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Last week I told DH I want a divorce

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StuckInPollyannaMode · 16/08/2020 19:25

Things have been very rocky for 8 months, going steadily downhill for 2 years. Not going to bore you with the details. We have 2 children.

He says no. A flat no, it’s not happening. He can’t do it. He’s been divorced before. He admits his behaviour over the last year hasn’t been good enough and he hasn’t been present or involved.

I’ve told him I love him but I’m no longer in love with him. He asked what love is anyway.

I can’t live in a sexless, affection less marriage for another 40 years. There have been ultimatums and serious discussions about separating before but he’s finally starting to pay it some attention.

He’s a good man and a good father. But he’s not listening. I think he thinks that if he keeps telling me it will all be ok that he’ll get his own way. I’ve agreed to counselling but we’ll be going into it with two very separate aims - his to make it work, mine to have an amicable divorce.

I’m absolutely sure of my decision. We’re good friends who have children. The spark is gone and we have very different views on what we want from life.

I don’t want it to get to the stage where we are arguing every day and lose all respect for each other. He thinks I’m being idealistic and we can sort it all out. But we can’t. I no longer desire him or want him as a partner. We’re basically room mates.

I know he was shocked, I know it takes time. But he can’t say no forever can he?

We both work, there’s no affair or anything.

How do I keep pushing this? Like so many things over the course of our marriage, I’m the one having to be the grown up and make the decision.

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RandomMess · 10/09/2020 21:18

Have you applied for Child Benefit or do you already claim it?

BlueThistles · 10/09/2020 21:29

Good on you OP, do not be appeased by false generosity. Dig deep and copy everything.

ALLIS0N · 10/09/2020 21:41

Your instincts are good OP, he’s definitely hiding something. I know I keep saying this but its probably a pension or other investments.

That’s probably why he got a tax return - he’s due to pay tax on his pension contributions or a capital gain on a sale.

Does he get any dividends from his work or other shares ?

That tax return is a great big clue.

justilou1 · 10/09/2020 22:43

Honestly, given his sudden show of a yellow belly, I would threaten him with everything you want and papers signed immediately or a forensic accountant.

StuckInPollyannaMode · 11/09/2020 07:55

No I haven’t applied for CB yet - nor UC - opted out of CB due to his salary when the children were born. He’s still paying for a lot of stuff (did a food shop last night which was largely unnecessary for example) and he did put petrol in —my— the car.

Do you think I should start that process? The house will go on the market at the end of the month.

That’s what he agreed, to pay for childcare during the holidays.

I’m going to get that in writing from him.

Do you think I should be pushing for 65% of the house equity too?

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RandomMess · 11/09/2020 08:08

Yes apply for CB it will take time to sort out and you need it before you can apply for UC.

You should be asking for 65% of all marital assets - you want a clean break!!

Doesn't matter if he puts the childcare agreement in writing it's not enforceable... hence go for more assets and CMS with anything else he does pay being a bonus.

I suspect he knows it's not enforceable, in some ways spousal support for a year (plus CMS) is better because that is enforceable.

Always go for more of the assets and I would consider a forensic accountant if there is a risk he hasn't declared everything.

His other pension could be huge - large enough to cash in and buy a house outright and live off his current one... if he stops working or goes self employed then the CMS payments will be small.

He wanted 50:50 so why is he going to pay for holiday childcare rather than use his leave to have them for 6 weeks of it?

ALLIS0N · 11/09/2020 08:41

I assume that mean you get CB at nil rate- not that you opted out of it. Getting CB at nil rate protects your pension when you have no income.

And yes apply for it at full rate now.

As @RandomMess says, always go for a bigger share up front than a promise of money in the future. A large proportion of men find it easy to get out of paying later.

ALLIS0N · 11/09/2020 08:47

Look at the dozens on threads here on MN where the new partners of married men are complaining about how much “ he gives to his ex” and why she doesn’t “need it “ ( she went on holiday last year , has Skye and gets her nails done ).

It’s clear that many if not most men ( and some women ) think that the kids are no longer his responsibility if their mother is no longer servicing him. Everyone thinks it won’t be their husband / partner because he’s “ devoted to his kids and a great father “. Sadly many of them are wrong.

StuckInPollyannaMode · 11/09/2020 15:34

He's going to pay for childcare so he can carry on working during the holidays.

Honestly, this is laughable.

I'm getting so tired of this shit. Now he wants to have a pot from the assets to buy replacement items that the other one will take - ie the hoover, KitchenAid etc.

Oh, and can we have a family dinner together once a week. Now that I'm actually not against, it'll be good for the kids, but I said fine, one week yours, one week mine, and that surprised him. I think he thought I'd be doing a dinner party for him each week. Nope.

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RandomMess · 11/09/2020 15:37

Honestly I wouldn't go down the dinner route it's far too enmeshed and confusing and is a way for him to wield power/control. You can suggest he hosts firsts and the decide it doesn't work for you...

I mean is it going to be on his night so you don't benefit from child free time or your night so he gets to the DC without actually having to parent...

What about if you meet someone new??? Just don't even go there...

BlueThistles · 11/09/2020 15:42

What about if you meet someone new??? Just don't even go there...

too true

OhCaptain · 11/09/2020 17:35

I think you’ll regret that dinner thing...

jay55 · 11/09/2020 19:24

I bet on his week he'd take you all out to a nice place, then deduct the cost of your meal from that weeks maintenance.

justilou1 · 11/09/2020 21:02

That dinner will be a Millstone. Maybe agree for a couple of months.

SwanShaped · 11/09/2020 22:03

Not dinner. It’ll be confusing for the kids. And he’ll defo want it to be you cooking all the time

ALLIS0N · 11/09/2020 22:09

I'm getting so tired of this shit. Now he wants to have a pot from the assets to buy replacement items that the other one will take - ie the hoover, KitchenAid etc

He is distracting you by arguing about things that cost a few hundred pounds, so you don’t see the tens or maybe even hundreds of thousands he’s hiding from you.

Like a conjuror doing a trick . I think it’s called misdirection.

StuckInPollyannaMode · 11/09/2020 22:13

Fuck dinner. He wants to not pay child maintenance because he doesn’t want the monthly outgoing. It’s not faaaaiiir, apparently.

He wants me to either help him or set aside some money to help him put up curtains and put beds together because he’s incapable of reading instructions.

I was like NO. Stop being such a man child.

I went to a neighbours for some drinks. Going to regret it in the morning, plus I’m now in proud possession of a cactus which is about to flower.

It’ll be dead by Saturday tea time.

Thus endeth my Friday.

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RandomMess · 11/09/2020 22:22

What he wants is for the marriage to continue despite the divorce...

justilou1 · 11/09/2020 22:37

Forensic accountant

ALLIS0N · 11/09/2020 22:38

Make sure you put the cactus in the same position in the house as it was in your neighbours eg front window or back porch. That’s where it’s happy with the amount of light and the temperature.

justilou1 · 11/09/2020 22:45

I was going to suggest putting it in DH’s bed

BlueThistles · 12/09/2020 00:04

He's not stupid OP, beware the calculating man.

justilou1 · 12/09/2020 02:06

Stop the dialogue about money immediately and just leave it to lawyers.

StuckInPollyannaMode · 12/09/2020 05:14

I’ve been awake since 3am.

Been studying those helpful links - thank you

Yes I’m going to have to hand it over to the lawyers and let them sort it. I’m terrified he’s so conditioned me with money that I’ll be absolutely screwed.

Going for a run in an hour. If I don’t run, I don’t sleep.

I need to get a handle on my emotional eating - I’m putting on weight and that isn’t making me feel any better.

On the plus side, the cactus is still upright.

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