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Last week I told DH I want a divorce

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StuckInPollyannaMode · 16/08/2020 19:25

Things have been very rocky for 8 months, going steadily downhill for 2 years. Not going to bore you with the details. We have 2 children.

He says no. A flat no, it’s not happening. He can’t do it. He’s been divorced before. He admits his behaviour over the last year hasn’t been good enough and he hasn’t been present or involved.

I’ve told him I love him but I’m no longer in love with him. He asked what love is anyway.

I can’t live in a sexless, affection less marriage for another 40 years. There have been ultimatums and serious discussions about separating before but he’s finally starting to pay it some attention.

He’s a good man and a good father. But he’s not listening. I think he thinks that if he keeps telling me it will all be ok that he’ll get his own way. I’ve agreed to counselling but we’ll be going into it with two very separate aims - his to make it work, mine to have an amicable divorce.

I’m absolutely sure of my decision. We’re good friends who have children. The spark is gone and we have very different views on what we want from life.

I don’t want it to get to the stage where we are arguing every day and lose all respect for each other. He thinks I’m being idealistic and we can sort it all out. But we can’t. I no longer desire him or want him as a partner. We’re basically room mates.

I know he was shocked, I know it takes time. But he can’t say no forever can he?

We both work, there’s no affair or anything.

How do I keep pushing this? Like so many things over the course of our marriage, I’m the one having to be the grown up and make the decision.

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Daftapath · 12/12/2020 15:53

Op, can you take cuttings of your favourite plants now and see if they take? Ds is always bringing cuttings home from work and most of them are doing well. I'd take a few from the same plant and pot together.

RandomMess · 12/12/2020 15:55

I have some delicious Malbec in our "dungeon" damp undercroft room of our weird 1960's house.

I agree with taking some cuttings. Worth a try!!

I reckon a later chapter will be tick tick tick.

HedgieHog · 12/12/2020 17:42

Definitely take cutting it repot if you can, I’m sure they will survive a move, roses are very hardy
My mum has a Christmas tree in her front garden and if she ever moved I’d want to dig it up if possible, sentimental reasons

C0NNIE · 12/12/2020 20:21

YY hardwood cuttings from roses at his time of year.

Nat6999 · 13/12/2020 01:23

If you have anything you want to keep & you know he will be a prat over, get it out of the house while he isn't there, things like photos, anything with sentimental value. Even sell things to a friend for 1p because he will look stupid in court bringing up things that are missing & of course accidents happen.

C0NNIE · 13/12/2020 03:40

@Nat6999

If you have anything you want to keep & you know he will be a prat over, get it out of the house while he isn't there, things like photos, anything with sentimental value. Even sell things to a friend for 1p because he will look stupid in court bringing up things that are missing & of course accidents happen.
She can’t sell items to friends that are marital assets. But she can move small or personal items that are of sentimental but little material value.
StuckInPollyannaMode · 13/12/2020 05:15

’ve never taken cuttings before, is it hard? Willing to give it a go! Any tips gratefully received

Bad night. Keep waking up in a hot sweat trying to work out a deal when all I need is for him to admit he needs to pay child maintenance and spousal.

Perhaps my bad night could be linked to the large glass of port I had after dinner last night?! Gosh it was nice Wink I’ll try it again tonight, purely in the interests of science you understand

Eldest daughter had 2 meltdowns yesterday afternoon. First time in ages. His response? This is why we’re getting divorced, I can’t deal with it. And walking off upstairs.

No, you fuckwit, your REFUSAL to deal with it is a contributing factor, it’s not her fault. Also, she’d been with you most of the day for the first time in ages...coincidence?

And breaaaaaathe.

Hope everyone else is sleeping peacefully, including @RandomMess

Tell me about your Sunday plans - it’s going to be rainy and foul here, and I’m going to be doing my biannual cull of the kids room with them before going for a walk with a friend (if it’s not too horrid). Then some baking and we’re having a roast - kids want bread sauce as well as cauliflower cheese, no wonder I’m comfort eating with things like that around! Need to catch up on Strictly too

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RandomMess · 13/12/2020 06:22

They have me a Zopiclone around midnight but we are now up for day with meds and obs 😌 with a cracking headache I may slap the next member of staff that tells MH e to rest - give me a cupboard on my own with the light off and I gladly will!

It's like Blackpool Illiuminations and pleasure beach screeching all in one 😳

Plans for the day are ECG and hopefully see a consultant. The days menu line up sounds erm delicious but I get to try "normal" food today 🥳

My eldest is coming to visit the family but obviously I can't see here. Her boyfriends Christmas gift from M&S has gone AWOL and his currently in Yorkshire DC 😩

I have the excitement of 6 hours free TV channels 1-5 whoop whoop!

Mix56 · 13/12/2020 09:24

Yes, telling someone to rest in hospital, impossible. sorry Random. At least you have MN !

As for roses; I have done this (but was told to do it in August) cut off a nice straight stem from last year's growth, about a 1/4 of an inch diameter, cut into 6 inch lengths approx.
Cut the bottom on diagonal so that you know its the bottom, remove all twigs & leaves.
You are left with 6" sticks. (like fat straws)
Cut off dozens, from different areas, (not all will take.) put these cuttings in a narrow jam jar, with about an inch of water, on the windowsill in sunlight (in the kitchen in my house) so you can top up water when the level drops. roots will start to grow, remove the dead sticks that don't grow, when you have a decent amount of root, pot in nice compost, keep damp, keep in frost free spot, plant out in Spring.(don't fertilise too soon)
Obviously if you are trying different roses, don't mix them, you will want to know what colour they are later.
There is probably a hormonal agent you could add to the water, You will have to google it.

Mix56 · 13/12/2020 09:26

ah, I forgot, lightly crush the bottom 1/4"of the cutting, (I bash with secateur)

Happynow001 · 13/12/2020 09:48

@Mix56

Yes, telling someone to rest in hospital, impossible. sorry Random. At least you have MN !

As for roses; I have done this (but was told to do it in August) cut off a nice straight stem from last year's growth, about a 1/4 of an inch diameter, cut into 6 inch lengths approx.
Cut the bottom on diagonal so that you know its the bottom, remove all twigs & leaves.
You are left with 6" sticks. (like fat straws)
Cut off dozens, from different areas, (not all will take.) put these cuttings in a narrow jam jar, with about an inch of water, on the windowsill in sunlight (in the kitchen in my house) so you can top up water when the level drops. roots will start to grow, remove the dead sticks that don't grow, when you have a decent amount of root, pot in nice compost, keep damp, keep in frost free spot, plant out in Spring.(don't fertilise too soon)
Obviously if you are trying different roses, don't mix them, you will want to know what colour they are later.
There is probably a hormonal agent you could add to the water, You will have to google it.

Hi OP

This might be useful.

www.gardenersworld.com/how-to/grow-plants/how-to-use-hormone-rooting-powder/

I also agree with other PPs that you are doing so well. Lean on your SHL for advice as needed.

@RandomMess: sorry to hear your health has taken a downturn- hope you get better soon! 🌹

MotherOfDragonite · 13/12/2020 10:01

@RandomMess, I'm so sorry to hear you're unwell. Hoping you recover quickly!

@StuckInPollyannaMode You don't need to worry about convincing him that he needs to pay child maintenance and spousal support. It's just a fact he'll have to face when it comes to court. What you want is very reasonable and not at all unusual.

RandomMess · 13/12/2020 10:42

Perhaps you can do lots of cuttings and we can all have a Pollyanna Rose x x x

Daftapath · 13/12/2020 11:16

Op, is his job salaried or is he self employed or is his pay significantly made up of bonuses?

If he is mainly salaried, you will have no problem, at the worst (and if he won't pay) you will have to go through CMS and they will take the minimum (you can see from their website) from his salary each month ... and charge him.

Spousal maintenance is tougher to get. If you do get it, it will be for a short length of time, usually to give you the chance to get sorted.

If he gets lots of bonuses or one big one/year. Try to get evidence of what he has been paid. Or make sure that is something your SHL asks for evidence of for the last few years. That would help your case for spousal maintenance.

I think also bare in mind, even if you get an agreement, he can change his mind until everything is signed. Just as you can. He is going to look a twat though if he does make an offer and then reneges. Suspect that he won't care about that, judging by his behaviour.

RandomMess · 13/12/2020 11:19

Definitely aiming for a bigger share of the assets and just a year of spousal because after a year they can stop spousal and go back to court.

He isn't going to honourable!

justilou1 · 13/12/2020 12:39

I say aim VERY high, @StuckInPollyannaMode! Geller is going to be as slippery as an eel, and drag this out for as looooong as he can.

StuckInPollyannaMode · 13/12/2020 13:56

I’ll try that method, I’d have just bunged them in a pot so good job you told me! If they take you can certainly have one!

Hope the food wasn’t too revolting.

Have left the house in uproar to run a few errands. Eldest DT is incubating something - a cold I think - and the Grinch is in a foul mood. Yes, he’s salaried - no bonus this year but last year 8k. Will make sure SHL asks, thank you.

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Daftapath · 13/12/2020 14:40

You can put them in a pot instead of just water. Try both ways maybe. Ds' boss uses soil/potting compost rather than water.

There are you tube videos which may help. Could be a project for you to do with your dcs

StuckInPollyannaMode · 13/12/2020 16:14

Jesus.

He’s emailed me a proposal.

Literally do NOT know what to think.

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RandomMess · 13/12/2020 16:15

Ask SHL to review it?

RandomMess · 13/12/2020 16:18

Or is it another strange shared residency proposal?

ArrowsOfMistletoe · 13/12/2020 16:23

Do not respond without

  1. thinking it over and
  2. running it by SHL

Commit to nothing.
He has proved that he is not to be trusted. Take nothing he says or writes at face value.

justilou1 · 13/12/2020 16:47

A) it’s probably ludicrous
B) he’s hiding things
C) straight to lawyer

katmarie · 13/12/2020 17:03

Forward straight to shl. Dont be drawn into discussing it. If he asks, 'I've sent it to my solicitor'. End of conversation.

StuckInPollyannaMode · 13/12/2020 17:09

I’m still a bit agog.

Yes, will be going straight to SHL tomorrow morning.

Time for a gin.

How’re you feeling @RandomMess? Hope you haven’t been too poked and prodded today.

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