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Last week I told DH I want a divorce

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StuckInPollyannaMode · 16/08/2020 19:25

Things have been very rocky for 8 months, going steadily downhill for 2 years. Not going to bore you with the details. We have 2 children.

He says no. A flat no, it’s not happening. He can’t do it. He’s been divorced before. He admits his behaviour over the last year hasn’t been good enough and he hasn’t been present or involved.

I’ve told him I love him but I’m no longer in love with him. He asked what love is anyway.

I can’t live in a sexless, affection less marriage for another 40 years. There have been ultimatums and serious discussions about separating before but he’s finally starting to pay it some attention.

He’s a good man and a good father. But he’s not listening. I think he thinks that if he keeps telling me it will all be ok that he’ll get his own way. I’ve agreed to counselling but we’ll be going into it with two very separate aims - his to make it work, mine to have an amicable divorce.

I’m absolutely sure of my decision. We’re good friends who have children. The spark is gone and we have very different views on what we want from life.

I don’t want it to get to the stage where we are arguing every day and lose all respect for each other. He thinks I’m being idealistic and we can sort it all out. But we can’t. I no longer desire him or want him as a partner. We’re basically room mates.

I know he was shocked, I know it takes time. But he can’t say no forever can he?

We both work, there’s no affair or anything.

How do I keep pushing this? Like so many things over the course of our marriage, I’m the one having to be the grown up and make the decision.

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justilou1 · 06/12/2020 02:32

Absolutely do NOT protect his feelings or reputation from ANYONE! This bloke has taken pride in destroying his first two wives. I’m pretty sure that they know what a bastard he is anyway. I don’t use this word lightly, but he’s a cunt. Hoarding from you and his kids. Utter cunt.

StuckInPollyannaMode · 06/12/2020 08:46

What a lovely LOVELY way to start a Sunday.

Apparently he had a TERRIBLE night trying to figure out what to do about bunk beds for the children as they’re now back in stock.

He’s just basically had an argument with himself over which bedroom the girls have at his.

I don’t give a shit about the size of their bunk beds vs the length of the wall. If he wants to martyr himself by moving out of the master bedroom on his head be it.

I can’t make the decision for him, which I stated several times.

So then he started talking about dropping out of this house purchase if I won’t help him. I just looked at him. Which apparently was very annoying.

I said that was his decision and I couldn’t help him make it, and walked off. He’s just yelled THANKS very sarcastically down the stairs and has stomped off.

I suspect he might cancel the house purchase and go into rented. Which once again will be my fault.

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RandomMess · 06/12/2020 09:25

OMG is he on glue???

I thought he had some sort of responsible VERY IMPORTANT JOB yet he can't but himself a house or furnish it without a little wife to make it happen, what utter bullshit.

See how he wants to blame you for everything he does or doesn't do??

Did you read the Lundy book "Why does he do that?" I feel it may shed some light on his behaviour...

Good Dad??? I no longer believe that, it sounds like they are a life accessory if he can't even sort this out.

RandomMess · 06/12/2020 09:27

Remember is glee in getting the bucket? Perhaps he sees taking their beds from this house as some sort of prize...

FelicityPike · 06/12/2020 09:33

Fucking arsewipe of a “man”.

Giraffey1 · 06/12/2020 10:47

He really is an idiot, isn’t he! Well done you for not engaging with his games.
And yes, be sure to tell everyone what he is done and how he is behaving. Shine a light on deeply deceitful and unpleasant behaviour.

dexterslockedintheshedagain · 06/12/2020 12:07

Good god what a child he is. You're well rid.

C0RA · 06/12/2020 12:39

One good thing about this is that it will wipe away any doubts you might ever have about leaving him.

Because this is systematic, long term financial abuse.

justilou1 · 06/12/2020 12:49

For a supposedly intelligent man he’s gobsmackingly stupid, isn’t he?

RandomMess · 06/12/2020 13:07

You can add "not disclosing financial assets and leading me to believe that we had no future security" to the list of unreasonable behaviour.

Daftapath · 06/12/2020 14:52

I think there will be other savings that you do not know about.

Have you both completed Form E? I think this will be imperative in deciding whether you want to go to the expense of a forensic accountant.

I would leave any more discussion about financial settlement to your SHL. You cannot possibly negotiate if he is still disclosing his finances. You also need to discuss with SHL the pros and cons of going for half of his pension vs getting more cash. As a pp says, house prices may fall but pensions could also be affected so worth getting expert advice once you know exactly where and what his pensions and savings are.

I would also have an emergency bail out plan for somewhere to escape to on Christmas Day in case it becomes too awful for you all.

pointythings · 06/12/2020 15:21

@RandomMess

You can add "not disclosing financial assets and leading me to believe that we had no future security" to the list of unreasonable behaviour.
A very good point there from RandomMess. Do this.
RandomMess · 06/12/2020 15:49

I would be considering letting him having this Christmas Day with the DC and you have next year...

SwanShaped · 06/12/2020 19:06

It’s really shit of him to hide all that money and allow you to worry. It must be so upsetting for you. And also rage inducing. Hope you get some better sleep tonight

StuckInPollyannaMode · 07/12/2020 09:54

I have emailed SHL.

Instructed her to get me everything that I am entitled to for my entire contribution to the marriage as well as to use finances in the petition. Thanks for the great wording @DeciduousPerennial, and for the phrasing for the petition @RandomMess

I have also asked her advice about whether I should reveal to him how upset and angry I am, or whether I am better to keep my powder dry. I have said that I'm waiting to see what his deal is this Friday, then I will hand it all over to her to deal with on my behalf.

He worked this weekend rather than help the kids decorate the Christmas tree. Says it all really doesn't it?

Working in front of the fire, cat rather inconveniently on top of my hands, tree lights on.

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Daftapath · 07/12/2020 10:09

I am projecting my experience with divorcing covertly narcissistic xh here but I found it better to keep emotion out of it where possible (it wasn't always!). He just enjoyed me being angry/upset and it just gave him the excuse to be even angrier back to me. Nothing really got decided then.

RandomMess · 07/12/2020 10:10

Big hugs.

Sadly he doesn't seem to have the capacity to be an involved and loving Dad, it's as if he likes the idea of the label but no interest in building a relationship with them.

pointythings · 07/12/2020 10:10

I'd be keeping the powder dry and grey rocking him the way you have been doing. It gives him no ammo to use against you. You're quite right to hand over to your SHL now and let her get you everything you are entitled to - he doesn't deserve your consideration. It's all about the best for you and DC now, and he has proved that he is not to be trusted.

justilou1 · 07/12/2020 10:19

I think you are playing your cards like an absolute STAR! He will need to invest in brown underpants. He honestly believes that he has kept you so submissive for so long that you will simply suck up whatever he tells you. Idiot. I am smirking!!!

zippityzip · 07/12/2020 10:42

He's graduated from Geller to absolute cunt.
I'm not shocked there was a massive secret nest egg - but what a dick move. Lying bastard.
Use this to find your anger - get SHL to get every penny you deserve and don't have one ounce of guilt after this prick watched you go without and bare the weight of your shared children to line his own pockets. Wanker.

MotherOfDragonite · 07/12/2020 12:50

@Daftapath

I am projecting my experience with divorcing covertly narcissistic xh here but I found it better to keep emotion out of it where possible (it wasn't always!). He just enjoyed me being angry/upset and it just gave him the excuse to be even angrier back to me. Nothing really got decided then.
Yes, this.
C0RA · 07/12/2020 13:05

I have also asked her advice about whether I should reveal to him how upset and angry I am, or whether I am better to keep my powder dry. I have said that I'm waiting to see what his deal is this Friday, then I will hand it all over to her to deal with on my behalf

I’m sorry to have to say this to you, but he DOESN'T CARE about your feelings. You need to stop expecting him to care.

What he cares about is inconvenience to him. And his work. And money. Not necessarily in that order.

You need to deal with your feelings by talking to friends, family , a counsellor or online. Mediation needs to be about cold hard facts - the children’s welfare and the divisional assets, which is also of course about the children.

Sorry if this sounds harsh.

The fact that he’s admitted to this pension so soon makes me wonder what else he’s concealing. Are you sure there’s not another pension / savings / stocks and shares ?

RandomMess · 07/12/2020 13:15

I have to say I'm suspicious too, after 2 divorces he may have learnt to tuck away £££. I wonder if he revealed this to stop you thinking he was hiding anything?

YoniAndGuy · 07/12/2020 13:36

Forensic accountant

Forensic accountant

Forensic accountant

I have a feeling it will be money well spent

RUOKHon · 07/12/2020 13:54

I love how he thinks he’s got one over on you OP, and he’s oblivious to the fact that you’ve got the collective power of mumsnet in your corner, all pulling in your direction! He’s not going to know what’s hit him by the time the vipers are finished.