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Talk some sense into me

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NotThiisAgaiin · 03/11/2020 19:37

20 years ago, in my early 20s, I had a very casual relationship with a guy. It was quite intense, but he could be a bit flaky (this was before mobiles did anything but calls, texts etc). It fizzled out and we went our separate ways.

Both married, both had a child each. By spooky coincidence we passed one another somewhere neither of us would usually go and got talking on Facebook during the summer of 2018. He had divorced a few years prior and had sole custody of his child, who has learning difficulties. I had just separated from my husband and was sharing custody of our child.

We met for coffee, and progressed to a relationship. I’d describe it as intense but casual but he told me he loved me within a couple of months, which frightened me. He had been flakey a couple of times, dropping our plans at the last minute and on one occasion without telling me. He would message regularly and then there would be days go by before there would be contact even though he was on FB regularly. Final straw came when we had arranged a weekend away - planned around his childcare weeks in advance, both looking forward to it etc. The night before he messaged saying he had to go to his parents for a religious celebration, would be odd if he was the only one not there etc. Didn’t answer questions about whether it was an afternoon thing or whatever, whether we could still have the weekend but just go later. I ended up going on my own and feeling like utter shit. He messaged once to say sorry and that he hoped I had a good time anyway. I ignored the message. When I got home he sent a long message saying he had fallen for me and that it scared him. He had a lot on his plate and couldn’t see how he could meet my expectations over time together etc. I had said throughout that I didn’t want a full on relationship as I had a lot on as well. We didn’t see each other again, just the odd friendly message for birthdays etc.

Fast forward to last month. He messaged me for my birthday and we got talking. Again lots of messages back and forth for days. My working pattern has changed since Covid and this offered an opportunity to see one another. This suggestion led to intense messaging over the last 3-4 weeks. I had suggested tomorrow to meet before the lockdown announcement. He was very keen. He hasn’t messaged since Saturday night. No reason I can see. My last message from Saturday and one Sunday morning were seen but no answer. He’s been all over Facebook since.

I’m not putting up with this shit this time round and would rather it stop now than start and end up in the situation I was in in 2018. People make time for the people they care about and I find it exceptionally rude to essentially be ignored like this. Again, I feel shit about myself because of someone else.

There is nothing I can think of that would prevent him from spending 20 seconds to send a quick text - even to say he’s up to his eyes - but spend hours each day on Facebook.

I really want to tell him this, but not quite sure how to, or when. Or, indeed, if. (I know if I say nothing I won’t get anything tomorrow - the day we could have met up.)

Anyone able to talk some sense into me? Please?

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GentlemanJay · 06/11/2020 23:51

I've met a couple of flakey people in my time. The best revenge is best served slow and cold. Don't block. That shows you've spent some time and thought. I left their messages unread. It really pissed them both off. It worked a treat. Lol.

HollowTalk · 07/11/2020 00:05

It's not even a proper takeaway. It's a bag of chips.

NotThiisAgaiin · 07/11/2020 00:14

Quite.

Still a bit sad about it, but also feeling glad I have nipped it in the bud instead of repeating old patterns which would have made me feel worse for longer, I’m sure. Have already invested time in me this week and feeling stronger, most of the time. 💪🏼

And I hope this is positive, but a colleague said to me today (we were having a challenging time of it) “there really is nobody like you, is there? You’re a true one off.” And an hour later my boss said “don’t you be thinking of going anywhere - I can’t do this without you”. I put both comments in my diary to remind myself that there are people that will find little ways to show you your value, and that those that don’t ever really try to aren’t really worth worrying about. 💖

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TheTangoTerrorIsTerrifying · 07/11/2020 00:18

I’m glad to read your more recent posts OP. Know your worth just like the good people around you do.
It really is this loser’s loss, he is showing his true self now. You are so much stronger and better than he is. Onwards and upwards for you.

incognitomum · 07/11/2020 00:24

Just read about mr flake. I had one of those. He drove me crackers! It was a control thing for him. Plus I don't think he had a huge amount of respect for women.

I hope you don't feel tempted if he does get in touch somehow.

There is someone right for you. Just realise most aren't.

I found dh when I was 40 and we've been together 12 years. I honestly didn't expect to meet someone and marry again after all the oddbods I found before him.

NotThiisAgaiin · 07/11/2020 00:28

I’m not sure I’ll look for anyone else, to be honest. I don’t exactly have the best track record!

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londonscalling · 07/11/2020 01:42

Just say what you told us ...

"I’m not putting up with this shit this time round. People make time for the people they care about and I find it exceptionally rude to essentially be ignored like this".

DeeCeeCherry · 07/11/2020 01:48

You've both said you're scared to love each other. You said throughout that you didn't want a full-on relationship. Mixed messages, neither of you could just get on with being together so, given current circumstances too there isn't anything to hold on to. Best just knock it on the head especially as you didn't want a full relationship anyway and now it seems, nor did he.

NotThiisAgaiin · 07/11/2020 20:28

Today feels so long. Saturdays would usually be punctured with lots of messages. Have sorted out my bedroom drawers and done some baking. Caught up on the news. Read part of a book. Feeling quite lonely though with so little interaction. The future feels quite bleak. And long.

I know this will pass. I know I’ve done the right thing. I know I was heading for more pain.

Just need to shush my brain which keeps interrupting with “but what if”, “you could do x/y/z”. Gonna go for a long run followed by a long soak in the bath I think. See if I can’t shake this funk off. Sad

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TheTangoTerrorIsTerrifying · 07/11/2020 20:40

You will get over her OP. Keeping busy is the best idea.

Lovelynaughtycat · 07/11/2020 22:33

Actions speak louder than words.
Do not cave-in.
I've been through exactly the same and it is gutting when you can see so much potential, and get radio silence in return.

NotThiisAgaiin · 07/11/2020 22:43

Yep. Clock watching now to 11pm. That will mark a whole week. I ran 10 miles and ate good food so allowing myself 30 mins of wallowing. 11pm marks the next phase where I will shower him off me along with all the other dirt. Then I’ll snuggle up in bed with a good book (to remember that other good things can happen when you’re lying down!) and sleep till I wake naturally tomorrow (no need to set an alarm).

I did the 30 days no contact last time which was hard but so brilliant once complete. So I’ll start that from tomorrow whatever happens.

Thanks again for the support.

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incognitomum · 08/11/2020 12:17

How are you doing today OP?

NotThiisAgaiin · 08/11/2020 12:36

Not great. Hoping to find my mojo at the bottom of a very large and very strong coffee.

I feel stupid to have started to get involved again thinking things might be different from last time. I’m angry that I let myself fall for his shit and that he may actually think this sort of behaviour is okay. I’m sad for the loss (but also realise how utterly ridiculous that sounds on Remembrance Sunday Blush).

I’m torn between pulling the duvet over my head and staying out or forcing myself to be productive decluttering my wardrobe or something. I’m a believer in using the energy for good, but I’m also just feeling everything is a bit pointless.

He must have commented on a mutual friend’s Facebook post because he’s referenced in responses but I obviously can’t see his posts. I haven’t posted on it so he won’t realise he’s been blocked that way.

Looking forward to my spa day tomorrow though. Mustn’t read all the books before I get there!

Thanks for asking.

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incognitomum · 08/11/2020 13:25

Aww I know the feeling. It's a total head fuck. Men like this are emotionally stunted I think.

Enjoy tomorrow and tell us how it goes Flowers

incognitomum · 08/11/2020 13:27

Oh and what books have you got? I'm reading The Yorkshire shepherdess at the moment almost finished. And trying to read Postscript by Cecilia Ahern. It's the follow up to p.s I love you.

RealSadHelp · 08/11/2020 13:31

@PostItJoyWeek

Why do you want to tell him you know he could have messaged you? That's you feeding the drama llama.

Ghost the fucker.

Wow! This comment here is like that first handbag you see... no matter how many comments after you’ll keep going back to this first comment.
NotThiisAgaiin · 08/11/2020 13:37

I’m not really a fiction lover, to be honest. Too many things I want to know and understand.

I have Breath by James Nestor, Start With Why by Simon Sinek, and Invisible Women by Caroline Criado Perez (although this one is likely to make me very angry indeed). Should keep me suitably distracted. Grin

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RealSadHelp · 08/11/2020 13:38

NotThiisAgain

You are an inspiration. I’m dealing with a shitty husband at the moment who is shitty and around me constantly. I can’t do half those things you can do without being watched and judged like a hawk.
I’m so sick of him judging me and being patronising.

Thanks for the reminder how to be strong and ignore someone. I am angry at him but I made him breakfast. What I want to do is just be left alone without the need for arguments or bickering.

So, I’ll be taking a leaf out of your book to do things to make ME happy and to keep me sane!

Can’t let these men control out emotions whether they are far or near.

Women empowerment.

I’m gonna give myself a facial and paint my nails!!
Might even have a soak in the bath tonight!
LOVELY!

whataday12 · 08/11/2020 13:47

Sadly op and I think we have all been in this situation but I don't think he is that keen on you 😢. I think your kind of a back up plan when he's bored or when there's no one 'better around ' . I went through this so many times but the last time hurt me pretty bad same as you really . Panning to go away . The day would come he woundnt message me but he all over Facebook . Then the next day there were photos of him being out ! I havnt and would never put my self in that situation again. It has made me so wary of men now x

NotThiisAgaiin · 08/11/2020 13:54

Stick some earphones in. Play music or a podcast or an audiobook through them and just let anything he says disappear into the air —like a fart—.

I think it’s much easier that my Twat is at a distance and I only have to deal with the online stuff at the moment. I don’t ever need to drive near his for any reason, we aren’t so close that we are likely to bump into one another anytime. We don’t go to the same places or do the same things. Never met each other’s kids etc. And my work is so busy that I don’t have chance to think about him during the working day. So it’s as if it never was to the rest of the world.

It’s a double edged sword though. That weekend away that I went on on my own put me in my own head too much on top of the emotional aspects of being let down. And it’s not good for me to get stuck there too much - the downward spiral can be steep.

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NotThiisAgaiin · 08/11/2020 13:55

That was for @RealSadHelp

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NotThiisAgaiin · 08/11/2020 14:43

@whataday12

Sadly op and I think we have all been in this situation but I don't think he is that keen on you 😢. I think your kind of a back up plan when he's bored or when there's no one 'better around ' . I went through this so many times but the last time hurt me pretty bad same as you really . Panning to go away . The day would come he woundnt message me but he all over Facebook . Then the next day there were photos of him being out ! I havnt and would never put my self in that situation again. It has made me so wary of men now x
I know he is into me. I think he has issues stemming from the abusive marriage he fled from with his son (I know this is true as mutual friends were responsible for getting him out of it).

His son has considerable needs and is unlikely to ever live independently. He has 24 hours respite per week and that’s not long to do all the child free things you want to do.

He has been single for about 5 years. Only one relationship of about 6 months in that time. I don’t know whether she wanted all of his free time but I wouldn’t. Last time around he was talking about us going to places together then kind of pulled back. As though he thought I would expect that (I absolutely don’t).

I can understand him not wanting any disruption for his son. I can’t imagine how challenging day to day life is for them, and I wouldn’t ever expect or demand that I be prioritised over that. I don’t think he believes that though because of whatever went before. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Not that it matters. He’s shown he’s learned nothing and so this door is closed.

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NotThiisAgaiin · 08/11/2020 20:15

Proper angry this evening. Going to give the masseur a run for their money tomorrow!

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notsurewhattodo22 · 08/11/2020 20:18

Don't mean to change the subject but are they still doing spa days / massages during lockdown?

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