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Last week I told DH I want a divorce

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StuckInPollyannaMode · 16/08/2020 19:25

Things have been very rocky for 8 months, going steadily downhill for 2 years. Not going to bore you with the details. We have 2 children.

He says no. A flat no, it’s not happening. He can’t do it. He’s been divorced before. He admits his behaviour over the last year hasn’t been good enough and he hasn’t been present or involved.

I’ve told him I love him but I’m no longer in love with him. He asked what love is anyway.

I can’t live in a sexless, affection less marriage for another 40 years. There have been ultimatums and serious discussions about separating before but he’s finally starting to pay it some attention.

He’s a good man and a good father. But he’s not listening. I think he thinks that if he keeps telling me it will all be ok that he’ll get his own way. I’ve agreed to counselling but we’ll be going into it with two very separate aims - his to make it work, mine to have an amicable divorce.

I’m absolutely sure of my decision. We’re good friends who have children. The spark is gone and we have very different views on what we want from life.

I don’t want it to get to the stage where we are arguing every day and lose all respect for each other. He thinks I’m being idealistic and we can sort it all out. But we can’t. I no longer desire him or want him as a partner. We’re basically room mates.

I know he was shocked, I know it takes time. But he can’t say no forever can he?

We both work, there’s no affair or anything.

How do I keep pushing this? Like so many things over the course of our marriage, I’m the one having to be the grown up and make the decision.

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Catmaiden · 01/12/2020 20:17

He's hiding money. It's so very obvious.
Do NOT agree to anything, and yes get your SHL on to all this.
He's such a shit!

Grittlelayrabbit · 01/12/2020 21:55

100% hiding stuff.

Mine did this. I knew he was hiding stuff the second he suggested a deal before mediation. If he was offering a deal based on what was disclosed before proper disclosure then it was clear that it wasn’t all on the table. I got the mediation cert and went straight back to SHL and waddya know, there was another THREE HUNDRED GRAND he had failed to mention. And we still haven’t swapped FormE so I know that the £300k isn’t all of it either.

Seriously OP, file, hand it to the SHL and move on.

StuckInPollyannaMode · 01/12/2020 21:58

Not a pain at all! It’s been quite a ride so far and I can’t remember everything so please please remind me of things...

Well this has been a fun evening...he snapped at me so I snapped back - for the first time ever - and he’s not talking to me so went to bed at 8.30 🙄

I can’t believe it. I mentioned it was the day when a good friend found out important exam results, just saying do I text or call or just leave it overnight as I don’t want to pressurise them but at the same time want them to know I’m here if they need me.

He says ‘it depends. How often do you usually speak to “those people”?’

Those people? THOSE people? These are friends who have supported us through thick and thin, we’ve been on holiday together, they’ve been nothing but kind and nice to us all. We’ve had NYE together etc.

If that’s his attitude to friends then no wonder he doesn’t have any.

I am raging on their behalf. So I just said well, you know what it’s like with friends...and smiled sweetly. He’s stropped off. Apparently I am being very short with him.

One of these friends has saved us a huge amount of money and time with his help and lending of tools etc. He’s one of the people Geller was planning on asking to help with the move and put up curtain poles etc.

If I was feeling particularly evil then I could drop a word, so he won’t...but I’m not that sort of person.

I wish I could harness this anger on my own behalf by the way....

I want to see what he owns up to on Friday. Then we’ll see...

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StuckInPollyannaMode · 01/12/2020 21:59

@LittleMissNaice twice. TWICE.

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RandomMess · 01/12/2020 22:14

Snap back at him more often and at least you get the evening off from him...

LannieDuck · 01/12/2020 22:43

What were the reasons for his previous divorces? Just out of interest...

ALLIS0N · 02/12/2020 03:50

@Grittlelayrabbit -he hid £ 300,000!!!! Bloody hell!

Jokie · 02/12/2020 08:47

OP: I've just read through the thread as my DH has told me exactly what you wrote in your OP and I wanted to try and understand. I really wish you well in your new home and hope it goes well. Thanks for being so open and honest about your thoughts and feelings

StuckInPollyannaMode · 04/12/2020 12:55

@Jokie sorry you are going through this, it’s not pleasant either side. I hope you are ok.

Well. I have news.

You were absolutely right, all you folk who said he was hiding something.

How does over half a million in pensions grab you? On TOP of what I knew about.

Can’t believe it. I knew NOTHING.

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StuckInPollyannaMode · 04/12/2020 12:56

Sorry, pressed post too soon.

He has also agreed to having the children every Thursday night and every other weekend.

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Pashazade · 04/12/2020 13:03

Wow OP, that's quite the sum of money. Well certainly makes things easier on the being ruthless front! So not 50/50 then. No surprise there. Although probably preferable from your point of view. I hope you can get away from him over Xmas in some form, or it's going to be a long few weeks. Thanks

IsFinnRogersDead · 04/12/2020 13:14

I'm hoping your share of over half a million in pensions grabs you very nicely.

And I'm glad for the children that he's abandoned his stupid 50/50.

Grittlelayrabbit · 04/12/2020 13:18

Told ya! Wink

I bet it is a final salary pension from before you met him.

Catmaiden · 04/12/2020 13:55

Bloody hell! How did you find out?

Catmaiden · 04/12/2020 13:56

Did this come out in today's mediation?

RandomMess · 04/12/2020 14:03
Angry
DartmoorDoughnut · 04/12/2020 14:05

Well that’s a shock that he was hiding it, or attempting to!

DeciduousPerennial · 04/12/2020 16:28

I think you need to get your head round the fact that - having been through divorce twice - he knows perfectly well how it should work and he is being utterly disingenuous with you.

He is playing on the ‘poor, incompetent useless man’ stereotype to try to fly as much past you as possible because you’re used to seeing him as a useless buffoon who needs nagging and managing.

You need to harden up, and quickly. He is not the man you thought. He isn’t soft or useless or dithery. He isn’t dozy or indecisive. He is hard, deceptive, and a liar.

He knows exactly what he wants and how to get it. He will screw you over as quick as look at you because he has been down this road before, and - as he has told you before - still harbours resentment towards the previous two women who have had the nerve to divorce him.

You need to tune out when he speaks, deflect every attempt to discuss things back to mediation or the SHL, and limit conversation to necessary discussions about arrangements for the children and so forth until you move out. In my opinion.

RandomMess · 04/12/2020 16:35

Delicious I couldn't agree more.

The stonewalling etc is all a tactic to get you to comply like you usually do. Hang on it will get easier when you and the DC move out in January.

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LittleMissNaice · 04/12/2020 16:48

I wonder if either of his other ex-wives knew about the pension pot.

StuckInPollyannaMode · 04/12/2020 17:13

@Grittlelayrabbit only part of it is from a final salary scheme.

@DeciduousPerennial you are absolutely right. I know you are.

He spent the first ten minutes of mediation talking about how he's struggling mentally with it all and that he's not going to see the children every day or be able to walk past and tussle their hair on the way to do a work call.

Work featured quite strongly in today's financial justifications.

My flabber is still ghasted, as my father always says.

You know what? I'm incredibly hurt that he has let us struggle on for so long, letting me worry about money and finances and retirement, and hasn't said anything. I even talked to him last year about putting half of my salary into a pension as I was so concerned about pension provision. He said nothing at all. He's been mean and difficult about money and it's affected me and the kids (I don't mean to sound like a spendthrift, I just mean he's always made a big deal about spending money and contributing to holidays etc and I"ve scrimped and saved to afford days out and holidays and all this time he's had the ability to remove some of the worry.)

So now I have to decide what to go for. What I want to fight for. I"ll only let go of a 50% claim on pensions if he gives me more of the house equity. IE most of it.

Him and his 'my retirement is going to be miserable'. What an ACT. What's worse is that I NEVER knew about it. So much for trust.

If he wasn't home tonight I'd be digging out First Wives Club. Don't get mad, get EVERYTHING...

One of his exes has a share of one of his pensions. That's not even included in the pot I found about today.

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StuckInPollyannaMode · 04/12/2020 17:14

@Catmaiden yes, he just dropped a bombshell in the middle of mediation as we were going through the forms.

I maintained a poker face.

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Catmaiden · 04/12/2020 17:25

Bloody hell, what a shit Angry
And yes, to let you worry and struggle all those years Angry
And the daily lying to you about it! AngryAngryAngry

RandomMess · 04/12/2020 17:40

Mean with money, time and love...

I think he is likely deeply misogynistic underneath his veneer. Your purpose was to be the wife, have DC, do all the wife work and child rearing AND earn enough income to pay for you any them. He wants the status of family but without any of the compromises AngryAngryAngryAngry

notapizzaeater · 04/12/2020 17:41

They think they are soooo bloody clever ! You need an actuary to value his pensions at retirement to work out your share. Think my mums costed 1k but she ended up with 78% of his pension pot.

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