him in the bin!

Thank you for this. You’re absolutely right.
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Opaljewel · 04/11/2020 12:46

@copperoliver Jesus that doesn't make you bipolar. Stop ridiculing mental health problems with stigma and attaching label's that aren't even true....

Opaljewel · 04/11/2020 12:51

Hey op. Maybe read up on unavailable relationships. Or unavailable people. My friend does the same thing. Always seems to be attracted to men who can't fully give themselves to her or are right for her in one way or another. I think it stems from abandonment and neglect in her youth. She is a wonderful person who will do anything for anyone. But I think she is starting to realise her worth. Remember you are worth something. You have to remind yourself of that if even if people have made you not trust them. Be your own cheerleader and treat yourself kindly. Don't let this man eat any more of your precious time.

NotThiisAgaiin · 04/11/2020 13:00

@Opaljewel

Hey op. Maybe read up on unavailable relationships. Or unavailable people. My friend does the same thing. Always seems to be attracted to men who can't fully give themselves to her or are right for her in one way or another. I think it stems from abandonment and neglect in her youth. She is a wonderful person who will do anything for anyone. But I think she is starting to realise her worth. Remember you are worth something. You have to remind yourself of that if even if people have made you not trust them. Be your own cheerleader and treat yourself kindly. Don't let this man eat any more of your precious time.
Thank you. This made me cry.
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Alicatz66 · 04/11/2020 13:04

Just put him in the bin ... he's wasting your time

Aminuts23 · 04/11/2020 13:04

OP there was a man in my past like this. He always sought me out when it suited him. Had an intense few weeks then he fucked off. He did it about 4 times over several years always when him and his then GF and now DW were on breaks (I believed him Hmm - naive I know).
The last time he came crawling back a couple of years ago, split from DW, should have stayed with me blah blah. He didn’t bank on the fact id have sorted me head out. I told him, in person, that the state of his marriage was a shame and thanks but no thanks.
He proper threw his toys out of the pram, called me all sorts then blocked me everywhere. I was slightly amused but gave no shits. It was empowering! The last time I saw him last year he was at a concert with his wife scarpering away from me as fast as he could. I still gave no shits. Dick.
Run for the hills OP. Get over this man so that next time you can see him you can metaphorically kick him in the nuts, adjust your crown and walk away Grin

NotThiisAgaiin · 04/11/2020 13:10

@Alicatz66

Just put him in the bin ... he's wasting your time
He is effectively in the bin.

He’ll probably realise that the day before my day off next week, as he rearranged something fairly significant to be able to see me. Unfortunately when he tries to get in touch he will find he is unable to. 💪🏼

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NotThiisAgaiin · 04/11/2020 13:12

I’ve just packed up the new underwear I bought for our date next week to send it back. So I’ll have £100 to treat myself (and only myself) to on my day off next week when he would have been enjoying that. His loss and my gain (although it did make me feel amazing after a year of “comfies” Sad)

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Weirdfan · 04/11/2020 13:14

I had one of these back in the day too, popped up when he needed his ego stroked and then disappeared before anything real could develop. Absolute waste of my time and it was a relief when I just stopped answering his calls. PP's are right, he belongs in the bin and giving him any more attention is merely feeding his ego.

iano · 04/11/2020 14:34

If it made you feel good then keep the underwear. Have you blocked him yet? You know he won't be in touch and you'll feel better having taken control.

NotThiisAgaiin · 04/11/2020 15:05

Just seems pointless to keep the underwear when I’ve nowhere to wear it - plus I would remember what I bought it for which could make me sad in future weeks. (I’m also exercising a fair bit at the moment so odds are it won’t fit soon.). I’m hoping I can find something that makes me feel even better with the money.

Have blocked him on social media and messenger. Haven’t blocked on WhatsApp, but he’s only used that once over 2 years ago so unlikely to use it, but not impossible. I have my settings on there not to show when messages have been read so he’ll be none the wiser if he does use it. I’m planning to leave that as it is until the end of my day off next week (when we should have met up) and then I’ll block him there as well. Part of me needs to see if he does try to get my attention/an explanation before I block everything for good. I don’t expect him to, and I won’t respond if he does.

Might even take a break from social media full stop for a few weeks after that. Bit of a mental detox before Xmas and see if I can’t start 2021 in better place.

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Bluntness100 · 04/11/2020 15:15

Op, just message him and say you don’t wish to continue this, not telling him gives you a way back in. He’s not in the bin until you tell him he is. Anything else is just a stalling technique.

If you don’t want to bin him you don’t need to admit it, it’s no ones business. You don’t need to pretend on here. But if you do then tell him it’s over.

NotThiisAgaiin · 04/11/2020 15:27

I do want to take control and end it. (Didn’t you tell me earlier not to message him?!). But I also have the opportunity to let him (possibly) think we’re meeting and to find out how it feels to be let down. That may be petty or childish, but for the sake of a few days - where it won’t make a difference whether he gets in touch or carries on as is because I’m not playing his game anymore - it’s an opportunity I don’t want to miss.

There has been considerable build up to this date and I’d like to think, even though I can’t know, that it makes him regret being a twat. Even if just for a small portion of the hours he knows he would have had me.

I think then I’ll block everywhere and finally have closure to be able to move forward.

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Ritascornershop · 04/11/2020 15:57

I had one of these for far too long. It’s difficult as when it’s good it’s great and (for me anyway) the confusion around why someone would easily drop something so good, put in so little effort. It’s really hard on the confidence.

I’m impressed you’re wasting no more time on him!! I wasted years on mine and now I’m looking at why (family of origin stuff). Thanks for the thread, it’s got me thinking. I hope he does get an inkling of what it’s like.

NotThiisAgaiin · 04/11/2020 16:06

Thank you. Still feels like total shit. When it’s good it’s sooooooooo good.

A few times in the past the issue was down to his son who has quite significant needs and he has regular operations etc. So I’m never sure if lack of messages is because he’s back in hospital or whatever and I frankly couldn’t bring myself to be selfish in that circumstance. So I start giving the benefit of the doubt. But when he’s posting all over Facebook whilst ignoring me, it gets my heckles up, and then ultimately the demons within take me down. Sad

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PostItJoyWeek · 04/11/2020 16:33

If you want hot revenge this way go for it. Be aware it may well backfire. He obviously does not view you as a person whose emotions matter. He is obviously very selfish. Chances are that he will berate you terribly, create a mental health crisis or such like and make you feel awful.

Me, I'd go silent from this moment forwards.

Bluntness100 · 04/11/2020 16:35

I do want to take control and end it. (Didn’t you tell me earlier not to message him

No. I said end it.

Honestly I think you’re making excuses to your self not to. If he texts you you’ll go running back and go on the date. And that’s fine, but just accept what you’re signing up for.

PostItJoyWeek · 04/11/2020 16:35

Lots of things are great if you exclude the bad bits.

You could say that people who hate marmite love marmite toast if you don't count the marmite (but they still have to eat it).

bebarkered · 04/11/2020 16:41

So pleased for you OP that you've let the trash take itself out. If, at any point you find yourself smelling the trash, have a spritz of your favourite perfume, and, think of this - pussy rules the world

NotThiisAgaiin · 04/11/2020 16:46

@Bluntness100

I do want to take control and end it. (Didn’t you tell me earlier not to message him

No. I said end it.

Honestly I think you’re making excuses to your self not to. If he texts you you’ll go running back and go on the date. And that’s fine, but just accept what you’re signing up for.

I absolutely won’t. I’ve just booked myself a bargain spa day and ordered a book I’ve been desperate to read to take with me! I won’t even be in the same county as him that day.
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NotThiisAgaiin · 04/11/2020 16:48

Nor will I be able to look at or answer my phone until the spa closes.

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Bluntness100 · 04/11/2020 16:49

Well then well done op. Because that’s always the risk, you don’t nail the coffin shut, then there is a risk it will flip open...

NotThiisAgaiin · 04/11/2020 16:58

Thanks. It’s been so long since I have had a day for just me. It genuinely feels like I’m giving myself a gift.

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MaelyssQ · 04/11/2020 17:02

You still sound totally hung up on him. Can't you see he really doesn't give a shit about you? He probably won't even realise you've blocked him. You're nothing to him. He posts merrily away on social media and doesn't contact you because he doesn't count you as being anyone important.

PS: Please don't return the underwear if you've tried it on!!!

FingersCrossedForAllOfUs · 04/11/2020 17:07

I might be going against the tide here but I think you should send him one final message and show you are the grown up. Spell out that it is obvious he values Facebook over spending a minute texting you to confirm plans and keep in touch. You no longer want to spend time waiting for him to be bothered to contact you. Send it the day before you are due to meet then block him and it’s done.
Enjoy your spa day and onwards and upwards.

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