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Last week I told DH I want a divorce

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StuckInPollyannaMode · 16/08/2020 19:25

Things have been very rocky for 8 months, going steadily downhill for 2 years. Not going to bore you with the details. We have 2 children.

He says no. A flat no, it’s not happening. He can’t do it. He’s been divorced before. He admits his behaviour over the last year hasn’t been good enough and he hasn’t been present or involved.

I’ve told him I love him but I’m no longer in love with him. He asked what love is anyway.

I can’t live in a sexless, affection less marriage for another 40 years. There have been ultimatums and serious discussions about separating before but he’s finally starting to pay it some attention.

He’s a good man and a good father. But he’s not listening. I think he thinks that if he keeps telling me it will all be ok that he’ll get his own way. I’ve agreed to counselling but we’ll be going into it with two very separate aims - his to make it work, mine to have an amicable divorce.

I’m absolutely sure of my decision. We’re good friends who have children. The spark is gone and we have very different views on what we want from life.

I don’t want it to get to the stage where we are arguing every day and lose all respect for each other. He thinks I’m being idealistic and we can sort it all out. But we can’t. I no longer desire him or want him as a partner. We’re basically room mates.

I know he was shocked, I know it takes time. But he can’t say no forever can he?

We both work, there’s no affair or anything.

How do I keep pushing this? Like so many things over the course of our marriage, I’m the one having to be the grown up and make the decision.

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updownroundandround · 09/09/2020 16:04

LOL, just saw how long that post was.................Grin,

I've obviously got altogether too much free time today ! Grin

EL8888 · 09/09/2020 16:19

It’s fine if he wants to say no but it doesn’t mean it’s not happening. He’s just making it more hard for you all, especially himself. I agree as others have said for you to set your stall out e.g. household stuff, child rearing e.g. “are you taking the children to swimming on Sunday? Great, if it’s your day then you can have them for the rest of the day. Saturday l will take them for the day, the 3 of us can go for a walk” etc

StuckInPollyannaMode · 09/09/2020 18:05

I'm in awe @updownroundandround Grin you've articulated it far better than I ever could. Thank you so much to everyone who is contributing, it's really really helping me.

Got the valuation through from the estate agent. £100k MORE than expected. He's been a lot nicer since. Although the line 'are you sure you want to throw all this away when we've built this up' didn't QUITE endear him to me.

Stall has been set for this weekend - I'm picking them up from school, dropping them back and doing tea, then going to a friends house until 6pm on Saturday. I'm taking them out for the day on Sunday.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Mr.

Oh, and he wants to have enough money out of the settlement to be able to get a KitchenAid, as he wants to learn how to bake.

He can't even remove the beater.

He wants my car as well. Which for weird reasons he owns and I his. Which is due to go back in January. I chose the bloody car I drive and I'm damned if I'm changing it. He can buy me a newer one Grin

I really need to stick to my guns on the 50% thing for holidays. That's going to be a challenge.

Oh, and he wants tomorrow's counselling session to be the last one. Then he can start to save for the move.

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RandomMess · 09/09/2020 18:18

He wants more or less than 50% of the holidays??

How much annual leave does he get?

You can also remind him he is legally entitled to unpaid parental leave to spend time with his DC...

ithinkiveseenthisfilmbefore · 09/09/2020 18:42

Hang in there OP.

Stand firm on what is acceptable to you and what isn't.

Twisique · 10/09/2020 09:43

Sounds like a bit of progress!

justilou1 · 10/09/2020 10:15

His twattery knows no abounds. He expects YOU to make it work. What a fucking shock.

QuentinWinters · 10/09/2020 11:30

He's a knob. Sounds like your marriage is a gravy train for him and he doesn't want to be worse off. Flip side is - you are going to feel better off, I bet.
Don't talk to him about money, don't get drawn in to endless detailed discussion about childcare, its designed to exhaust you and make you think it's too hard to bother (been there, got the T shirt)
Watch out for him declining to use a solicitor, he might be hiding assets. Probably is.
Get into mediation ASAP, ask SHL if she can recommend a mediator
I divorced someone with some of these traits a couple of years ago, its been extremely hard work. He still can't conceive that I might have any plans or needs if my own and everything to do with money or plans, he is totally inflexible.
Mediation and divorce paperwork was what cracked it for us - he has to play ball in mediation, if he refuses it looks bad in court. He will also have to fill out financial paperwork and it's illegal to lie, so you will find out all sorts. Be prepared for it to hurt.

StuckInPollyannaMode · 10/09/2020 11:37

I don't know what he wants in the holidays - he get 28 days leave.

I'm SO cross about the car. But it's just a lump of metal, it's a way of getting from A to B, it's not a hill to die on. It's expensive to run so at least that way I will be able to save a bit of cash! And in a few years I'll buy a top of the range model and he can fuck off.

About to head into counselling...

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updownroundandround · 10/09/2020 11:37

@ StuckInPollyannaMode

Excellent news about the valuation ! Grin. Now you know what kind of settlement you're likely to get.

As far as he's concerned, he's got 100k more to lose.................Everybody say 'Awwww' Grin (so be prepared to hear him say ad nauseum...........''we don't need to split up............we could make it work'' just so he doesn't have to give you* any money)

In your final counselling session, you can make a point of telling him that you'll buy him a divorce gift of a KitchenAid as it's so important to him to get one...........Grin

He switches 'his' position/ views 180 degrees so bloody fast. I'm dizzy!

In all honesty op, I'd forget whatever crap he comes out with within 10 seconds of it being said, he obviously does Grin

Concentrate on what you and your DC need/ want, and forget about him..................as whatever you say, he will say the opposite.

(Actually, you may want to use that to get what you want sometimes.............e.g. you actually want 50/50 with set weeks........so, tell him that the only thing you won't consider any more is 50/50, because you'd miss the kids too much and he's had his chance to get that when you offered.................?)

Also, if you own his ''precious'' car, you need to be driving it ! With the kids, eating McD's and spilling crap all over the place !........Grin.................Maybe then he'll ''rethink'' the deal with your car ?? Wink ( you could even take his name off the insurance ! Shock)

Crack on and have a great weekend, happy that you are making progress Wink

RandomMess · 10/09/2020 11:49

Well he will have to find and pay for the other 2 weeks of 50:50 holiday childcare won't he, like you will???

RandomMess · 10/09/2020 11:51

Not to mention the value of the cars and pensions are all part of the marital asset pot anyway...

Any jewellery you have isn't btw Wink

StuckInPollyannaMode · 10/09/2020 14:00

Holy moley.

He rolled right over. Agreed to pension split, equity split, set childcare days, paying for all the DCs out of school activities, INCLUDING for weeks I have them in the holidays, paying for 2 x new sets of clothes and shoes twice a year, equity split in the house, and me having the car if I want it (perversely I have now decided I don't want it and I want another one which will cost me much less to run).

We even talked about telling the kids

I said all this is subject to me thinking about it and my SHL agreeing - but is basically what she said to ask for.

I'm even to stay as his beneficiary for death in service.

What is he hiding???

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Disfordarkchocolate · 10/09/2020 14:03

I'd be more inclined to think will he go through with it!

RandomMess · 10/09/2020 14:03

Hmmmm new woman on the side?

Did you ask for more than 50%

Has he got a 2nd pension you don't know about, is he likely to inherit??

Nanny0gg · 10/09/2020 14:23

If you have Death in Service he can take it away if new woman appears.

If the children have it I don't think it would look good if it got taken away for new woman.

Just a thought.

RandomMess · 10/09/2020 14:33

Or a solicitor has told him how much it will cost to fight you?

What child spilt have you agreed?

QuentinWinters · 10/09/2020 14:36

Bet he has hidden stuff he doesn't want you to see
TBH with my ex I decided that as I was getting what I needed I wasn't going to dig too much.

Ratbagcatbag · 10/09/2020 14:53

That would make me suspicious. Is there any chance hes got AVCs for a pension elsewhere? Or more savings than you know about?

StuckInPollyannaMode · 10/09/2020 17:34

He hasn't had time to find another woman Grin

Good point about DIS going to the kids.

I got 65%, 1 night a week with him plus EOW - did your suggestion @RandomMess of the weekend going from Friday to Monday. He's shirking about maintenance now, saying that as he's paying for their activities and childcare (out of school club) that he doesn't have to make a monthly payment... .erm, nope.

He seems suspiciously upbeat. I need to remain On My Guard.

He's out all day Wednesday so need to ferret for paperwork then.

I think I'm aware of all the savings. I need to check his pension though. I'm the one who picks up all the post and usually opens it, and mine is the default email for most logons etc - I'd be surprised if he had something I didn't know about. Inheritance - mine will be significantly more than his from parents. Wider family - he has one very well off relative, who has always been very generous at Christmas, but comes from a long line of people who live to a fine old age and is in rude health so I'd be surprised if that was coming imminently - she's stayed in touch with the first wife who she doesn't like, and she and I get on well, so I'd be more inclined to think she'd treat all the children fairly.

He's worried about our pensions from before we got married and whether I'm going to go after those. To be honest I'm not bothered, there's two I want to know about but apart from that... it'll now be down to equity.

I suggested we meet with our financial advisor to talk about mortgages. Which he agreed to.

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RandomMess · 10/09/2020 17:41

Ah that will be his leverage- his pensions.

Well tough shit he has declare them all and then ask your solicitor, could be you get more than 65% in return for not claiming then.

I'm a bit confused about the childcare thing - are you not spitting school holidays 50:50??

Remember he can back track at any point on these payments and can only be enforced to pay CMS level maintenance. It may be worth going for higher equity, 12 months spousal and CMS only.

Is he salaried or any kind of self employed??

Perhaps he is planning on retiring soon and not paying you much at all...

Perhaps he thinks there will be little CMS to pay as he is doing 9 days out of 14 not realising he's only doing 5 nights and it's nights that count...

BlueThistles · 10/09/2020 18:20

OP Im in awe of your continued strength. Keep going.

StuckInPollyannaMode · 10/09/2020 20:48

He’s salaried. In fact, he got a letter the other day from HMRC asking him to fill in a tax return which he’s never had to do before as he’s always had one source of income which is taxed at source. I could tell he thought I’d dobbed him in!

He wants the term time arrangement to continue in the holidays with prior agreement on what weeks we’d like to go away.

I’m absolutely shattered. and increasingly worried he’s hiding something. He’s too law abiding to hide it for long.

Ah thanks @BlueThistles - it doesn’t feel like it!

I’ve just said to him we need to talk about maintenance and food for the girls. He’s clearly had enough talking for one day, put it like that!

I’m sure this period of niceness won’t last. Barely slept last night so I’m off to bed now.

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StuckInPollyannaMode · 10/09/2020 20:52

I’ve just done the cms calculator. STUNNED by the amount. And I was being generous, putting down 3 nights a week with the other parent to allow for any holiday changes.

He ain’t getting away with £50 a week towards food, put it like that.

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RandomMess · 10/09/2020 21:18

No wonder he was keen to offer to pay for x y z...

I would honestly tell him he has to cover childcare for 50% of school holidays!!! No doubt he will swan off on holiday without them and you will have the stress of sorting it all out... he does understand he will be covering the Friday, Monday and Thursday and not dumping them on you during the day instead of school?