Prostitutes

[allgoodinthehood]

Can I please have an honest opinion on what you really think of people who use prostitution.
I was talking to a friend about it and we had completely different ideas on this subject.
ie a man using a prostitute when he was in a relationship and was away on holiday.

So I see the original poster has disappeared. Journalist on a fishing expedition?

Anybody can be as judgmental as they want about others - that's their prerogative. But there is nothing objectively wrong with engaging the consensual services of any adult, regardless of what that service is.

So - assuming from your name (and your attitude) that you are a man - you'd be happy for your daughter or wife to be a prostitute? You'd be thrilled to tell all your friends about the particular 'services' she specialises in, hand out her business card and recommend they all give her a call to enjoy those services themselves?

'But there is nothing objectively wrong with engaging the consensual services of any adult, regardless of what that service is.'

That's not true at all.

Selling a kidney is banned, even if I consent and so do the people doing the operation.

A man went to prison recently for doing body modification on consenting customers.

It used to be the case that you couldn't consent to be seriously injured in the course of consensual sex, the courts seen to have decided women can consent to death, but it looks like there's action to get that law back in place.

Euthanasia is illegal.

Paid surrogacy is currently illegal ('costs only' for the moment at least)

Probably more.

Have you ever tried thinking with your brain before you talk shit on the internet and show yourself up?

I would definitely change my opinion of a friend who I knew used a prostitute, and then I wouldn't want a friendship with that person if he used one whilst in a relationship with someone.

I even feel a bit grossed out that my OH went to a strip club a couple of weeks before we got together, even came home with a trophy photo of 2 completely naked girls sat spread legged on each of his legs!!! His Mums boyfriend and their friends took him I think she thought he needed to fit in more with that type of lads lad!!!! I have 4 boys and I think we will be having a chat about this sort of thing and a different perspective when they reach the age of 16!

Lol

You didn't put legal though did you.

You see if you make bold, completely incorrect statements, it makes you sound like a fool. Then you can't expect people to take you or your 'arguments' seriously.

No I wouldn't. But that is irrelevant.

I'd say it's highly relevant. If providing 'sex services' is no diffferent to any other job, then why would you not want to promote your wife or daughter's chosen profession? If your daughter was a cleaner and was desperately looking for work, and a friend of yours ran a business which often employed cleaners, I'm willing to bet you wouldn't be above dropping a hint about how your daugher was a really experienced and professional cleaner but was out of work at the moment. That's what parents do for their children, even if the profession is not one you would have chosen for them. So why would you not drop a hint to your male friends about how great your daughter was at providing 'sex services'?

If 'sex work' is just the same as any job, then why would you not want to expand your daughter's customer base? Or is 'sex work' only normal work when it's someone else's daugher providing the 'service'?

Lol people who post like you never ever put up their hands and say sorry that was a silly thing to say it whatever. Just keep digging

You think it's moral to offer people money for their organs... Well ok then. That explains a lot.

You don't think it's immoral to seriously injure or murder someone if they consent to it?

Yowze.rs

So if for example I got aroused by cutting people's toes off, and found someone who would let me do that to them for a fee, that's fine by you...

Erm.

Are you sure you haven't mis-spoken again?

[quote StamfordHill]@IcedPurple

You're conflating two issues. I think being sexually loose is religiously immoral. So I wouldn't like it if my family were doing that, nor would I support them.

But it's not ethically wrong. Namely, it's not wrong from a secular POV, which only defines interpersonal wrongdoings as immoral.

Being a SW is no different to any other job in the sense that it's a consensual transaction between to adults. Just as almost every worker in the world does so out of necessity, and using their service isn't immoral, so is SW.[/quote]
You're making no sense here. None.

You've said you "think being sexually loose is religiously immoral". Leaving aside your 1950s language ('loose'?) what you are saying is that you beleive it is wrong. Yet at the same time, you're saying that you believe it's a job no different, in an ethical sense, than cleaning toilets or selling hamburgers? Provided, of course, that those providing these 'services' aren't related to you?

Since you consider 'sex work' to be just another job (although we know that you actually don't, despite your pretence) do you think those on JSA should be obliged to do it? Including your daugher? Or indeed, your son? If not, why not?

Sexually loose??!!!

So you're allowed to object on religious grounds but secular feminists aren't allowed to object on the grounds that it's misogynistic abuse?

Note also that the post is referring to related women being prostitutes and the term 'loose' is related to women...

So it's immoral for the women but not for the male customers. Awesome.

Stamford hill if someone is just doing a job how can they be sexually loose? They aren't having sex. They are selling sexual services and they are completely different. Shagging soneone you want to and pretending to have consensual sex with a guy who has given you money is not the same. The prostitute is going through the motions. It's not sex to her therefore only the customer is 'sexually loose'.

The reason it, like selling kidneys etc is illegal is because it's actually extreme self harm. Women who have done sex work end up mentally very scared along with the obvious danger from violent customers.

They start out damaged and by the time they finish are even more damaged. They might often be working to support a drug habit but they are also taking drugs to cope with the job. It's a massive headfuck for all but a tiny handful.

Obviously that's not something you will hear them saying in public. Because if men knew what really went on in their heads there would be a lot less customers. I've heard the way they speak amongst themselves. They most certainly aren't doing it for fun. But they know the deal is to act like they are sex starved and loving it. It's called marketing and PR.

Just like no wrinkle cream will make you look 10 years younger and no sports car will make you hot. It's all just marketing,

Which you appear to have fallen for hook, line and sinker.

@QuentinInQuarantino

I see it as rape, you can't buy consent.

I live in Doain. Apparently 1 in 3 Spanish men has used a prostitute. That works out statistically as 11 of the dads of kids in DS' class. It makes me feel sick wondering who.

In the south of Spain where I holiday, on the road you see them waiting for business under sun shades on plastic chairs. It makes me sad.

Absolutely would judge any punter as a misogynist. The being-in-a-relationship just means he is also a cheat, but I think the rape is worse than the infidelity.

God in shocked at the figures for Spanish men. Why is this the case do you think? I've always had a thing for Spaniards too 😭

@famousforwrongreason maybe because it's so obvious it's so accessible. When I go on long drives, there are always places in the middle of nowhere it seems with neon lights in the shape of women on the side. It's not like Amsterdam where it's for tourists, but any Spanish man would have an idea where to look perhaps... maybe I'm being naive but a British man would find it harder to find?

I know what you mean, and all the Spanish men I know are lovely! I mentioned to DH the statistic and wondering which dads it was (!) and he said it's more likely to be none of the dads but maybe some of the dodgy uncles and probably most of the grandads

It's certainly a more sexist society in general, up until very very recently it wasn't legally rape unless the woman fought back. So the girl gang raped by "la manada" wasn't gang raped apparently because she was unconscious and therefore didn't actively refuse! Although the uproar let to reconviction and real change, there are huge protests every international women's day and the cabinet has more women than men in it.

During the pandemic, now, where they are debating whether to shut down outdoor playgrounds again... they won't shut down brothels.

@famousforwrongreason [[https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/may/11/prostitution-tackling-spain-sex-traffickers here{] is an article in the guardian about it. Quite interesting and sickening and hopeful all at once!

Yes I would. It's grim and it would be a goodbye from me.

I know what you mean, and all the Spanish men I know are lovely! I mentioned to DH the statistic and wondering which dads it was (!) and he said it's more likely to be none of the dads but maybe some of the dodgy uncles and probably most of the grandads

Your husband sounds a bit naive. The 'grandads' are by definition dads themselves, and many of the 'dodgy uncles' will be too. Unless Spain has a very high proportion of 'dodgy uncles' then plenty of the 'dads' will also be using prostitutes. Sadly. lots of superficially 'lovely' men do so.