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Last week I told DH I want a divorce

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StuckInPollyannaMode · 16/08/2020 19:25

Things have been very rocky for 8 months, going steadily downhill for 2 years. Not going to bore you with the details. We have 2 children.

He says no. A flat no, it’s not happening. He can’t do it. He’s been divorced before. He admits his behaviour over the last year hasn’t been good enough and he hasn’t been present or involved.

I’ve told him I love him but I’m no longer in love with him. He asked what love is anyway.

I can’t live in a sexless, affection less marriage for another 40 years. There have been ultimatums and serious discussions about separating before but he’s finally starting to pay it some attention.

He’s a good man and a good father. But he’s not listening. I think he thinks that if he keeps telling me it will all be ok that he’ll get his own way. I’ve agreed to counselling but we’ll be going into it with two very separate aims - his to make it work, mine to have an amicable divorce.

I’m absolutely sure of my decision. We’re good friends who have children. The spark is gone and we have very different views on what we want from life.

I don’t want it to get to the stage where we are arguing every day and lose all respect for each other. He thinks I’m being idealistic and we can sort it all out. But we can’t. I no longer desire him or want him as a partner. We’re basically room mates.

I know he was shocked, I know it takes time. But he can’t say no forever can he?

We both work, there’s no affair or anything.

How do I keep pushing this? Like so many things over the course of our marriage, I’m the one having to be the grown up and make the decision.

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RandomMess · 01/10/2020 07:56

I doubt the solicitor said any of that...

Seriously he is either outright lying or he has said all of that and the solicitor has agreed they are things that COULD possibly happen. He is trying to get someone to back him up and bully you because for once you aren't going along with what he wants.

Rent together??? No one can force you to rent with him.

DC live one with each of you??? Their opinions carry little weight at court until they are 12ish they are an age where they are told what is happening.

What he is offering is "fair" - hmm could well be if he were to do proper 50:50 care, he was honest about your earning potential, honest that you have sacrificed your career, honest about the equity in the house and value of his pensions....

Do not reveal to him what your solicitor thinks/says and ignore his lies it's more bluffing and mansplaining to get what he what's is for you to stay together as long as possible and him hand onto "his"'money and do zero parenting!!

Basically stop discussing stuff with full stop until mediation and don't agree to 50:50 parenting because he won't stick to it and it affects your settlement.

Back to finding somewhere to move out and rent with the DC without him knowing.

RandomMess · 01/10/2020 07:58

So he wants you to do the work of him sorting out his pensions???

FFS 🤦🏼‍♀️

GreenGoldRed · 01/10/2020 08:06

I doubt the solicitor said you would need to rent together. She probably flagged up that if parties make decisions on matrimonial assets the court may not approve that decision or order something else. Standard safety netting advice.

justilou1 · 01/10/2020 08:13

I think he is making shit up. There is no way a solicitor said that you and he would be renting together. No way at all. Also, if any part of what he said is true, it is the speed of the house sale. Others here have expressed concerns also.

RandomMess · 01/10/2020 08:18

If he mentions anything his solicitor says I would snort or laugh and say something "ok if that's what you believe" or say nothing raise your eyebrow and walk off...

At least you know it isn't just you he ignores and doesn't listen to... he isn't listening to his own solicitor either!

S00LA · 01/10/2020 08:18

Apparently the solicitor he spoke to told him he was being more than fair and generous. She was concerned by the speed this was moving and that the house was about to go on the market. That we may all need to rent together until the financial settlement is agreed (I don’t know if he’s realised this means the swanky exec new build may be off limits)

Really? I’m surprised she didn’t also say what a wonderful man he was and what a foolish and ungrateful woman you are to be divorcing him Hmm.

It’s quite insulting to your intelligence isn’t it?

OhCaptain · 01/10/2020 10:45

I can guarantee that he’s taken a snippet of something the solicitor said and twisted it to suit his narrative!

katmarie · 01/10/2020 10:59

Hes still trying to manipulate you. No solicitor could make you rent together, you don't have to live with anyone if you have the means to fund your own place. And besides the solicitors word isn't gospel, the only person with that power is a judge and I've never heard of a court order forcing a divorcing couple to rent together. Suspect what she actually said was it would be better for your finances to rent together until the divorce is settled. That's the only angle I can come up with.

As for the kids, they will make their choices when they are old enough, of course. That will depend a lot on the effort put in by both parents to their relationships with the kids. Until then it would absolutely not be in their interests to split them up. Thats ridiculous. Hes heard something innocuous and spun it out in his mind or hes deliberately making stuff up.

RandomMess · 01/10/2020 11:01

I actually think he is saying these things to frighten you into halting the process or agreeing to the settlement he wants.

We said he'd get nasty...

KOKO Thanks

REignbow · 01/10/2020 11:23

^ I actually think he is saying these things to frighten you into halting the process or agreeing to the settlement he wants.

We said he'd get nasty...

KOKO thanks^

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Please ask yourself this. Why would any judge enforce siblings to be separated because their parents are divorcing...?

Ffs, family courts do whatever they can to keep siblings together, even in adoption.

Also, how can a judge (or solicitor), enforce you to live in rented accommodation together?

He really thinks you are stupid..?

I’d be loathe to do any mediation with him personally (although I understand you’d have to do it) and unless he agrees to set days to have the D.C., then I’d take this to court.

Remember, you are trying to put your DC first in all this. He is protecting his assets, doesn’t really want to parent and wants you to continue to facilitate his life even after you have separated.

justilou1 · 01/10/2020 12:45

Tell him to sort his own fucking pensions, btw

StuckInPollyannaMode · 01/10/2020 13:28

I know, I know. It's far more rational when you all say it!

I went down to make lunch and he was sitting there all sad face, and has asked that after we tell the children tomorrow night that we sit down and have a pizza together as a family. He's up for a big melodramatic telling, I'm of the 'lets be pragmatic and they'll take their cues from us' type of approach.

He then spent 10 minutes musing on the difference between the words 'separating' and 'splitting' in terms of what the children will take from it. Apparently he is going to cry because it's just tearing him apart.

He wants to buy a double swing so he's got somewhere to sit with the kids for a chat in the garden of his theoretical house, and then in the next breath tells me that he is going to end up in a house so small he doesn't have room for the children so they'll be with me all the time.

He doesn't know what he's doing, does he? I pointed out that mortgages are done on multiplications of income so he will have far more leeway than me and perhaps he might want to speak to a mortgage advisor. At which point he asked if he could use mine if I could just send him the details! Erm...

I wanted to slap him round the face with a wet dishcloth.

At least if the house is sold then the assets will be liquid I guess. And it's far too large, only one of us here would rattle. Plus I'm worried about the market collapsing.

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RandomMess · 01/10/2020 13:50

Tell him to get a grip and put the DC first, no more am dram about telling them.

I would actually arrange for you to take the DC out for McDonalds without him afterwards or some other such treat. He is going to do his best to make them upset and crying and turn it around into it being your fault.

Stop giving him advice and help he that can do his big important job can sort his own life out...!

StuckInPollyannaMode · 01/10/2020 13:56

I have a Cunning Plan involving a friend of theirs and a new kitten...plus they have dogs and horses. So we'll go over there and I can drink gin and they can run riot. (walking distance before anyone says anything about drink driving!)

Oh, and he's concerned the girls won't find life with him exciting enough as he likes his little routines and knowing what is happening, whereas if they're with me they'll be off having fun and he'll be much more sedate.

I rolled my eyes at him @RandomMess and didn't rise to any of the other stuff - even a week ago I would have. Now I (mostly) just go 'ahha, ahha' and sing showtunes in my head (this morning I worked my way through several Greatest Showman numbers)

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RandomMess · 01/10/2020 14:01

What he means is he is worried they won't want to spend time with him because he can't be bothered to be a parent...

🤬

He wants to live his life with the wife and kids ticking the family man box with zero effort or engagement from him!!

OhCaptain · 01/10/2020 14:08

He will 100% make this as hard as possible on the children.

He wants to upset them because he wants to manipulate you. And that should tell you all you need to know about him.

Making it easy on them as any good parent would just isn’t on his agenda.

Great idea with the visit to a friend’s. Although they might be a bit subdued.

justilou1 · 01/10/2020 14:30

You need a t-shirt with “That sounds like a You Problem” on the front. Actually, I think you need seven of them at the moment. You would just need to point at the shirt then walk away. Come to think of it, you could get it printed on tea towels, placemats, anywhere he’s likely to get soggy. Maybe he’ll fuck off faster!

StuckInPollyannaMode · 01/10/2020 20:30

We've reached a new low, my friends.

He's going to the supermarket tomorrow. Asked if I wanted anything. I poured out the last of the gin into my glass, topped it up with tonic, then said 'Could you get me a bottle of this please?'

No. No, for it is too costly.

This is now all out war.

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StuckInPollyannaMode · 01/10/2020 20:32

Let me know where to put that order in, @justilou1

I'd also like to order some t-shirts printed with

FUCK YOU

In the style of the ones we had in the late 90s, really BIG block lettering.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to play Lily Allen's F You very loudly.

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RandomMess · 01/10/2020 20:36

Miserly fucker

Inaseagull · 01/10/2020 22:36

Get him this for Christmas
www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/Richard-Wilson-plays-Victor-Meldrew-by-mags0412/22210443.1YYVU

user15412486546 · 01/10/2020 22:45

He wants to buy a double swing so he's got somewhere to sit with the kids for a chat in the garden of his theoretical house

It is very fitting that you've taken to singing showtunes in your head as he performs, because it really is a tragedy that he went into the corporate world rather than the theatre. What a loss to the arts.

When he was musing on terminology did you suggest "conscious uncoupling"? It suits his style.

S00LA · 01/10/2020 23:52

It is very fitting that you've taken to singing showtunes in your head as he performs, because it really is a tragedy that he went into the corporate world rather than the theatre. What a loss to the arts

😂😂😂

justilou1 · 02/10/2020 01:46

Bahahaha! I play that song every time my MIL rings! (My kids do too. - they’re much older than yours, btw)

StuckInPollyannaMode · 02/10/2020 06:34

Victor Meldrew! SO fitting.

@user15412486546 I'm going to steal that! Brilliant. Conscious uncoupling is too arty farty for him, I did suggest it.

Woken up to several messages from friends re the gin thing. At least 3 bottles are being sent to me in a rescue bid Grin that's not why I told them, but they are all incensed.

Am still cross about it.

Will go and see if I can reprogramme my phone to play it if she rings. Good plan.

Actually, that reminds me. When he divorced wife number 2, he took the bucket for washing the car and proudly presented it to me. Should have known really.

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