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Best Way To Handle College Age Daughter

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RetiredDad · 19/07/2020 20:35

Hello. I'm new to this. A little about myself. I'm a recently (April 2020) retired Police Officer. I'm also getting back together with my wife. We divorced after 25 years of marriage. We have been divorced for 5 years and in November of 2019 we decided that I would move back in the house. This unfortunate pandemic served more of a test to see if we are really able to work through the previous issues that ended our marriage in the first place. I have to say that so far it is working. We still love each other very much and we are able to work out our previous problems (also thanks to a quality marriage counselor that doesn't take sides but in fact remains neutral!). The only real problem we are still having is with our College age daughter. Listening to us and using common sense is something our daughter doesn't seem to want to do. She always has to do things uphill and backwards (because she is in her "feelings"). This causes my wife and I to butt heads on solutions. My stance is since she is an adult AND when my wife and I were her age we were already in our careers (my wife is an R.N.) When we had our problems we had to come up with the answers not fall back on our parents to help us or bail us out. I know I'm a little old school with my thinking, but I have tried to keep my antiquated opinions to myself and come up with a practical solution with my wife. I can't seem to do right here with this topic because either my wife says I'm too harsh or I don't offer enough input to help. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

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RetiredDad · 20/07/2020 07:37

@FootInBothShoes

Not everyone measures success by how much money they make...
Yes the first group is rich and the second group are just doing the best they can do with what they've got. Money shouldn't have the importance it has in society but the reality is IT DOES....
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FootInBothShoes · 20/07/2020 07:47

Interesting that, in everything I've said, that is the post you chose to respond to...

For some people, contentment, relationships and love are their measures of success. Not the size of their house or their holiday destinations.

FootInBothShoes · 20/07/2020 07:47

*quality of their relationships

Treacletoots · 20/07/2020 07:57

Have a long hard think here OP. What do you want?

Do you want a relationship with your daughter that is mutually respectful, kind and supportive or do you want a daughter who does what you tell her to do.

I have a mother just like you. When I skipped college to go shopping just once, she 'cut me off', when I disagreed with her she would hit me with a stick, she kicked me.out when I was 15 and told social services that I had made that choice and was welcome (so I had to come grovelling back to her). She would continually test me by asking me to do things and if I didn't immediately run and do it, she would use it as a reason to explode and abuse me.

What I'm describing is a complete controlling narcissist. I haven't spoken to her for over 10 years and I have no intention of changing that. My life has improved massively since I came out of the FOG (fear obligation guilt) cycle.

She has never met her granddaughter, she was not invited to my wedding and I have no intention of speaking to her ever again. (We did give her the opportunity shortly after DD was born but guess what, her first response was to send an apology that ended in abuse, so it shows, she is unable to change)

What do you want OP. All your posts seem to simply talk about yourself. Try stepping out of your box, what do you want and how do you achieve that. The simpler answer is, ask yourself how should someone speak or treat you if they wanted the same - and then put that into practise.

The college, the boyfriend, the weed, they're LL distractions from the larger issue here. You don't know how to communicate because you don't know how to listen. My exH thought that being supportive 'in his head' with his thoughts were enough. He didn't understand that actions are required. But then he was an immature selfish spoilt dickhead who also, will likely stay that way.

The fact you've posted on here shows you are trying to change things. Time to realise that it's not your daughter who needs to change, it's you.

DazzleCamouflage · 20/07/2020 08:06

I really want her to be successful because the reality is (other than paying more taxes) your quality of life here or any part of the world depends on the amount of money you make. It dictates everything from your health care to the home you live in to the car you drive to where you take the family for vacation. Being in the middle means your paying taxes for everyone making less than you to continue to be sold a bill of goods not to better themselves, and everyone above continue to make their pockets fatter because their taxes have already been paid by everyone who works for them. Everything is tied to that piece of parchment you go into debt paying for. I WANT BETTER FOR MY DAUGHTER!!!

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the American Dream, in all its tunnel-visioned, materialistic, suburban, drag yourself up by your bootstraps, 'success-driven' charmlessness. Why would your daughter want to sign up to such a limited and joyless vision of life?

Anjd forgive me, OP, but as you said earlier that being a policeman in the US requires two years of college (presumably an associate's degree/the equivalent of freshman and sophomore years), hasn't your daughter already gone further than you educationally?

some recreationational pothead who can't reach the fucking faucet in the bathroom

There you go again. Do you for some reason have an issue with the fact that your daughter is seeing a short man? Is it a problem because she can 'do better'?

RetiredDad · 20/07/2020 08:07

@FootInBothShoes

Interesting that, in everything I've said, that is the post you chose to respond to...

For some people, contentment, relationships and love are their measures of success. Not the size of their house or their holiday destinations.

I had read everything you said, I have been beaten up pretty badly here but I expected it. My style of parenting is antiquated at best and I really didn't have a job where I was surrounded by happily married people (the divorce rates in my old job are in upwards of 65-70 percent). I can relate to your parents. They wanted the best for you but even though you turned out successful it wasn't the way they planned. I didn't follow my parents lead either (they never divorced) I'm the oldest of 4 children and I was the one who divorced. To them I crashed and burned even though I stayed married for 25 years. They never gave me any advice because my marriage problems were mine and I don't run home when things get tough. I deal with it the best I can. It didn't work out like It should have so now I have to start all over and do better. I will put a plan in place on how I should talk to my daughter. Right now my wife will take the lead and I will say little for the sake of keeping the peace.
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LunaFabre · 20/07/2020 08:11

I don’t understand this place sometimes. Who wouldn’t be frustrated if they forked out $45k a year after their child passed on a free scholarship, only for them to drop out in their 3rd year?

Then the OP is told he’s “not very smart” and berated for not seeing his daughter as a “sexual being.” Confused

Aerial2020 · 20/07/2020 08:12

Why did you get divorced?

RetiredDad · 20/07/2020 08:14

@DazzleCamouflage

I really want her to be successful because the reality is (other than paying more taxes) your quality of life here or any part of the world depends on the amount of money you make. It dictates everything from your health care to the home you live in to the car you drive to where you take the family for vacation. Being in the middle means your paying taxes for everyone making less than you to continue to be sold a bill of goods not to better themselves, and everyone above continue to make their pockets fatter because their taxes have already been paid by everyone who works for them. Everything is tied to that piece of parchment you go into debt paying for. I WANT BETTER FOR MY DAUGHTER!!!

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the American Dream, in all its tunnel-visioned, materialistic, suburban, drag yourself up by your bootstraps, 'success-driven' charmlessness. Why would your daughter want to sign up to such a limited and joyless vision of life?

Anjd forgive me, OP, but as you said earlier that being a policeman in the US requires two years of college (presumably an associate's degree/the equivalent of freshman and sophomore years), hasn't your daughter already gone further than you educationally?

some recreationational pothead who can't reach the fucking faucet in the bathroom

There you go again. Do you for some reason have an issue with the fact that your daughter is seeing a short man? Is it a problem because she can 'do better'?

The NYPD requires 2 years of College. That's where I worked for 32 years.
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Allnamesaregone · 20/07/2020 08:21

The problem is that you have an expectation that then she come to you for advice she will take it.
You’re missing the point that she is an adult and is free to accept or reject that advice. It’s part of the learning process of standing on your own two feet. Mistakes will be made. It will be painful for her. It’s how we grow, and the routdd Ed to an endpoint is not always a straight line.
The worst thing you can say is “I told you so”.
Usually the phrase “Have you thought about what to do now?” allows for some independent thinking.

Allnamesaregone · 20/07/2020 08:24

No edit function!! Too many typos in my post but you get the drift.

RetiredDad · 20/07/2020 08:24

@Aerial2020

Why did you get divorced?
Short story we had drifted apart (I never cheated, spoke down to her, or put my hands on her.) She f**ked someone at her job thus justifying it because I had stopped the positive compliments, flowers just because, etc. Our lives were paying bills and not much else. I supported her going back to school and she got her MBA but then things fell apart. Before I knew it I was handed divorce papers and the rest is history.
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Livingoffcoffee · 20/07/2020 08:26

The NYPD requires 2 years of College. That's where I worked for 32 years.

And Dazzle's point is your daughter has done 3 years of college, so has already "done better" than you educationally.

I am American too, and know this attitude well. I get it - you want your daughter to have a good life. A better life than you. Which is admiral, in itself. The problem is that you have tunnel vision as to what "better life" means. And the more you push your view on your DD, the more she will run away.

You need to understand that not everyone wants to have the big house and 6/7 figure salary. That doesn't mean they haven't succeeded, if they are happy and healthy. Or she may need a few years and end up going back to college, when she's ready to.

For the sake of your relationship with your daughter (and your wife), please put the cop attitude to the side and focus on being a dad. You don't need to problem solve for her. You need to listen and support her. Let her make her own mistakes. And then listen to her some more.

RetiredDad · 20/07/2020 08:28

@LunaFabre

I don’t understand this place sometimes. Who wouldn’t be frustrated if they forked out $45k a year after their child passed on a free scholarship, only for them to drop out in their 3rd year?

Then the OP is told he’s “not very smart” and berated for not seeing his daughter as a “sexual being.” Confused

Thank you. I get why I am getting the hostility, but some of the other observations I don't quite understand.
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Destroyedpeople · 20/07/2020 08:30

Sorry but dad's who can't bear the thought of their ADULT DAUGHTERS having a sex life are just weird. What's their problem?

Livingoffcoffee · 20/07/2020 08:36

@RetiredDad I'm not sure if I've missed it, but what was she studying at college? What job has she gotten now?

RetiredDad · 20/07/2020 08:37

@Destroyedpeople

Sorry but dad's who can't bear the thought of their ADULT DAUGHTERS having a sex life are just weird. What's their problem?
Its not about bearing the thought of my adult daughter's sex life. Its about respecting your Parent's home and their rules. If she were married I wouldn't care. This can't be that foreign. We will just have to agree to disagree on this.
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RetiredDad · 20/07/2020 08:40

[quote Livingoffcoffee]@RetiredDad I'm not sure if I've missed it, but what was she studying at college? What job has she gotten now? [/quote]
She was studying International Business with a concentration in health care. She is currently a manager at an Ice Cream Shop.

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Aerial2020 · 20/07/2020 08:42

Sounds like she is trying to live her life the way she wants. It's not the life you have planned for her (inc the 45k for her education) and you are struggling with that.
She is asking for advice because she is young and you are her dad but also as a young adult she can go against that advice if she wishes.
Maybe you are seeing this as her rebelling or something. You didn't have to pay the 45k, that shouldn't be something to use against her. You wanted to do that. You can't control what she does with her life. Even through money.
Step back. Leave her alone. She can choose whatever boyfriend she wants.
Stop comparing yourself against her. Let her go and she will come.back. Suffocate her with your authority and she will stay far away from you.

Destroyedpeople · 20/07/2020 08:43

No my mother thought the same. She was born in 1933.

DazzleCamouflage · 20/07/2020 08:45

Short story we had drifted apart (I never cheated, spoke down to her, or put my hands on her.) She fked someone at her job thus justifying it because I had stopped the positive compliments, flowers just because, etc. Our lives were paying bills and not much else. I supported her going back to school and she got her MBA but then things fell apart. Before I knew it I was handed divorce papers and the rest is history.

Has your 'quality marriage counsellor' not suggested that you might benefit from reflecting on the ways in which you might have contributed to the marriage breaking down? Because all I'm hearing here is you insisting that you're a nice guy who never put a foot wrong, who supported his wife through an MBA and his daughter through three years of university, and now neither of them is listening to you and doing what you say.

Flyg · 20/07/2020 08:53

“She doesn’t follow it and then comes back crying”

You sound absolutely awful. You are making me grateful I don’t have a dictator and a bully for a father.

Your family home should be a safe base from which to launch daring missions. Not somewhere you get berated for mistakes and spoken to in such an unkind and insulting way. “If you took my advice like you took my money” Christ. That’s an absolutely horrible way to speak to her.

She’s got a job a boyfriend and a dog - there’s nothing bad there.

BertiesLanding · 20/07/2020 08:53

OP, I think part of the reason (just part, mind) that you're generally getting a hard time here is a cultural difference. The US is different. We like to think it isn't, but it is. I travel to the US a lot, and the way kids are raised, and values instilled, are generally not the same as they are here. I found parenting styles there to be far more authoritarian on the whole; far more 'christian' in emphasis. And, yes, unfortunately money is significantly more important because you don't live in a welfare state and your healthcare is extortionate.

Rather post on a US site.

Aerial2020 · 20/07/2020 08:55

I think in your posts you have used money to justify why you're a 'nice guy' instead of what a personality would be. People are nice in their personality and how they are. And they don't need to tell people

Not through money.
Paying for your wife, paying for your daughter. Maybe you feel like your daughter owes you. You want her to turn out differently because look at the money you've spent on her. And you can say to people, my daughter has a degree in so and so, look how successful she is and we are because I made that happen. What a great life she will have

Life and people don't work like that
She has to find her own way.
Maybe she will go back to college and do something else. Maybe she won't. But that's not really to you.

FootInBothShoes · 20/07/2020 08:56

Right now my wife will take the lead and I will say little for the sake of keeping the peace.

You need to say little because you are listening. Not because you are letting your wife take the lead or to keep the peace. You need to be actively involved with your daughter and respond with love and empathy rather than judgement and direction.

You still need to communicate with your daughter. You need to understand her.

Oh and I do understand the frustration of paying out the tuition fees and then her dropping out. I just didn't include that in my responses because, actually, I think that is part of the problem.

Of all the twentysomethings I know now (largely, but not entirely, through my son) there are some whose parents were able to fund their university fees upfront and supported them fully and others who took out full loans and worked throughout.

It's a bit of a broad brush but, in the main, the ones who have been most successful in their studies and the ones who didn't drop out and the ones who have 'grown up' more are the ones whose parents didn't pay for them (and also the ones who took a year out before going to university too tbf). It's part of the burgeoning adult experience.

Your daughter needs to make her own way and follow her own path in the world and you need to accept that the life she lives may look nothing like the life you saw for her when she was that tiny baby you brought home from hospital. That's because she's no longer than tiny baby but a fully functioning, independent human who has her own ideas about life - just as you do.

Reading between the lines of your response to me, I get the impression that you'd agree with my parents that I made 'wrong' choices. I'm actually pretty happy with the way my life turned out.

My parents didnt want what was best for me (me, the individual), they wanted what they thought would have been best for them if they had their time again. Much of their advice was driven by their own fears (much like yours is).

I'm not materialistic. My children and I have enough money for all the things we need and some of the things we want and that's all I've ever strived for financially. We spend time together, we laugh, we have fun, we are close and we love each other. I've never chased the ££££££.

It's not that you can't feel frustrated by your daughter's choices but you cannot expect her to live the life you want for her. She will make mistakes and she will fuck up. And sometimes, believe it or not, your advice won't always be either objectively right or right for her.

There is only really one decision in my life that I actually regret. One that has had a huge negative impact on my life and one that I will never be able to reverse and, interestingly, it was a decision of such significance that, on that occasion, I followed my parents advice to the letter. They believed they knew best; they believed their experience should provide the blueprint for my decision and they were wrong.