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Abandoned in your fifties?

225 replies

Mycatandme · 09/08/2020 20:31

I’ve been divorced for a few years and last year I met a new DP. We are both in our mid fifties with now grown up children. We want to make a proper life together but his XW is so angry and bitter about ‘being abandoned’ that I’m not sure we will be able to. Will this ever get better?

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Mycatandme · 11/08/2020 18:23

Thank you all for your comments, yes probably too soon for a relationship and I think this is biggest problem. If it stays like it is I’m not likely to stay around. I’ll set a timescale.

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Mycatandme · 11/08/2020 18:29

@MaybeDoctor there are very many women in their fifties who have had very successful careers in all professions and in business and most of the ones I know also have children.

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Sssloou · 11/08/2020 18:46

there are very many women in their fifties who have had very successful careers in all professions and in business and most of the ones I know also have children.

Meow.

Just as well she kept the home fires burning them because even with that he was unable to hold down his high paid stressful job.

FatalDistraction · 11/08/2020 18:49

My DH threatened to leave me a few times last year for no good reason. According to him I was a fabulous wife and mother and he had no regrets from our marriage. However, he wanted to move on. He hasn't and he is still here.

At the time he thought he was going to walk free, pay me a bit of money (the bare minimum that the law said) and see DC EOW. He thought we could be friends. I, on the other hand said no, we were not going to be friends, I would speak to him only to discuss the DC and that he wasn't walking free and would be doing his fair share of the childcare. I also told him that when he left, we wouldn't be friends. He would be a cad, a loser who left his family for no good reason and he would be that arsehole who I used to be married to and would be treated accordingly.

Why should your DP live a single life when his ex is carrying all the load?

FatalDistraction · 11/08/2020 18:55

Ill happily "move over" at 50.

Just a few more things to pay off and a bit more money to save and I'll happily move over too. I am not taking care of his vile parents. The very thought of him with someone else is not a problem either. I'd fell sorry for the poor bitch honestly. He would owe me a lot of money and I'd quite happily be single, have my own money in a much smaller house and not even bother with blokes ever again.

JustMeThisTime · 11/08/2020 19:09

What a terribly depressing thread. So if I'm not over my long marriage in 15 months I can look forward to being judged for everything I've ever done, or not done, for the whole of my marriage, (in fact why not just the whole of my life) by someone who's going out with my ex husband and doesn't even know me.

Yeah, this makes me depressed. The lack of empathy is as clear as the presence of judgement.

billy1966 · 11/08/2020 19:17

@FatalDistraction

Ill happily "move over" at 50.

Just a few more things to pay off and a bit more money to save and I'll happily move over too. I am not taking care of his vile parents. The very thought of him with someone else is not a problem either. I'd fell sorry for the poor bitch honestly. He would owe me a lot of money and I'd quite happily be single, have my own money in a much smaller house and not even bother with blokes ever again.

👏good for you! If I saw vile in laws being foisted on me I would bail too.

No bloody way would I be stepping up and looking after a partners awful parents.

That would be his sole responsibility.

I remember a poster who was widowed and being contacted by her ex BIL's, expecting HER to move and mind THEIR mother....how she laughed.....her story made me laugh.

The cheek of some men.

It would take a great husband and great in laws before I would contemplate this.

BeChuille · 11/08/2020 19:37

[quote Mycatandme]@MaybeDoctor there are very many women in their fifties who have had very successful careers in all professions and in business and most of the ones I know also have children.[/quote]
I deal with people who are retiring. My job has to do with pensions. And time and time again, the women with the fabulous incomes are not married and have no children.

Some women manage to ''have it all'' but if there is one thing you need in order to have it all, it's a husband who wouldn't dream of not doing half. They are few and far between.

MaybeDoctor · 11/08/2020 20:03

[quote Mycatandme]@MaybeDoctor there are very many women in their fifties who have had very successful careers in all professions and in business and most of the ones I know also have children.[/quote]
Yes - there are. Women in their fifties today might have teenagers or even ten-year-olds, so many would have benefitted from the vast investment in the childcare sector that took place from year 2000 onwards. Or they might have gone back to work later, had family childcare, or the money to pay a nanny. But it doesn't prove that this woman could have done or should have done so, because the higher quality childcare infrastructure that we have today was simply not universal when her children were babies and toddlers.

If she has adult children who were born in 1994 and 1996, say.

In 1997:

Maternity leave was very short - 18 weeks of paid leave was introduced in 1999

Free nursery hours for three and four year olds was still just a Labour manifesto promise. Many schools didn't even run Reception classes Shock.

Day nurseries were lightly regulated and no specific qualifications were legally required to work there.

Ofsted was yet to begin inspecting early years provision - this didn't happen until 2001.

Playgroups were often run by mothers on a voluntary basis, with no paid staff.

As I said upthread, provision varied from area to area. Just because one family was able to access good childcare in the 1990s doesn't mean that everyone was able to do so.

Pacif1cDogwood · 11/08/2020 22:05

I am 54.
I have 4 DCs, the youngest is 10.
Thank the fucking stars I have a career that allows me to support all of us without the need of H's income.

I AM left with a huge mortgage as I went along with financial decisions for 25 years that I was deeply uncomfortable with because I was in it for the longterm.
Except I wasn't. Or at least HE wasn't. Although he did not have the integrity or honestly to let me in on that fact.
Expensive cars, high end HiFi, frigging boats!! were bought and none of this expenditure will be part of our separation. But I do have a pension and equity in our house. After one whole year of not sleeping for financial worries, I can now see a way forward.

I will be fine. And actually I am fine, more by happenstance and good luck and my parents' insistence that I should be allowed a university education just like my brother 'even though' I was a girl.

Do NOT dare to presume that you have any idea what the XW if going through. You just don't.
I had no idea what I would be going through before I had to live through it.

I think you've reached a fairly good conclusion that you need to cool it and let your P's complicated family life and emotions play out whichever way they will play out. V best of luck to you Thanks

BeChuille · 11/08/2020 22:17

Yeh, that is the real picture. Not piling on to the OP, as dating is hard, never met anybody I wanted to wanted me. Zero overlap!

But it's unfair to say that a recently left wife wants to maintain a ''lifestyle''. That's so dismissive.

When you're in a couple you're always making sacrifices decisions that are for the good of the family unit.

Mycatandme · 11/08/2020 23:01

@Pacif1cDogwood your story is incredibly similar to mine, keep on fighting back. It took me a couple of years to get things straight for me and my children. I went to counselling on my own and forgave him and moved on from the pain he put me through. I did it so that my daughters and my sons could move on too and know that any life event can involve non warring parents. Life can be but you can make the best of it Flowers back.

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Mycatandme · 11/08/2020 23:09

@BeChuille I’ve never done old so I’m sorry to hear that but keep trying. I never planned for a life with a new DP, completely unexpected so if it doesn’t work I’ll stick with my cats and hobbies and Wine

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Mycatandme · 11/08/2020 23:27

@MaybeDoctor if you wanted a career from the 1980s it has been possible though more difficult during the early childcare years. Quite a few people changed careers or retrained along the way once children at school. People are not forced to do one thing or another they make their choices in life.

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BeChuille · 11/08/2020 23:41

Thanks, for me, the happy ever after was to realise im happy on my own

MaybeDoctor · 12/08/2020 08:34

I understand that you are committed to this point, but the statistics for women's employment do show evidence of significant social change between the 1990s and today:

ONS - on women aged 16-64 in the labour market

'The rise in women in employment is partly due to an increase in the percentage of mothers in work. In 1996 (when comparable records began), 67% of married or cohabiting mothers with dependent children were in work and by 2013 this had increased to 72%. There has also been an increase in the lone mother’s employment rate from 43% to 60% over the same period. As more women have entered employment there has been a fall in those inactive, which are those who are either not looking for work or not available to work, for example looking after the family. The percentage of women who were inactive gradually fell over the past 40 years to a low of 28% of women aged 16 to 64 in 2013.'

www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/articles/womeninthelabourmarket/2013-09-25

Anyway, I think it would be quite interesting to probe a bit the next time your partner says that his wife 'should have worked'.

Where should she have worked? What job would she have been able to do? Was there a nursery/after school/holiday club available? Would he have been around to support with childcare?

If he fobs you off by saying 'Oh we would have worked something out' it's a fairly clear sign that he was either a) aware of barriers to her working or b) happy enough for her to not work at the time and is now just trying to re-write history.

Mycatandme · 12/08/2020 17:58

@MaybeDoctor - you’ve clearly done a lot of research in this area which is interesting. For women like me (and DP’s XW) who were lucky enough to go to university in the 1980s and gain professional qualifications there have always been jobs. Returning to her specific profession would have been quite straightforward - I have a family member who did just that in sane field. I accept that the truth of their dispute may be in the grey area and not the black or white but I also know that this was a huge issue for DP whether it was justified or not. In recent years I have found my friends who have always worked or those who returned at some point after children have on the whole been able to cope far better with what life has thrown at them like DHs who have been too ill to work, died or divorced. Anyway whether she chose to qualify in her profession then leave the workplace for over 25 years or whether she has been forced into staying at home by her XH is something only they really know. The comments on this thread have given me a good insight into how she is feeling. I know it won’t get much better now so I’ll just give it a little
more time and definitely no living together.

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BeChuille · 12/08/2020 18:10

Unless you have A Profession, it is definitely not straight forward returning to work on a half way decent salary after a break to mind children. Employers do not care if a "mum returner" went to college to do english and art history 25 years ago.

I really struggled to get back in to w9rkplace. My experiences are typical.

Mycatandme · 12/08/2020 18:27

@BeChuille I do agree with you, that is often how it is.

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Sssloou · 12/08/2020 18:40

He had a highly paid stressful job and his health suffered a great deal,

She couldn’t be in two places at once though could she. Looks like she chose to support his professional career and sacrificed her own by running the house and raising the kids. Quite possibly his highly paid stressful job wouldn’t have even got off the ground without her support.

Snooper22 · 12/08/2020 18:45

I've been through my partners divorce after his long marriage and it was hell. His XW lied about everything to take him to the cleaners. He left her because she didn't want him there but didn't want to give up her lifestyle. Luckily she cut all contact after the divorce was finalised. The judge awarded 50/50, my partner has been able to carry on working in a stressful job whilst she leads a stressfree life abroad. I believe she's happy now.

Notcoolmum · 12/08/2020 18:58

@Mycatandme you do sound very cold and dismissive of his ex's predicament. She didn't go back to work because they will have agreed this as a couple. She will have assumed that by being the home maker, and facilitating his career by doing such, that the family income would support them both through to retirement and beyond. I imagine she also had hopes and wishes of a retirement spent with her husband and family beyond the financial. And as that time approaches he ends the marriage and takes up a new partner remarkably quickly. I don't see how anyone can process a 20+ year relationship ending in a few months.

You also say you thought taking up with a divorced man with older children would be straightforward only he can't have been divorced when you met him. 3 months after he left his wife?

I've never been in her situation. I'm the higher earner. Been on my own for 14 years and never received any maintenance. But I still have empathy with the position his ex wife finds herself in. Which you don't seem to be able to do.

One thing I've learned in life is that there are always two sides to every story and the truth isn't always the version you are being told.

I agree that being bitter will get her nowhere but I do understand her feeling so upset that her life as she imagined it has been taken from her. And it must feel unfair to her that you get to walk in and pick it up. Not saying that's the case. But I understand it's how she might feel.

I wouldn't get involved with a man 3 months out of a marriage. I used to think separated was ok but after my last relationship I think it's cleaner if they are divorced before starting a relationship. In her shoes I would assume you were the OW due to the speed of your relationship starting.

Mycatandme · 12/08/2020 20:01

@Notcoolmum I take your points but I’m not being precise enough in my posts. Three months after he moved into the house he bought for himself after selling marital home where he stayed until everything was agreed. Yes I guess right to end she may have thought she could turn things around. He didn’t just pack a suitcase and leave a note, this was a long painful departure.

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Mycatandme · 12/08/2020 20:06

@Notcoolmum we met doing a hobby he was only able to take up again after he left.

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Notcoolmum · 13/08/2020 06:54

Is he divorced @Mycatandme and if so he lived with her until the divorce was finalised? That's a very unusual situation and can only have added to his ex's distress.

It's also her financial situation you are dismissive of. You seem to think because you are ok she should be too.

As his children are adults and his relationship will have been established with them before the split, if they are refusing to see him I would say that is indicative of their relationship. They have their own homes and lives so could easily have a relationship with their dad outside that they have with their mum.

I don't think you have done anything wrong other than get into a relationship with someone very soon after the breakdown of his marriage. But you do seem to be very quick to believe his version of events and look down on his ex.

I've been with my BF for the same amount of time as you. It still feels very new and that we are getting to know each other. He feels a long way from being my partner. How does his ex impact on your relationship? I assume she's not coming round to your house and causing you problems? If his kids see you as serious and lasting I'm sure they will meet you. But I can understand her current very real hurt at the idea her husband might attend their children's wedding with another woman. I imagine the hurt will subside and she may meet someone herself, but it wouldn't hurt to understand her feelings and have some empathy.