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Last week I told DH I want a divorce

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StuckInPollyannaMode · 16/08/2020 19:25

Things have been very rocky for 8 months, going steadily downhill for 2 years. Not going to bore you with the details. We have 2 children.

He says no. A flat no, it’s not happening. He can’t do it. He’s been divorced before. He admits his behaviour over the last year hasn’t been good enough and he hasn’t been present or involved.

I’ve told him I love him but I’m no longer in love with him. He asked what love is anyway.

I can’t live in a sexless, affection less marriage for another 40 years. There have been ultimatums and serious discussions about separating before but he’s finally starting to pay it some attention.

He’s a good man and a good father. But he’s not listening. I think he thinks that if he keeps telling me it will all be ok that he’ll get his own way. I’ve agreed to counselling but we’ll be going into it with two very separate aims - his to make it work, mine to have an amicable divorce.

I’m absolutely sure of my decision. We’re good friends who have children. The spark is gone and we have very different views on what we want from life.

I don’t want it to get to the stage where we are arguing every day and lose all respect for each other. He thinks I’m being idealistic and we can sort it all out. But we can’t. I no longer desire him or want him as a partner. We’re basically room mates.

I know he was shocked, I know it takes time. But he can’t say no forever can he?

We both work, there’s no affair or anything.

How do I keep pushing this? Like so many things over the course of our marriage, I’m the one having to be the grown up and make the decision.

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StuckInPollyannaMode · 06/09/2020 18:59

If I get half or more I won’t get universal credit will I? I’ll have more than £16k.

Or do I spend it?!

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RandomMess · 06/09/2020 19:23

Will you not buy your own home or can you not afford one via shared ownership?

RandomMess · 06/09/2020 19:23

Don't underestimate the value of his pension...

StuckInPollyannaMode · 06/09/2020 19:50

I’d aim to buy. I’ll really struggle though due to my income. And company hasn’t been going for 3 years so I think that would rule me out of getting a mortgage.

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StuckInPollyannaMode · 06/09/2020 19:51

Would he have to release the pension value to me now?

Sorry, I think I need a checklist! He asked me today if I had a grand plan. Sadly not...

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RandomMess · 06/09/2020 19:59

Yes potentially he does have to give you the money now especially if the equivalent equity is in the marital home.

You could ask for a mesher order to stay in the house for x years until you can buy on your own.

How much equity is in the current house? Could you afford the mortgage on your own?

tribpot · 06/09/2020 20:12

He says he’s sensing a lot of hostility from me
Good job he's not reading this thread, or he'd 'sense' a shit load more hostility. Why on earth shouldn't you be hostile?

He wants to try again
Of course he does, because that retains the status quo for him, and his benefit. His last proposal was laughable - do you honestly think your kids would be surprised to discover at the age of 18 that you weren't really together any more? They will have grown up seeing that as the model for their own relationships. Insane.

Time to consult with a solicitor about the financials, and then he can discuss that with your solicitor, rather than you.

SparklingLime · 06/09/2020 20:47

“God. The easy thing to do is to stay.”

Nope. You’re past that shit now, @StuckInPollyannaMode. You might be feeling a bit wobbly and lost today, but you’ve done the groundwork. Do get another solicitor recommendation and get the legal advice that will help you make your grand plan. Flowers

StuckInPollyannaMode · 06/09/2020 20:53

I can’t afford this house on my own. Mortgage is more than what I earn! I reckon we’ve got about £250k equity - that’s if we get a low price for it.

Anyway, the latest salvo from him is that apparently I’m having some kind of breakdown and it makes no financial sense to split. He wants to role play how Christmas Day would work in 2 versions, one with us staying together and the other with us separating.

But he is willing to talk about selling the house, so long as we buy somewhere together.

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ALLIS0N · 06/09/2020 21:01

If there’s 250K in the house there’s probably the same again in his pension.

RandomMess · 06/09/2020 21:03

I would say "these discussions need to be had with the counsellor"

He is expert in emotional manipulation isn't he...

CheshireCats · 07/09/2020 10:23

He wants to role play Christmas, he wants to buy another house with you....
But how are you responding- are you actually shutting down this nonsense or just mmm - ing alone without firmly telling him to stop? Eg: don't be silly, we are not role playing it, thousands of families successfully deal with this issue. Or: Are you listening to me? I've told you I want a divorce- of course I won't be buying another house with you. Tell him repeatedly, don't entertain this nonsense.

OhCaptain · 07/09/2020 11:53

He’s a fucking knob isn’t he? Role play Christmas!

I think you should role play being divorced.

Disfordarkchocolate · 07/09/2020 11:56

Role play two Christmases! Nearly as strange as the 'favourite Beatle' thread.

Has he decided persuading you to stay together is a work project?

comingintomyown · 07/09/2020 12:53

If you have made up your mind then stop entertaining these ridiculous conversations or conserve them in your mind for future use when the going gets a bit tough to recall why you are doing this. He really sounds very pompous and like he’s used to getting his own way with everything

updownroundandround · 07/09/2020 12:53

OP I hope you're telling him ''No, we will NOT be either buying or living in any place together''

Please don't muddy the waters by not being clear and concise about the future, because it's what he uses to turn you around and change your mind !

No bloody 'role play', no living together in another bloody house, NONE of it !

StuckInPollyannaMode · 07/09/2020 14:02

Fear not, I'm back in the groove today. Thanks for urging me forward all.

I've said repeatedly that my position has not changed, the discussions need to be about how it will work practically, and no I will not be buying another house with him because we are separating. That thousands of people deal with this without histrionics and that it only needs to be difficult and argumentative if he makes it so.

Role play being divorced Grin

Yes, I suspect he has made this into a work project. Funnily enough, my brother suggested inviting him to a conference call back in June with the title 'relationship restructure - must attend'...

In good news, I'm getting a pay rise. Which he doesn't know about. Will make all the difference month on month - an extra £200. Think I'll stash the cash for now... means I'll be able to afford to do this. If things carry on as they are I can have another one after Christmas. Which will make the whole thing so much easier.

What I need to figure out is what I want to happen re the children.

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updownroundandround · 07/09/2020 15:15

Smile, so glad to hear you're 'in the groove' again Grin

Just curious, how's he coping with doing all his own washing etc...........

Great news about the pay rise too !

What has 'H' said about getting a flat nearby ? (assuming he's still going for the ''parent of the year'' trophy Confused

Does he want to share kids 50/50, or will he be planning to be a weekend Dad ?

StuckInPollyannaMode · 07/09/2020 15:48

He's looking at a new build a few miles down the road... lots of 'I don't want to buy nearby if the children don't want to see me' bollocks.

Honestly, I'd never realised before how much he catastrophises (sp?) stuff.

Go into it negative and it will BE negative, FFS.

I've never known him be so domestic. He's cleaning bathrooms and doing ironing and changing beds. He even baked a cake yesterday, alongside the Sunday roast.

He had to do a COVID test this morning (part of the Imperial College thing) you'd have thought they'd asked him to chop off a limb. The FUSS. I did one a week ago and didn't even mention it to him.

He doesn't know I've got an estate agent coming round tomorrow.

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StuckInPollyannaMode · 07/09/2020 16:34

Oh my god. I've just had the misfortune to hear one of his work calls.

I'm married to a mansplaining, over-involved, RIDICULOUS man. I want to throttle him.

I'm married to David Brent, ladies and gentlemen.

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RandomMess · 07/09/2020 16:53

I would tell him he only needs a 2 bed seeing as though he isn't planning on having the girls 50:50

They can easily share until teen dramas set in at which point financially things will hopefully be different.

The fuss and drama he creates is all about keeping attention on him and his big importance in everything...

StuckInPollyannaMode · 07/09/2020 17:17

Breaking news from the front line...he wants to stop the counselling. After two sessions.

‘It’s all just money down the drain. I don’t see why it’s adding. We can sort this out ourselves’

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RandomMess · 07/09/2020 17:41

Does he mean sort out the marriage or the divorce???

StuckInPollyannaMode · 07/09/2020 19:47

Good point. I don’t know. I’m so cross with him tonight for being so bloody irritating that I’ve hidden myself away to play cards with a stiff gin.

He’s driving me up the wall.

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RandomMess · 07/09/2020 19:51

It's is his same old usual, pays a bit of lip service and then does what he wants...

I really think this will be casting new light on why his first marriage ended despite what he told you and the shit storm regarding contacting with his DC.

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