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Last week I told DH I want a divorce

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StuckInPollyannaMode · 16/08/2020 19:25

Things have been very rocky for 8 months, going steadily downhill for 2 years. Not going to bore you with the details. We have 2 children.

He says no. A flat no, it’s not happening. He can’t do it. He’s been divorced before. He admits his behaviour over the last year hasn’t been good enough and he hasn’t been present or involved.

I’ve told him I love him but I’m no longer in love with him. He asked what love is anyway.

I can’t live in a sexless, affection less marriage for another 40 years. There have been ultimatums and serious discussions about separating before but he’s finally starting to pay it some attention.

He’s a good man and a good father. But he’s not listening. I think he thinks that if he keeps telling me it will all be ok that he’ll get his own way. I’ve agreed to counselling but we’ll be going into it with two very separate aims - his to make it work, mine to have an amicable divorce.

I’m absolutely sure of my decision. We’re good friends who have children. The spark is gone and we have very different views on what we want from life.

I don’t want it to get to the stage where we are arguing every day and lose all respect for each other. He thinks I’m being idealistic and we can sort it all out. But we can’t. I no longer desire him or want him as a partner. We’re basically room mates.

I know he was shocked, I know it takes time. But he can’t say no forever can he?

We both work, there’s no affair or anything.

How do I keep pushing this? Like so many things over the course of our marriage, I’m the one having to be the grown up and make the decision.

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RandomMess · 29/11/2020 21:59

What are you afraid of happening if you stand your ground?

Get the tickets for church anyway on the day he and the girls can decide if they want to come or not.

I really am concerned about this plan of Christmas together that you will spend it treading on eggshells and him still spoiling it. Will it help knowing that you will be moving out soon after?

katmarie · 30/11/2020 10:27

If trying to resolve issues as they arise is leaving you on the back foot, how about practicing delaying techniques. For example him whinging and moaning about the church thing, if you come back with 'I can't talk about this now' or 'I'm not prepared to discuss this at the moment' would that give you chance to sort your head out and get firm in your own mind what you want?

Grittlelayrabbit · 30/11/2020 12:56

You need to file NOW. At the moment he can kid himself that you might change your mind, this is all posturing, no one has moved anywhere etc. But when he sees the paperwork in front of him, it will wake him up. Don’t have Christmas under this pretence. Get your papers in.

Grittlelayrabbit · 30/11/2020 12:56

And as for what to put on the form, that’s what you pay your lawyer for.

LilyLongJohn · 30/11/2020 14:19

You can always change your mind op. Just because you've agreed to something under duress, doesn't mean you can't go back and say 'actually, I've slept on our discussion yesterday about X, and on reflection I don't agree, I suggest XYZ'

DartmoorDoughnut · 30/11/2020 17:35

Your friend is right I think, what is best for the girls? I’d hazard a guess that not spending extra time with a snappy grumpy father ...

Also just because you’ve made the decision to divorce doesn’t mean you have to be nice about it, his ridiculous behaviour has driven you to this point. Fuck him and his attitude.

Eryouwhat · 30/11/2020 22:59

Keep on keeping on!!

StuckInPollyannaMode · 01/12/2020 10:59

I got ambushed last night. Kids in bed, I'm watching tv. Came in and handed me a sheet of paper scribbled all over with his idea.

I countered his latest financial 'deal' with what I want for the kids. He's still talking about what works best with work. Quelle surprise.

We're now in this weird standoff situation.

I barely slept last night. Next mediation session on Friday. If he doesn't stop playing games, fuck the cost, I'll just hand it all to SHL, including sorting the finances. If he is reasonable I'll get him to detail it all then take it to her to sign off, I'm tired of talking about it.

I have walked away from him trying to talk to me three times this morning. Running out of rooms to visit!

It massively helps that I know I've only got a few more weeks. It's what's getting me through. I'm no good at conflict, I find it very hard, I"m always the peacemaker or the one who gives way. Then I think of the ideal thing to say later!

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RandomMess · 01/12/2020 11:23

Perhaps you need to say

"It's never going to be about what is best for your job but what is best for the DC."

Is it worth saying to him at mediation that you aren't going to back down on what is best for the DC therefore is it time to hand everything over to solicitors because he isn't listening?

RandomMess · 01/12/2020 11:36

Perhaps pass him note before Friday.

"Your idea is about what is best for your job. That isn't compatible on what is best for the DC. I will not compromise on what is best for the DC please come to mediation focused on what is best for the DC"

This would give him the opportunity for it not to be sprung on him at mediation and also let's him know you are not seeing his idea as viable?

Perhaps give it to him Thursday evening and disappear to bed so it doesn't turn into a discussion?

Why he tries to initiate conversations at home can you blunt and say "not now, this is for mediation"?

StuckInPollyannaMode · 01/12/2020 13:18

I have said repeatedly that I am focused on what is best for the DC - he isn't listening.

He's just told me now that he wants to take his savings accounts 'off the table' - I told him to wait for mediation on Friday to discuss it.

On the plus side, he's just got a sizeable tax bill as he filled in his tax return incorrectly. Like, 5 figures incorrectly.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer chap.

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RandomMess · 01/12/2020 13:28

His savings AngryAngryAngryAngryAngry

Unfortunately he could use that tax bill as a family debt even though you know it's incorrect...

Daftapath · 01/12/2020 14:38

He can't just decide to take his savings off the table, it's all part of the marital assets pot ... unless he wants to give you more of the house so you are more likely to be able to keep it!

katmarie · 01/12/2020 15:06

Bless him, he has no idea does he. What on earth makes him think he can take anything off the table? Good luck with the next mediation session. He sounds very frustrating to live with.

StuckInPollyannaMode · 01/12/2020 15:08

Well after a lot of hot air and swearing and 'I don't have time for this' flumping around, and a long call with HMRC, turns out he failed to fill in part of the form. He needs to redo that and then his tax liability will drop from many thousands to under £500. He was SO insistent he knew how to do the form, even though I suggested using an accountant. Hey ho.

It's been quite cathartic actually, listening to him posturing away. Even a month ago I would have been trying to solve it, this time I've just gone "uh huh, uh huh" and ignored it.

Just had a very very sweet email from our lovely vicar offering an ear if needed. People are so kind. I'd rather he offered me the (empty, rambling and beautiful) rectory for thruppence ha'penny though Wink

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StuckInPollyannaMode · 01/12/2020 15:10

I can't decide if he's taken some advice or what's driving the offer... I end up around 6k down from what we'd previously talked about, but he's offered to buy me a car.

I don't understand his thinking so I'm struggling to explain it to myself as well as you all! Increasingly thinking I might just get him to pay for a lawyer to explain it to him in words of one syllable.

This Friday I'm going in with the big guns - spousal maintenance.

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RandomMess · 01/12/2020 15:29

Presumably if he bought you are a car it would be on finance and then he would have more capital for his purchase? I could see that as a plausible reason. However that implies he's stretching himself to the Max to buy.

Perhaps he thinks CMS works like old CSA calculator and his housing costs are taken into account?

notapizzaeater · 01/12/2020 15:50

He's hoping if he keeps repeating himself you will come round to his way of thinking. Dick !

StuckInPollyannaMode · 01/12/2020 16:05

No, he can buy me the car I've found out of savings - doesn't need to go on finance. He's also offered to pay off my credit card.

I'm suspicious.

All this before he has revealed to the mediator on Friday what his outgoings are...that'll be an interesting conversation.

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RandomMess · 01/12/2020 16:25

Oh you mean he offers to buy the car, pay off debts but you still end up with £6k less overall.

Well he probably just wants to "win" in part.

How can you agree anything when there isn't full financial disclosure and he won't agree child arrangements 🤷🏽‍♀️

Daftapath · 01/12/2020 17:18

I wonder whether he thinks that if you agree to 'take it off the table', he then won't need to give you a years worth of statements from the account? Wonder if he is hiding more accounts and other 'interesting' payments?

My XH payment to online dating came up on his statement Hmm

katmarie · 01/12/2020 17:24

Daft has a point. If he's trying to get you to agree so that you don't go raking through his finances, its likely he's got something to hide.

MotherofTerriers · 01/12/2020 17:28

I think you need full disclosure. All his assets. And I suspect you will need a SHL to insist on this, he's going to keep wriggling and try to persuade you to agree to a settlement without knowing exactly what he owns. And why would you want to do that?

ALLIS0N · 01/12/2020 17:34

I’m sorry to be a pain, but I’ve been saying since the start of this thread that he’s hiding money.

I suspect that a lot of his self pitying drama is misdirection as well as manipulation.

LittleMissNaice · 01/12/2020 17:36

I may be remembering a different thread, but didn't you say he'd been divorced before? More than once? He knows how this should work.