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Last week I told DH I want a divorce

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StuckInPollyannaMode · 16/08/2020 19:25

Things have been very rocky for 8 months, going steadily downhill for 2 years. Not going to bore you with the details. We have 2 children.

He says no. A flat no, it’s not happening. He can’t do it. He’s been divorced before. He admits his behaviour over the last year hasn’t been good enough and he hasn’t been present or involved.

I’ve told him I love him but I’m no longer in love with him. He asked what love is anyway.

I can’t live in a sexless, affection less marriage for another 40 years. There have been ultimatums and serious discussions about separating before but he’s finally starting to pay it some attention.

He’s a good man and a good father. But he’s not listening. I think he thinks that if he keeps telling me it will all be ok that he’ll get his own way. I’ve agreed to counselling but we’ll be going into it with two very separate aims - his to make it work, mine to have an amicable divorce.

I’m absolutely sure of my decision. We’re good friends who have children. The spark is gone and we have very different views on what we want from life.

I don’t want it to get to the stage where we are arguing every day and lose all respect for each other. He thinks I’m being idealistic and we can sort it all out. But we can’t. I no longer desire him or want him as a partner. We’re basically room mates.

I know he was shocked, I know it takes time. But he can’t say no forever can he?

We both work, there’s no affair or anything.

How do I keep pushing this? Like so many things over the course of our marriage, I’m the one having to be the grown up and make the decision.

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StuckInPollyannaMode · 01/09/2020 20:49

As far as I’m concerned, the people who need to know (barring the kids) know. He can sort out his side. I’m worried about his mum but otherwise... gossip doesn’t bother me, we’re not very interesting anyway! Once the house goes on the market, that’s when things will start to happen

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RandomMess · 01/09/2020 20:51

Hmmm

That he needs to agree to FIXED contact time with the DC and this can not be changed because of his big important job.

Vodkacranberryplease · 01/09/2020 20:53

-This hasn't happened in a vacuum. There are reasons.
-Only the children will suffer if you make them feel unsafe about this situation and it's bad parenting to do so.
-This isn't about love for you it's about money and control

  • you haven't wanted to parent or do anything that inconveniences you and so even though you say you want that to change and though I understand that I don't think it will be possible as what you want and enjoy hadn't changed. It can't.
Vodkacranberryplease · 01/09/2020 20:54

You might want to word it a little more diplomatically though 😉

justilou1 · 01/09/2020 21:06

That your work will be as IMPORTANT as his and you won’t stand to be dicked around.

ThickFast · 01/09/2020 22:07

Yes to clarifying childcare. And ask about how he’ll do 50% if he’s living 15 miles away and having to do school runs?

Vodkacranberryplease · 01/09/2020 23:07

Yes you definitely need a legal agreement so that he doesn't go for 50% and then not bother, do he needs to COMMIT just exactly the way you have.

RandomMess · 01/09/2020 23:20

Just tell him 50:50 would have to be alternate weeks so he would need to do all school runs, hobbies and any medical appointments including 50% of routine ones etc on his weeks...

katmarie · 02/09/2020 07:24

Re his 'offer' maybe just say that you're past the point of discussing whether you divorce, and now are only prepared to discuss the process of divorcing, and that as far as you are concerned any offer which doesn't include divorcing ASAP is not something you're prepared to consider.

StuckInPollyannaMode · 02/09/2020 07:37

I had a realisation whilst out running this morning. I’ve been saying he’s changed massively over the past two years.

What if it’s ME that’s changed? Has he always been like this and I just never realised?

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RandomMess · 02/09/2020 07:40

Quite likely tbh!!!

countdowntofriday · 02/09/2020 07:58

Can you utilise his 'problem solving' period? Get the credit card paid off, make an effort to pay of renovation debt, ask for greater transparency over where his money goes etc. This time of him wanting to fix things won't last long

StuckInPollyannaMode · 02/09/2020 07:58

Oooh I like that @katmarie - very strong!

It’s like the scales are falling from my eyes @RandomMess

Oh, and he can’t do pick up and drop offs til a week on Tuesday but he’ll come with me to do the first day back so he can ‘figure out how it works’ 😂

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ThickFast · 02/09/2020 07:59

Good old running for thinking time.

ThickFast · 02/09/2020 08:11

You must be getting a bit annoyed with him.

StuckInPollyannaMode · 02/09/2020 08:16

Yes the running is keeping me sane! I’ve cut back on my drinking - don’t want to give him any reason to be shitty, and I don’t want to use it as a crutch - but I’m not sleeping well, my insomnia is back in force.

He clearly thinks he is being reasonable and it’s me that’s out of sync.

He finished work yesterday and came downstairs to announce his heart isn’t in it any more. SUCH a drama queen.

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StuckInPollyannaMode · 02/09/2020 08:18

Yep I’m focusing on clearing the card. I’ve even contacted the bank to ask if I can roll my credit card up into the loan so I stop paying the interest. No answer as yet.

I’m gradually clearing cupboards and sorting through my stuff. I think the fact I want to do that is telling me something.

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ThickFast · 02/09/2020 08:43

What his heart isn’t in work anymore? Or the relationship?

RandomMess · 02/09/2020 08:57

I would be using this time to focus on get finances sorted.

I would say in counselling that you have been financially abusing me for years and you want full and clear financial disclosure and parity now.

I would actually arrange some weekends away to visit people on your own so he can have the girls 100% including Friday school pick up and Monday school drop off...

Ensure that he will need to do laundry and a food shop whilst you are away and of course housework...

MadeForThis · 02/09/2020 09:19

Get copies of all the paperwork and reduce any debt that's still in your name. Staying amicable is a great idea but probably unrealistic. He sounds the type to get nasty once he accepts that it's over.

EinsteinaGogo · 02/09/2020 09:45

You're doing so well, OP.

I imagine your husband has been able to control your world (effortlessly) for so long, that it's an enormous shock to him that you now seem impervious to him.

I would steel yourself for the tactics changing. I had a very abusive relationship for 10 years (no DC). When the scales finally fell from my eyes, my ex tried all manner of approaches to get me to say, finalising in his depression and alluding to 'life not worth living'.

You luckily don't seem cursed with the unwarranted guilt gene that I was, but prepare for all sorts of drastic measures from him.

justilou1 · 02/09/2020 11:37

Please just diarise, diarise, diarise and keep his emails, texts, etc for supportive evidence. This is exactly this kind of crap you need to show how useless he is.

updownroundandround · 03/09/2020 10:07

I'm hoping the counselling session goes well for you today. Though I'm quite sure your H won't think it went well if you managed to get all your salient points across Grin.

I agree with the poster who said if he goes for 50/50 childcare, you need to make it for alternate weeks. This will minimize the opportunities he's got to mess you about and try to change days/ times etc. You only need to say, '' you can work out when you've got the kids with a calendar, and NO changes will be entertained due to any work issues''. At least then you can actually work without any worries of 'work emergencies' from him.

justilou1 · 03/09/2020 10:59

His heart isn’t in what? Putting the effort into being a parent or trying to please you (with his reptilian eyes)?

StuckInPollyannaMode · 03/09/2020 11:21

I was awake worrying at 4.30am.

Youngest joined me at 5.30am, all excited about school. I've literally not stopped since then and just went downstairs to get a coffee and some chocolate. He looked at me and rolled his eyes. How am I going to not either lose my marbles or maintain civility until we sell the house?! HOW??

His heart isn't in work. That's what he means. He's gone all huffy about it now and is refusing to talk to me about it as I don't want to hear about it. He's all about the little digs at the moment.

Driving the DC to school this morning and he says 'By the way because of the budget YOU'VE instigated, I've only got enough to put another £50 in the car for fuel this month. You've only got half a tank left.'

HE insists on driving MY car - he won't let the kids eat in his car, use it for pick up etc, he's so pernickity about it - so mine is the workhorse that gets used all the time, in spite of the fact it's the least fuel efficient and I Iast mentioned this at the weekend when he took them somewhere 50 minutes away for a day out. So whose bloody fuel is it?!

I only managed to keep a lid on it because the children were in the back. Also, WHAT bloody budget?

I don't know what he thinks I'm going to say in this session but I'd put money on it not being what's going to come out of my mouth.

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