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Too Soon After Wife Passed Away?

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DontBlameMe79 · 30/10/2020 04:55

First time poster, need to share and don't have anyone else. Short story is there is a senior bloke at work that I've worked closely with for the last 3 years (not my boss). He seemed to be one of those too good to be true types, everyone likes him, natural leader without being overbearing, supportive of his team, amazing dry sense of humour had me in stitches, and he did all this without seeming to try that hard (is a workaholic tho). Long-time marriage and 2 DCs in early 20s (I think he's mid-50s). I'm 41 and divorced 5 years ago, one DC is 12. Separation reasonably amicable, just didn't work in the end and we rub along now. I've dated on and off but it's depressing. I admit I had a massive crush on this guy when we started working together but circumstances meant nothing happened obviously and he was always just professional, but I fell pretty hard. Managed to shake it in the end, but it's never completely gone away.

Then his wife passed away in March, right before COVID. Short illness and no treatment apparently. I didn't see that much of him right after because of lockdown but from what I heard from others he was devastated. Then for the last couple of months I've seen him again at work and he's subdued but doing the stiff upper lip thing but I sometimes see him staring out of the window looking sad and my heart melts. Then we had lunch at work a few weeks ago that was supposed to be a quick sandwich on business but we ended up over 2 hours. He talked about his wife and some of how he felt, but he's still pretty guarded. I just listened for the most part. He seems fatalistic about what's happened but obviously massive impact. Anyway that two hours triggered the feelings I had 3 years ago in a way I've never experienced before, to the point of not sleeping, losing appetite, like I'm 15 again blah blah. He's never given any indication of being interested in me as anything other than a friend and work colleague, but before his loss we had so much chemistry when we were talking and the occasional little flirt from both of us. I always found him physically very attractive and he has a weird physical issue (it's a bit identifying so I won't say more) that everyone can see that he acts as if is not even there. The way he just gets on with things despite this is another part of the attraction, I suppose it's the confidence. I know I'm gushing but I don't have anyone else to say this to.

Now I don't know what to do. I want to respect what happened to his wife, but truth is he's the first potential partner since my divorce I can even imagine being with. Here's the thing though, I know there are others who think the same and fact is he's also loaded financially from career success. I'm fortunate myself so that's not a factor, but that plus his other attributes mean I can't get out of my head that he's going to be targeted and I'll suddenly find out he's with someone else. The thought of that happening is making me feel physically sick. Literally. I've even been hoping for tighter lockdown in the hope it will stop anything else happening. So looking for some views on whether it's too soon to try to nudge things along ever so subtly, and even how to do it. I don't want to look like a vulture but my thoughts are driving me nuts. Which is why I'm posting this in the middle of the night :( sorry for the rambling. I just needed to share really.

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seensome · 30/10/2020 10:36

I don't think you should make a move but mostly because you work together and I expect he is also being professional if he had any thought of it. Keep being happy and positive around him rather than mentioning his wife (you've already done that) let him see you are a joy to be around and a good friend, if anything was to happen then leave it to him, perhaps find an opportunity to have lunch again and talk about things other than work or wife.

CeibaTree · 30/10/2020 10:39

I think if he is unloading his feelings about his wife's death onto you, he is probably not considering you as a romantic partner. Sorry.

BreatheAndFocus · 30/10/2020 10:47

2 years!? hmm
You must mourn and wail and dress in black for 2 years!

Yes, because I said all those things, along with you must be cruel to fluffy kittens 🙄

My point was it’s best for potential new partners to allow that two years. Nowhere did I say the bereaved person couldn’t do what they felt was right for them as an individual. Um...and that includes choosing what clothes they wear 🙄

Hitting on someone recently bereaved so soon is tacky. What the bereaved person chooses to do themselves is irrelevant to that and I made no reference to it - nor would I because grief is a personal thing.

ravenmum · 30/10/2020 10:52

If I could wait a year to find out I would. The fear is he's not going to be around for a year.
Why do you think this is so important to you? Why so much excitement and importance hanging on such a thin little thread of a potential relationship?

Ihg27 · 30/10/2020 10:55

@BreatheAndFocus

*2 years!? hmm You must mourn and wail and dress in black for 2 years!*

Yes, because I said all those things, along with you must be cruel to fluffy kittens 🙄

My point was it’s best for potential new partners to allow that two years. Nowhere did I say the bereaved person couldn’t do what they felt was right for them as an individual. Um...and that includes choosing what clothes they wear 🙄

Hitting on someone recently bereaved so soon is tacky. What the bereaved person chooses to do themselves is irrelevant to that and I made no reference to it - nor would I because grief is a personal thing.

As someone who dated my now wife weeks after her husband was killed I find that offensive.

I though long and hard and was fully aware of the potential issues and also other people’s (sound like you would be a prime candidate for an eye roll) reactions.

We both went into it eyes wide open and decided to stuff what anyone else thought.

And guess what, we are both incredibly happy that we did.

This will make your eyes roll. She now openly admits she is happier than she was before and that our new relationship has made her see the faults that she was living with with her last partner.

Doesn’t mean she doesn’t still live him and doesn’t mean I am not respectful of him and his memory. Some of his things are still in our hone and that’s a bit difficult (she won’t have anything from my previous divorce in the house) but it makes her happy to retain those positive memories so is fine by me.

You sound pretty nasty to be honest, and I hope you never find your self in the same awful situation and feel like you have to pander to other peoples opinions on what grief should be.

BuffayTheVampireLayer · 30/10/2020 10:56

Why not strike up more of a friendship then see if it goes somewhere further down the line? Invite him for lunch, as a friend, as he clearly felt he could open up to you.

MrMeeseekscando · 30/10/2020 11:04

@ihg27 I'm glad you found happiness together. Smile
I often think others put time limits on other's grief because it's the done thing and nothing to do with supporting or respecting them.
I had friends being incredibly cruel to me because they felt 9 months was too soon. They didn't support me and make sure I was coping though. Hypocritical wankers.

VodselForDinner · 30/10/2020 11:05

@DryingMyHair

You make him sound like a piece of meat being circled by vultures.
Exactly this.

Poor man isn’t afforded any agency of his own.

Honestly, OP, you do sound quite nuts. I can see no evidence of this being anything other than limerence on your part.

Plus, even if he was interested, it’d more likely that his first relationship after a long marriage will be a fling and not in-line with your long-term plans for him.

Hellomoonstar · 30/10/2020 11:05

Ask him in a gentle but clear way. Get straight to the point and remind him he can say no. How do you deal with rejection? Would you be massively hurt if he said he wasn’t ready and got ready the following week with someone else?

MrMeeseekscando · 30/10/2020 11:07

@BreatheAndFocus

*2 years!? hmm You must mourn and wail and dress in black for 2 years!*

Yes, because I said all those things, along with you must be cruel to fluffy kittens 🙄

My point was it’s best for potential new partners to allow that two years. Nowhere did I say the bereaved person couldn’t do what they felt was right for them as an individual. Um...and that includes choosing what clothes they wear 🙄

Hitting on someone recently bereaved so soon is tacky. What the bereaved person chooses to do themselves is irrelevant to that and I made no reference to it - nor would I because grief is a personal thing.

What is tacky is deciding when grown adults can do things. They are grieving. Not incapable.
DontBlameMe79 · 30/10/2020 11:13

@ravenmum

If I could wait a year to find out I would. The fear is he's not going to be around for a year. Why do you think this is so important to you? Why so much excitement and importance hanging on such a thin little thread of a potential relationship?
I suppose it's comparing even a small chance (and I think it may be better than that) with someone I already know I like versus my 4 years of on and off OLD
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ravenmum · 30/10/2020 11:21

You would be opening yourself up to massive levels of disappointment, though, for the reasons mentioned by Hellomoonstar and Vodsel.
If you really do feel you have a chance, fair enough, but you really need to work on the over-excitement for that reason - and look into your heart and make sure you're not romanticising him because he's sad and you can dry his tears. (I may be projecting :) )

Mischance · 30/10/2020 11:23

Just be a supportive friend - if further develops then so be it - if not then you will have done a good deed.

DontBlameMe79 · 30/10/2020 11:23

@ravenmum

You would be opening yourself up to massive levels of disappointment, though, for the reasons mentioned by Hellomoonstar and Vodsel. If you really do feel you have a chance, fair enough, but you really need to work on the over-excitement for that reason - and look into your heart and make sure you're not romanticising him because he's sad and you can dry his tears. (I may be projecting :) )
fair comment though Raven
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JinglingHellsBells · 30/10/2020 11:26

You are both over-thinking this and under-thinking it.

IF this man is interested he will pursue you.

It's not up to you to decide if it's too soon UNLESS you want to ask him on a date.

FWIW I think you ought to step back.

You have put him on a pedestal and there is now evidence whatsoever that he fancies you- a little flirty banter in the office is a long way from him wanting to put his tongue down your throat and waltz you up the aisle.

Grow up- you sound like a 16 year old.

JinglingHellsBells · 30/10/2020 11:26

no evidence he fancies you

Ihg27 · 30/10/2020 11:28

[quote MrMeeseekscando]@ihg27 I'm glad you found happiness together. Smile
I often think others put time limits on other's grief because it's the done thing and nothing to do with supporting or respecting them.
I had friends being incredibly cruel to me because they felt 9 months was too soon. They didn't support me and make sure I was coping though. Hypocritical wankers.[/quote]
Ha. We had our fair share of hypocritical wankers. Mlst of whom weren't actually brave enough to do their bitching about us in person. The same hypocritical wankers you got annoyed at not being invited to the wedding.

I gave them more ammunition by the fact that when we started dating she was working and I was off with stress and depression. Perfect opportunity for people to say i was a freeloader. Unfortunately for them they couldn't see my bank balance at the time and now I am back working and my lovelybwife works for our business 10 hours a week because she wants to. If she didn't she could just stop. Some of the hypocritical wankers who thought I was trying to cash in when I got her an Audi and the motorbike she had always wanted for her 40th.

OP - tread carefully and be aware of all the potential pitfalls and the obvious risk that he a - might not want to entertain a relationship right now. b - might not want a relationship full stop.

What a lot of others haven't considered is that he might actually be longing for some female companionship but feeling he has to bow to the social pressures to be seen to be being respectful to his wife's memory as so ignorantly displayed by plenty on here.

Go gentle and be a listening ear and if he wants anything to develop thats up to him. Dont pressure him or build it up any further in your own head so that if he doesn't reciprocate you don't get hurt.

thornyhousewife · 30/10/2020 11:35

I'm surprised at how many people have come down hard on you OP.

He needs a supportive friendship right now. You obviously get on well so be a supportive friend.

That might change in the future as life goes on, but for now just be there for him.

DontBlameMe79 · 30/10/2020 11:48

@thornyhousewife

I'm surprised at how many people have come down hard on you OP.

He needs a supportive friendship right now. You obviously get on well so be a supportive friend.

That might change in the future as life goes on, but for now just be there for him.

I suppose I was thinking I would get a bit of negative feedback but it is more than I was expecting. I was hoping for more encouragement I guess to gently test the water (to be fair there has been a fair bit of that advice too). But since there's no point in asking if you don't at least consider what people are saying, I am thinking of moving to strictly professional and letting him initiate any interaction beyond just work. And see what happens and keep my fingers crossed.

I'm so bloody lonely :(

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greenspacesoverthere · 30/10/2020 11:48

If it's really important to you to know if he could see you as a partner in the future, ask him. Then you'll know.

VodselForDinner · 30/10/2020 11:57

He needs a supportive friendship right now

He does, but the OP isn’t the right person to support and guide him. She has ulterior motives right now.

If, for example, he went to OP and said he was looking for friendly advice as he wanted to try online dating, do you think she’d be able to guide him in an unbiased way, or would her own own interest cloud that?

I think keeping it professional and giving him some breathing space is the way to go, OP.

CharlottesComplicatedWeb · 30/10/2020 11:58

“No evidence he fancies you” 🙄

When you reach a certain point in life and have experienced loss and pain and just, LIFE, there’s more to relationships than mere “fancying”.

OP, you should reach out in the form of a friend. Who knows where that may lead?

ChristopherLillicrap · 30/10/2020 11:59

@thornyhousewife

I'm surprised at how many people have come down hard on you OP.

He needs a supportive friendship right now. You obviously get on well so be a supportive friend.

That might change in the future as life goes on, but for now just be there for him.

I agree he probably needs support but I'm not convinced that the OP is the best person to provide it. She's prioritising her own infatuation over the man's well-being.

A supportive friend would be pleased for him if he were to potentially meet someone in the near or distant future who could make him happy. They wouldn't be hoping for a lockdown so that he wouldn't have the opportunity.

baileys6904 · 30/10/2020 12:00

You refer to his dead wife as ' baggage'

Other women are ' predators' and you want to get to him first

You want lockdown to last longer so it keeps other women away from him

You are so not what this chap needs right now unless you change your thought process rapidly

It's not his problem you are lonely. Get counselling

JinglingHellsBells · 30/10/2020 12:12

A widower of 7 months is not the answer to your loneliness.

I have a friend who was widowed 2.5 years ago and she can't even get her head around the fact her husband is no longer alive.

You are far too emotionally invested with this man on the basis of next to nothing apart from your own agenda.

As you are colleagues surely you can see how very tricky all of this could be, if you started something that spooked him, or you indeed did date and it went pear-shaped?

I'm sorry but you sound as if you are looking for a lifeboat and he's there as the nearest one to jump on to.

You are terrified someone else can get to him first (he's a 'catch' in your eyes) and it all sounds very tacky.

Please back off and don't risk upsetting the work situation.