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Ex sent me flowers

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famousforwrongreason · 11/08/2020 00:12

We've been split since before lockdown. He was a big liar, pure hedonist and all about his own instant gratification and a slippery, gaslighty so and so but was always really lovely to me, just a little bit of a cunt behind my back.

Anyway, this time last year I was involved in something really traumatising. He was completely unsupportive, I was very ill with ptsd / cptsd and a big part of the illness was because of his deceitful and downright selfish behaviour at the time I needed him and he was away with an ex: in a group of women about which he'd been absolutely silent prior to going, I had no idea about the group he was with nor the ex. not the first time this had happened but last time was a different ex. He even had the audacity to tell me afterwards that he'd been wondering beforehand whether there's still a spark between them...I found all this out whilst reeling from the traumatic event and it really hurt me.

From various bits of evidence, and things he let slip, I'm pretty sure that he was never faithful, even without that trip.

I clung to him after the trauma because I was not in my right mind and needed him around. Of course, his presence actually made it worse.
In our final weeks together, more and more stuff came out and in the end I found the strength to end it.
I was heartbroken, mainly due to the deception and the loss of the good stuff we had and of course wondering if it was all a lie and torturing myself with ruminating on what he'd been up to.

Anyway... We kept arguing about it as he was adamant it was all my issue and because of the ptsd, so after fruitlessly trying to get him to see my point Hmm I blocked him and then he'd find another way to contact me until I'd blocked him on Al platforms.
then he wrote to me saying that I have commitment issues which is also the story he's telling mutual friends.
Fine, I don't really care have been over him for months he can say what he likes if it helps him to keep his ego afloat.

So, today I received a stunning bouquet through the post with a card basically acknowledging that this is the anniversary of the traumatic event and suggesting that I must be having a difficult time. In actual fact I've been having a ball.
I'm pretty sure that he only remembered because the anniversary also coincides with the yearly trip he took with the ex.
I had acknowledged the anniversary to myself and gave myself a pat on the back for how I've found my way back to 'normality' after a horrible breakdown.
Difficult to say too much but the original event had repercussions which actually carried on into this year and I have changed beyond recognition as a person because of it and I am still feeling reverberation s despite being so much better and am awaiting further therapy. He always pops back up when I'm in a 'good place' and since hearing from him I've started to have anxiety butterflies / palpitations which I haven't had for a few months and am feeling quite vulnerable now.

His card was advising me that the past is gone and to let go, or some such crap.

He knows I'm a polite person and would be likely to acknowledge and thank him for the flowers but ii feel I've come a really long way and don't want to reopen the communication with him.
So really I probably don't even need to post this as I've answered my own question but curious to know whether any of you would respond?

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JulesCobb · 11/08/2020 00:14

No. Absolutely not. He wasnt lovely to you at all. He was an utter Wanker. Block him.

crosshatching · 11/08/2020 00:20

It's great you were able to dust yourself down and sounds like you're in a really good place. In your shoes I think I'd be happy to give the flowers to a neighbour or someone you know who might appreciate them and don't acknowledge him.
Then congratulate yourself again on getting a waste of your time and energy out of your life and focus back on your own lovely self. All power to you and sending Wine not more Flowers.

WinterAndRoughWeather · 11/08/2020 00:21

Nope, cut him out. I have someone like this in my past and he absolutely loves to try to reel me back into his world with grand gestures like this. He’s a loon. Ignoring him is the only way, any other response gratifies him.

Candyfloss99 · 11/08/2020 00:24

Definitely don't acknowledge them at all.

queenofthemadhouseyouknow · 11/08/2020 00:25

Throw those flowers in the bin. Chop their heads off first. Honestly. They might be beautiful but fuck him. They're a reminder of a piece of your past that has no place in your present.

Bin those weeds and burn the card and keep on walking forward. You've come so far. Keep going x

heartache590 · 11/08/2020 00:28

A simple 'thanks' is all that is needed.
Sending someone flowers can just be a good gesture and taken at face value. The fact you are posting about it means you are giving this way more thought than necessary.

RantyAnty · 11/08/2020 00:32

No response at all as that is all these manipulators need to try to come back and mess with you more. Look up hoovering.

famousforwrongreason · 11/08/2020 00:37

Thanks everyone for saying what I was thinking! Yes I have come a huge step forward, even whilst working and single parenting through a pandemic!
And cheers @crosshatching Wine
Really good idea re getting rid. I won't waste them but I have lots of lovely friends who'd appreciate them I'm sure.

@heartache590 I'm bound to give it some thought, this guy is directly related to a traumatising incident for which I'm still trying to recover and awaiting further treatment. I'd blocked him months ago, turned him away from the doorstep when he did a surprise visit and no contact since.
It's bound to have an impact the flowers arriving out of the blue, hence his sending them.

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famousforwrongreason · 11/08/2020 00:44

@RantyAnty

No response at all as that is all these manipulators need to try to come back and mess with you more. Look up hoovering.
Amazing @RantyAnty just googled and it's spot on. Wonder if that's partly why he has all his exes still eating out of his hand? Great article, rings so many bells lonerwolf.com/hoovering/ So good to have a place like this for advice and to bounce thoughts around.
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WinterAndRoughWeather · 11/08/2020 00:44

Yeah he’s trying to suck you back in, don’t even acknowledge them and ignore all attempts to contact you. Ugh, what a twat.

famousforwrongreason · 11/08/2020 00:58

@WinterAndRoughWeather

Yeah he’s trying to suck you back in, don’t even acknowledge them and ignore all attempts to contact you. Ugh, what a twat.
Haha, yes absolute twat. He knows that I will feel a bit mean if I don’t respond. I am going to try not to dwell on it, because of the way he was with exe it makes me wonder if he does all this ‘hoovering’ with his exes. He’s very much seen as Mr nice guy, and declares it often. Some friends still think I was too hard on him. I haven’t even written the half of it on here!
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PigglyWigglyWoo · 11/08/2020 01:01

Keep the flowers if they won’t bring extra pain or give them to someone else but do NOT acknowledge him in any way

WinterAndRoughWeather · 11/08/2020 01:05

I’m sure he does do it with the exes, poor them.

He hasn’t done this out of kindness, so there’s no need to feel mean. You haven’t told us the half of it, yet we can see instantly what the deal is here - that should tell you something.

These men enjoy messing with women’s heads. I think there’s a lot of misogyny in this behaviour - they think they’re more intelligent than all women. Being able to manipulate them is proof in their minds.

The man I know is like that - he thinks he’s brilliant, but he’s actually an idiot.

MrsTerryPratchett · 11/08/2020 03:50

He knows that I will feel a bit mean if I don’t respond.

Well now is the time to rewrite your script, isn't it? I'd go to a lovely graveyard and find a very old grave which is forgotten and put them there. And buy myself a lovely bunch of 5 quid flowers from a supermarket.

Fuck him and his Trojan flowers.

category12 · 11/08/2020 06:39

That's the thing tho, you've no reason to feel "mean" for not responding to a gesture that you didn't ask for and don't need, that isn't well-placed or appropriate, and isn't sincere or well-meant.

Women are basically trained to feel bad if they don't respond to a man's attention, but it's bollocks. Chuck them in the bin, give them to a neighbour or colleague, jump up and down on them.

SomethingLessBoringInstead · 11/08/2020 07:27

Yeah, you already know it, but everyone else is right.

I wouldn't reply either. I saw a similar thread recently where an ex kept sending unwanted gifts. Everyone said the same as they're saying here, as it was a complete disregard of the poster's wishes, made her uncomfortable and was overstepping over boundaries, and yet there were still people advising her to reply thanking him for the lovely gifts and the kind gesture! The drive to be nice and polite is strong in some women!!

Its completely unnecessary. It's not a kind gesture, it's a manipulation. You don't need, seek or desire communication from him. So just ignore it. It's not impolite to ignore unwanted communication.

It's that whole 'no response is a response' thing. As someone else said, he hasn't done this out of kindness.

famousforwrongreason · 11/08/2020 08:16

Fuck him and his Trojan flowers.
I love this. I knew anyway but I'm so glad I came on here for the reinforcement, I only told a couple of friends irl, absolute 50/50 split!
I love the grave idea, there's a churchyard really nearby.
Also.. Every time he communicates with me he inadvertently reinforces it anyway, when he dropped round unexpectedly he was bragging about something which was a real bone of contention for me and I think if he hadnt said it I might well have let him in and ended up shagging him. This time, the flowers are absolutely beautiful, exactly my style, quite an outre arrangement but... the message in the card was pretty much a command, the past no longer exists, some crap about their aroma clearing my mind or something and it felt just like all his other gaslighting.
Possibly if he'd just sent the flowers and a more generic message or even an overdue apology, I might have been more receptive and tempted to respond.

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famousforwrongreason · 11/08/2020 08:20

as it was a complete disregard of the poster's wishes. Exactly. He paints himself as such a reasonable, affable guy full of bonhomie, nobody who knows him would see the hidden nuances. Knowing people the way I do, the fact that I'd asked him more than once not to contact me again would be churlish to mention now as everyone knows that last year was a hideous time and would be thinking how good of him to acknowledge it despite the fact that I dumped him for spurious reasons and supposedly broken his heart.

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KeepingPlain · 11/08/2020 08:26

Dear God no do not reply. He's a complete asshole. Keep them if you like them but definitely do not reply. If anyone asks who they are from, just say a date you went on.

Dery · 11/08/2020 08:37

Sorry to hear you’ve been through so much, OP, but it sounds like you’re doing really well now.

This man thinks very highly of himself but he is clearly a bastard. Being able to charm people is a very different thing from actually being a kind, caring, decent person. He isn’t that.

The reasons for sending you the flowers are all about him and trying to drag you back in, as other people have said. It sounds like it’s a new experience for him to have a woman shut him out even though he thoroughly deserves it and it’s a shame past girlfriends haven’t done the same. It’s great to hear that you’re not going to fall for his tricks and you’re going to keep him shut out. And that includes not acknowledging the flowers in anyway. Not even a thank you. You don’t want to hear from him and you don’t want his flowers because you really do not want to think about him at all ever again. The flowers are an unwelcome intrusion on your existence and show that he has no respect for you or your boundaries. So no - you don’t thank him for them.

Wishing you all the best with your ongoing recovery from the trauma you’ve been through. Onwards and upwards!

PicsInRed · 11/08/2020 08:40

He's hoovering up a storm.

Bin the flowers. Block on everything.

Opentooffers · 11/08/2020 09:04

Nope, seems he's collecting ex's. No wonder they end up going away with him on trips, he's hard to get rid of. Better to ignore his stalking behaviour as any attention, good or bad, is still going to massage his ego. He should take his own advice and let go of his own pasts, let go of the ex's.
He's shown that his needs trump all others and is quite willing to feed off others to make himself feel better - disgusting, twisted, manipulative behaviour.

Sakurami · 11/08/2020 10:14

Seriously bin the flowers and anything else you get from him, put them straight in the bin without opening. He wants to hurt you and is playing with you and your feelings. He will never be happy and keeps toying with everyone.

My ex MIL (narc) after a few years of blanking me and not letting me go in her house started sending me cards and flowers (because I hadn't reacted to her not allowing me in her house - I was happy not to have to go) and they just went straight in the bin.

Year2020 · 11/08/2020 10:22

OP, listen to the advice. They are all good. Bin the flowers, do not read the note again, bin that too. He is a master manipulator. You have come so far, why would you turn to go back to drama.

Keep walking forward and don't look back

famousforwrongreason · 11/08/2020 10:57

Thanks guys, definitely won't reply. So funny to the poster who said He should take his own advice and let go of his own pasts, let go of the ex's. wish I could respond just to say that but don't worry I won't. When we first met he told me that these two particular exes (both his most recent) were really good friends of his, mainly one of them who lived nearby to him. He told me that they split because she was super demanding and jealous of his time.
When we were a new couple he was still meeting her at least weekly for dinner as he was (ostensibly) doing her 'a favour' which lasted the duration of our relationship & the weekly dinners were repayment of the favour .
They were in constant contact and regular meet ups, phone calls and coffees. These two exes had overlapped after his marriage breakdown and it seems he'd gone back and forth between them over the course of a couple of years. Despite them being such an 'important part of his life' I never got to meet them.
I felt as though I was being a mad banshee if I got jealous or insecure, because it's seemingly more mature and cool to be friends with exes so I didn't complain apart from when I found out about the secret trips which either slipped his mind, weren't important or he didn't know how to tell me (different answer each time) .
I honestly felt I was being controlling which is partly why he got away with it for so long, we both went with the theory that my mental health was the problem .
Then a THIRD ex starting cropping up quite frequently, a fling from just before we got together.
Interestingly these were all much hotter, younger and fitter women. The mothers of his children and ex wives were much more our age and more like me and funny enough he didn't seem to have the same fascination with them or compulsion to constantly support them or meet them or be in regular contact Hmm

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