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Talk some sense into me

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NotThiisAgaiin · 03/11/2020 19:37

20 years ago, in my early 20s, I had a very casual relationship with a guy. It was quite intense, but he could be a bit flaky (this was before mobiles did anything but calls, texts etc). It fizzled out and we went our separate ways.

Both married, both had a child each. By spooky coincidence we passed one another somewhere neither of us would usually go and got talking on Facebook during the summer of 2018. He had divorced a few years prior and had sole custody of his child, who has learning difficulties. I had just separated from my husband and was sharing custody of our child.

We met for coffee, and progressed to a relationship. I’d describe it as intense but casual but he told me he loved me within a couple of months, which frightened me. He had been flakey a couple of times, dropping our plans at the last minute and on one occasion without telling me. He would message regularly and then there would be days go by before there would be contact even though he was on FB regularly. Final straw came when we had arranged a weekend away - planned around his childcare weeks in advance, both looking forward to it etc. The night before he messaged saying he had to go to his parents for a religious celebration, would be odd if he was the only one not there etc. Didn’t answer questions about whether it was an afternoon thing or whatever, whether we could still have the weekend but just go later. I ended up going on my own and feeling like utter shit. He messaged once to say sorry and that he hoped I had a good time anyway. I ignored the message. When I got home he sent a long message saying he had fallen for me and that it scared him. He had a lot on his plate and couldn’t see how he could meet my expectations over time together etc. I had said throughout that I didn’t want a full on relationship as I had a lot on as well. We didn’t see each other again, just the odd friendly message for birthdays etc.

Fast forward to last month. He messaged me for my birthday and we got talking. Again lots of messages back and forth for days. My working pattern has changed since Covid and this offered an opportunity to see one another. This suggestion led to intense messaging over the last 3-4 weeks. I had suggested tomorrow to meet before the lockdown announcement. He was very keen. He hasn’t messaged since Saturday night. No reason I can see. My last message from Saturday and one Sunday morning were seen but no answer. He’s been all over Facebook since.

I’m not putting up with this shit this time round and would rather it stop now than start and end up in the situation I was in in 2018. People make time for the people they care about and I find it exceptionally rude to essentially be ignored like this. Again, I feel shit about myself because of someone else.

There is nothing I can think of that would prevent him from spending 20 seconds to send a quick text - even to say he’s up to his eyes - but spend hours each day on Facebook.

I really want to tell him this, but not quite sure how to, or when. Or, indeed, if. (I know if I say nothing I won’t get anything tomorrow - the day we could have met up.)

Anyone able to talk some sense into me? Please?

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NotThiisAgaiin · 04/11/2020 17:13

@MaelyssQ

You still sound totally hung up on him. Can't you see he really doesn't give a shit about you? He probably won't even realise you've blocked him. You're nothing to him. He posts merrily away on social media and doesn't contact you because he doesn't count you as being anyone important.

PS: Please don't return the underwear if you've tried it on!!!

My boobs were perfectly clean, thanks. Hmm
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MaelyssQ · 04/11/2020 18:15

@NotThiisAgaiin

Oopsy, I assumed it was a matching set not just a bra! I used to work in customer returns in M&S and you'd be surprised what people returned, claiming it was unworn!!!

Maybe one final text will give you some closure?

NotThiisAgaiin · 04/11/2020 18:25

I know what size knickers I wear. Bras are more variable and I usually have to buy several sizes to get a good shape/fit so end up sending back the majority anyway. I’ve sent the lot back this time though.

I’ll sleep on the text idea.

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diettomorrow · 04/11/2020 19:26

I had a similar experience with someone a few years ago.

The trouble is that you get feelings and then you give them too many chances. Pesky oxytocins!

In hindsight I should have spelt things out calmly in a text, had boundaries and stuck to them.

It took me a long time to realise that no one wants to be with someone without boundaries because they don't value or respect them.

So this person got back in touch recently and I blocked them.

You will get over this person that messes you around OP.

NotThiisAgaiin · 04/11/2020 19:50

Such a waste that something so good can be spoiled by such a relatively easy to resolve thing.

I wish I could be a fly on the wall when he realises. I’m convinced he hasn’t changed his mind. I don’t know how he thinks this is going to go. Does he really think it’s okay to ignore someone like this?

Grrrrrrrr. So frustrating!

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edwinbear · 04/11/2020 23:22

Thing is OP, he’s not thinking about you when he ignores you. He’s thinking about himself, what he needs and wants, men like this really don’t give you a passing thought when they get a better offer that they fancy doing more.

They make a plan with you, which sounds good when they make it. Then something better (in their minds) comes up and all they think about, is what suits them best. You’re not part of that thought process.

PostItJoyWeek · 05/11/2020 00:32

Selfishness is not easy to resolve

NotThiisAgaiin · 05/11/2020 10:30

Ain’t that the truth.

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SoulofanAggron · 05/11/2020 10:51

Well done for blocking him on stuff. Please block him on WhatsApp now. If you don't block him before the weekend you could feel bad that he hasn't got in touch. If you block him then you take back control.

NotThiisAgaiin · 05/11/2020 11:56

I know it sounds odd, but I feel I really need to know if/when he remembers, and if he cares enough to engage his brain and try more than one way to contact me. Absolutely not to do anything about it, but to know that maybe he feels a little bit of the hurt he’s caused and learns a lesson from it. It won’t make any difference to me whether he learns/changes his behaviour because I won’t be seeing him again. But having been on the receiving end more than once that’s the bit I wish he understood.

And if he doesn’t WhatsApp, which i think he’s unlikely to do anyway, then he didn’t care enough to remember or make any effort, and it’ll be a whole lot easier to get over him and move on. Otherwise I fear there may always be a “what if” that potentially allows me to soften over it in the future. Which I don’t want.

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PostItJoyWeek · 05/11/2020 12:14

You give him too much power.

You are actively planning future emotions, future decisions based on his feelings. No!!!!!

Given he has been a mega twat, why would you soften? Interesting choice of word "soften" You have gone for the positive spin word. You didn't choose "cave" or "be manipulated"

Do you also tell yourself you are "too nice"?

Give him less power. Know yourself. Act accordingly. Apparently one of the characteristic traits of people who keep getting into codependent relationships is a poor sense of self. I suggest blocking him then going on a voyage of self-discovery: Who are you, what are your values?

I recommend the book The Reality Slap (kinder than it sounds!)

VivaMiltonKeynes · 05/11/2020 12:35

@edwinbear

Thing is OP, he’s not thinking about you when he ignores you. He’s thinking about himself, what he needs and wants, men like this really don’t give you a passing thought when they get a better offer that they fancy doing more.

They make a plan with you, which sounds good when they make it. Then something better (in their minds) comes up and all they think about, is what suits them best. You’re not part of that thought process.

This 100% and they contact you when they are needing a boost.
NotThiisAgaiin · 05/11/2020 12:52

You’re right.

I’ll get there. I promise.

Thanks for your support. Smile

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NotThiisAgaiin · 05/11/2020 19:53

Aaarrrgggghhhhh. Flip flopping between anger (and wanting to tell him exactly how much of a twat he is) and sadness (because the last few weeks have been sooooooo much fun).

Luckily having blocked him yesterday I’ve no choice but to distract myself. This sucks. Sad

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TripleSeptic · 05/11/2020 20:43

What would you tell your child to do if they were in this situation?

NotThiisAgaiin · 05/11/2020 20:57

Don’t. I dread this ever happening to her.

I know the logic. I know in a week this won’t feel so shit. But right now my brain wants to make sense of something that makes no sense to me. And it hurts.

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StrippedFridge · 05/11/2020 21:07

Ultimately you need to create a story, a narrative for the relationship. One where you acknowledge the fun parts as well as the daft decisions. For me, I like to pretend I am a third party who has been asked to write a magazine article about the relationship that must be truthful and makes you look good. What would your story be?

jbee1979 · 05/11/2020 22:41

It will only continue to hurt each time you let this man into your life. He's not flakey, he's using you, taking advantage of you. If you saw your daughter being taken advantage of in the same way, you'd wonder why she doesn't have the self worth to kick him to the kerb, why she's hanging around for him to throw her a few crumbs. If he was your brother, telling you he'd hooked up with a woman from the past, and you knew he'd treated her badly before, wouldn't you want to put your arms round her, and tell her he's not worth the effort? Hurt + hurt doesn't equal love. Hurt + hurt = hurt. I'm sorry you're hurting, you can't salvage this. It's not up to you to save him from himself. He's just fine the way he is.

bebarkered · 06/11/2020 00:23

OP, try this. Take out of the equation the physical attraction you feel towards him, and, see the person for WHO HE REALLY IS. He's one of those people who puts himself first. His time is more important than yours, clearly identified by dropping plans with you at the last minute/not even letting you know on one occasion. Messaging you regularly, then going days with no contact. And, the weekend he let you down at the last minute when you were going away together! Then, ignoring your question about was he attending the religious ceremony am/pm, could you leave for your trip later, etc. Talk about selfish, and, putting his wants & needs before yours! Don't pass these off as him being a bit flaky, he's unreliable, he doesn't care if he doesn't see you, or, hear from you. For all he knows, you could be dead in the periods that you don't hear from him. Sounds dramatic, but, it's true. What do you think now? X

StraightTalkingSally · 06/11/2020 06:15

Good riddance! Ghost him hun! You're worth more than that! xxx

notsurewhattodo22 · 06/11/2020 08:18

I've got a similar post going on ☹

I still look at mine as being 'amazing ', he isn't! These types of men are inherently selfish....their time is always more important.

Well done for blocking.

IJustWantSomeBees · 06/11/2020 09:02

OP even if you set your settings on WhatsApp so it doesn't say you've read it he can still see if you have opened his message. If you go to delete your message, it will give you the option of 'delete for me only' or 'delete for all'. If he clicks to delete his message and you've read his message then the only option he will have is 'delete for me only' and that will show him that you've read his message. Just a heads up.

Congrats on standing up for yourself and cutting this waste of space out of your life, it sounds like you're on the path to self-love Flowers

NotThiisAgaiin · 06/11/2020 13:02

It’s years of “self-love” that makes losing some aspects of this fucked up situation so upsetting. Blush

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StrippedFridge · 06/11/2020 13:30

Other good shags can be found.

Cock is abundant.

NotThiisAgaiin · 06/11/2020 23:44

Cock is abundant

I’m getting that put on a t-shirt. Grin

I tried the story idea above but it didn’t really work for me. This has though:

It’s been about 500,000 seconds since he last messaged me/since I last heard from him. And he couldn’t spare 30 of them to send me a message.

Let’s convert that to money. It’s like having £500k and not buying someone a takeaway. To me that’s really selfish and mean. It would cost little for him to play his part in keeping this ticking over between meet ups, but he can’t be bothered.

I’m really starting to see it as his loss though. That’s good, right?

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