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Last week I told DH I want a divorce

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StuckInPollyannaMode · 16/08/2020 19:25

Things have been very rocky for 8 months, going steadily downhill for 2 years. Not going to bore you with the details. We have 2 children.

He says no. A flat no, it’s not happening. He can’t do it. He’s been divorced before. He admits his behaviour over the last year hasn’t been good enough and he hasn’t been present or involved.

I’ve told him I love him but I’m no longer in love with him. He asked what love is anyway.

I can’t live in a sexless, affection less marriage for another 40 years. There have been ultimatums and serious discussions about separating before but he’s finally starting to pay it some attention.

He’s a good man and a good father. But he’s not listening. I think he thinks that if he keeps telling me it will all be ok that he’ll get his own way. I’ve agreed to counselling but we’ll be going into it with two very separate aims - his to make it work, mine to have an amicable divorce.

I’m absolutely sure of my decision. We’re good friends who have children. The spark is gone and we have very different views on what we want from life.

I don’t want it to get to the stage where we are arguing every day and lose all respect for each other. He thinks I’m being idealistic and we can sort it all out. But we can’t. I no longer desire him or want him as a partner. We’re basically room mates.

I know he was shocked, I know it takes time. But he can’t say no forever can he?

We both work, there’s no affair or anything.

How do I keep pushing this? Like so many things over the course of our marriage, I’m the one having to be the grown up and make the decision.

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Boonlark · 01/11/2020 09:06

*see the silly games

Goldencurtain · 01/11/2020 11:57

Just read all your posts. I feel so, so sorry for your husband. You may have fallen out of love with him but you have treated him with utter contempt. He was still in love with you and was desperately doing anything to save the relationship which you just laughed at and responded with scorn. In years to come, I hope you look back at this thread and feel ashamed that you could treat another person's love for you with such derision. He is better off without you.

carbhunter · 01/11/2020 12:03

Are you the ops dh Goldencurtain?
Hmm
I obviously haven't read the same thread because that's not how it comes across to me at all.

howimetyourmother · 01/11/2020 12:07

@Goldencurtain only person you should be feeling sorry for is yourself for most likely being a dootmat in your marriage if you are even married. Keep going OP your doing so well.

Daftapath · 01/11/2020 12:52

@Goldencurtain

Just read all your posts. I feel so, so sorry for your husband. You may have fallen out of love with him but you have treated him with utter contempt. He was still in love with you and was desperately doing anything to save the relationship which you just laughed at and responded with scorn. In years to come, I hope you look back at this thread and feel ashamed that you could treat another person's love for you with such derision. He is better off without you.
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Goldencurtain · 01/11/2020 14:41

Pretty sure if this was a man talking about his wife you would have all been disgusted.

RandomMess · 01/11/2020 14:59

The OP didn't "fall out of love" She has been unhappy with her H attitude to her for YEARS has asked for joint counselling for YEARS.

How is it suddenly her fault that after him ignoring her needs and desire for all this time that it's too late? It seems pretty clear that he just expecting her to put up and shut up and he could just ignore her raising issues without consequence as he sees himself as the boss and his minions should be grateful.

katmarie · 01/11/2020 19:09

@Goldencurtain we are talking about a man who told their child that he would call the police on her for her behaviour, threw the child's gifts in the bin, and then told the child that he wished she had never been born. On top of that there is the long term financial abuse and the fact that op has given him repeated opportunities over the last couple of years to revert to being the decent human being she married. In her previous thread she said several times that she would prefer to stay married if he could sort his shit out, but he hasn't tried at all to improve things. He's had his chances, many of them, and frankly I think @stuckinpollyannamode has been pretty damn reasonable under the circumstances.

ValleysGirl72 · 01/11/2020 19:52

@StuckInPollyannaMode [fingers crossed] for the barn, sounds lvely

Mollymommy · 01/11/2020 21:40

Following this with interest! I feel exactly the same way!! I’m so scared, I want to tell him, I just can’t imagine it going down well. I also can’t imagine what the next step will he, I don’t know how we can afford to run two households, who will move out. I’m at such a loss

S00LA · 02/11/2020 00:54

Another 🤞🏼For the 🏡

BlueThistles · 02/11/2020 00:56

Superb OP... fingers and toes crossed 🌺

OhamIreally · 03/11/2020 07:22

@Mollymommy you shouldn't think of it as "we" running two households if what you are looking for is to be apart. You need to focus on the one household you can afford.

StuckInPollyannaMode · 03/11/2020 16:07

Thank you for defending me folks - much appreciated. I'm not going to respond to those remarks other than to say they were extremely upsetting. I have NEVER laughed at my husband, nor scorned him. I have tried repeatedly to help him. I can't do it any more.

Onto other matters.

@Mollymommy I'm sorry you're in the same position. Arm yourself with knowledge and information, the financial situation may not be as bad as you think.

I'm not having a good week - permanent stress headache, sleeping a lot. I"m running every day and I'm off booze, need to try and stay positive. I'm not helped by the Covid situation but thankfully the schools are still going, and the children are happy and on good form.

I just found out I'm not the first in the queue for that house. Really disappointing. They haven't decided if they are going to re-let it. A couple of others are on the market in the village, but they are too expensive.

I think I'd be a lot better if I had somewhere to go to. But I'm not leaving until we have an agreement on the children.

He has acknowledged that I am trying my hardest to do this with grace and kindness. However, I'm steeling myself for a battle in mediation about money and the children. Neither of us is budging.

Ironically we are now getting on better than we have done in years.

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S00LA · 03/11/2020 17:33

You are doing really well OP I know it doesn't feel like it when you are in the middle of it all.

RandomMess · 03/11/2020 17:39

What child arrangements is he saying he wants?

StuckInPollyannaMode · 04/11/2020 17:45

He wants 50/50.

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RandomMess · 04/11/2020 18:42

Even though he continually fails to provide it??

When the air B&B reopen or if you know anyone that has a self contained one how about you start each of you living away alternate weeks... give him a sharp dose of reality??

How is he suddenly going to do all school drop offs and pick ups for 5 school days in a row?

StuckInPollyannaMode · 04/11/2020 19:05

Apparently he is going to work in the early mornings and evenings once they’ve gone to bed. Which results in him being super tired and snappy.

I’m absolutely not leaving without some kind of agreement on the children, not even for a long weekend. But yes, he won’t be able to cope with the reality.

Got a lead on another barn today...edging closer. He’s just had a go at me for not buying and going into rented. He even gave me the details of a house about 1/4 mile away from his which he can’t understand why I don’t buy.

I can’t, because I can’t get a bloody mortgage til we have a financial settlement!!

Interesting I’ve been really down and struggling since the weekend. Today I have felt MUCH better, achieved a lot more, been more relaxed with the kids etc.

It took my business partner to point out that the difference is that he has been down to his office today, so he didn’t come back til 6.30.

I just hadn’t made the connection. Now, half an hour in, my headache and tiredness are back.

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RandomMess · 04/11/2020 19:16

Can you bolster yourself enough to tell him where you live or what you choose to do is NONE of his business and HOW DARE he speak to you like you are subservient to him AngryAngryAngryAngry

Has he found somewhere to buy then?

RandomMess · 04/11/2020 19:18

I would go out in your car every morning and leave him to do all the school run on his own and you can do the pick ups.

I literally mean do not be in the house do not help get the DC up, breakfast, school run, nothing.

Go for a walk, do some emails etc in the car and so on.

StuckInPollyannaMode · 04/11/2020 20:36

Yes, he’s got a house - offer accepted a couple of weeks ago.

He’s now flapping about what we will do when the children go to their activities and he has to entertain the other one as both will need to go. Erm - the same as I’ve done for the past few years...make them wait it out with a book or run round a playground etc. He keeps saying, in the manner of a Kitchener poster complete with pointy finger, ‘it could be YOU’ having to stand in a hall / on the sidelines / by a pool...yeah, I know...

I’m going to bed. Between this and the US election I’ve had quite enough of today 😂

PS I’ve started cycling, going out every morning he’s on school run and coming back at 8.30! Funny how many of my conference calls are now at school pick up time on his days.

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RandomMess · 04/11/2020 20:52

I wouldn't be giving him advice I would be saying "dunno" and walking off or if really can't "sure you can work it out"

If he managing to be self sufficient on his days? Are you still cooking family meals? I would knock that on the head he needs to cater for them on his days and you on yours and start shopping separately that way you can also claim for any UC entitlement you have.

Don't let him bully you into doing what he wants just because you live in the same house. Like those plans he had you just say on your evenings you have the DC I'll make myself scarce and you need to do the same on mine.

Daftapath · 04/11/2020 23:43

If he buys a property and moves out before the family home is sold, won't he then have to pay capital gains tax on the family home?

Weenurse · 05/11/2020 06:35

Love it, keep up the bike rides and conference calls