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Best Way To Handle College Age Daughter

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RetiredDad · 19/07/2020 20:35

Hello. I'm new to this. A little about myself. I'm a recently (April 2020) retired Police Officer. I'm also getting back together with my wife. We divorced after 25 years of marriage. We have been divorced for 5 years and in November of 2019 we decided that I would move back in the house. This unfortunate pandemic served more of a test to see if we are really able to work through the previous issues that ended our marriage in the first place. I have to say that so far it is working. We still love each other very much and we are able to work out our previous problems (also thanks to a quality marriage counselor that doesn't take sides but in fact remains neutral!). The only real problem we are still having is with our College age daughter. Listening to us and using common sense is something our daughter doesn't seem to want to do. She always has to do things uphill and backwards (because she is in her "feelings"). This causes my wife and I to butt heads on solutions. My stance is since she is an adult AND when my wife and I were her age we were already in our careers (my wife is an R.N.) When we had our problems we had to come up with the answers not fall back on our parents to help us or bail us out. I know I'm a little old school with my thinking, but I have tried to keep my antiquated opinions to myself and come up with a practical solution with my wife. I can't seem to do right here with this topic because either my wife says I'm too harsh or I don't offer enough input to help. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

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birthdaybelle · 20/07/2020 06:23

In response to your question "how many times am I supposed to watch her fail and then support her/ pick up the pieces?" - a countless, endless, never ending amount of times is the answer.

How do you know she isn't listening to your advice? What you mean is she's not obeying you. She may very well be listening but choosing to ignore. Which she is entitled to do.

As far as I can see, she's studying, she's in a committed relationship, a responsible pet owner (you dont mention that you're concerned about the dog's welfare?). So she needs some financial help every now and again. I have had financial support from my parents well in to my 30s which they were happy to provide despite the fact that my need was due to some questionable relationship choices and a baby at a young (your daughter's!) age.

RetiredDad · 20/07/2020 06:23

@Jeremyironsnothing

It is hard to stand by and watch your adult children make mistakes, but that is your job now. They have to learn from their own mistakes. You can advise, but at the end of the day you have to support their decisions and then be there for the inevitable tears.

It sounds as if she's struggling with her mental health tbh. So be supportive.

You sound quite disrespectful about her short boyfriend. Poor bloke. Have you considered your attitude to her choices and decisions may have contributed to her poor mental health? As had your divorce and actions?

I respected the young man up to the weed incident. Now I tolerate him. I warned him about the behavior. Do I really think it just stopped? No I'm a realist therefore I have to stop talking and observe. He screws up and she gets hurt because of any antics involving or directly related to smoking weed and he will have hell to pay. That said then my daughter needs to see a therapist, but every time I mention it I get excuses and tears. Now I'm letting my wife handle it. She responds better to my wife.
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DazzleCamouflage · 20/07/2020 06:25

Agreed, @madwoman1ntheattic. OP you sound positively crazed. Our daughter doesn’t sound to be at any kind of risk, so maybe stop the cliché Retired Cop grandstanding as though you’re in a hostage standoff.

Are you really struggling after your retirement or something? You sound as if you need a hobby.

birthdaybelle · 20/07/2020 06:27

I think I may have just missed it but how old is she actually?

Livingoffcoffee · 20/07/2020 06:28

Do you even care about your daughter, cause it doesn't sound like it? Sounds like you don't even want to tolerate her - you want her out of the way to focus on your wife (heads up, doubt your wife will be pleased with that)

Destroyedpeople · 20/07/2020 06:28

Every post you write makes you sound nastier and nastier about your daughter and herBF.
You really don't like her.
About these "measures in place"? What would they be?
Is it true that in the US being a cop is a bit of a....well....low grade job that most people don't want to do so they just recruit anyone who can write their name?
Just curious.

RetiredDad · 20/07/2020 06:29

@Destroyedpeople

What does that mean 'safety measures are in place if she decides to go down the wrong route'.....exactly?

I am so grateful for my lovely dad who doesn't offer advice but is always there if you have a problem.

If I had had a dad like you I would definitely have wanted some weed.

It means she will get all the help, love, and understanding she needs.
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Destroyedpeople · 20/07/2020 06:31

You sound really sinister. I am not surprised your daughter has gone her own way.

DazzleCamouflage · 20/07/2020 06:34

But isn’t she getting the ‘help, love and understanding she needs’, anyway? By virtue of being your daughter? Why does that need to wait till she ‘goes down the wrong route’? Which means what — dropping out, getting a dog and smoking dope? It’s hardly high-grade rebellion, is it? Hmm

Destroyedpeople · 20/07/2020 06:38

Yes who will offer this 'help love and understanding ' that you have 'put in place' if she 'goes down the wrong road'?
Why can't you just offer that now?

Sheenais · 20/07/2020 06:39

She responds better to my wife.
Really? I can't think why. Actually I am struggling to believe that your wife reconciled with you voluntarily. You sound very unpleasant.

RetiredDad · 20/07/2020 06:46

@Destroyedpeople

Every post you write makes you sound nastier and nastier about your daughter and herBF. You really don't like her. About these "measures in place"? What would they be? Is it true that in the US being a cop is a bit of a....well....low grade job that most people don't want to do so they just recruit anyone who can write their name? Just curious.
If low grade pays 6 figures and requires 2 years of college then yes its a low grade job where at any given time you can be shot, stabbed, or severely injured by someone who doesn't like the uniform you are wearing. The other thing we do in the US is run into any and all types of danger while everyone else runs the other way. If you consider Police in the United States a low grade job then that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I don't know you so I won't make any judgements or assumptions about you. If you're trying to teach me some type of life lesson here I can watch reruns of "Davey and Goliath" on YouTube. I do love my daughter, but I am having trouble with her. I don't necessarily like her boyfriend, and a lot of the choices she has made in the last few years.
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Destroyedpeople · 20/07/2020 06:52

I was just asking as that is what I heard.....and you don't sound overly smart. No offence meant.

No wish to teach you a 'life lesson' no.
Honestly take a step back...reread your posts. ..and have a little think about why people here are saying you don't like her.

DazzleCamouflage · 20/07/2020 06:53

But you’re not required to ‘like‘ her choices or her choice of partner. You get to decide whether to support her financially, but otherwise, she’s an adult, able to make her own decisions without consulting a retired cop with control issues who doesn’t appear to have much affection for her.

RetiredDad · 20/07/2020 06:56

@Sheenais

She responds better to my wife. Really? I can't think why. Actually I am struggling to believe that your wife reconciled with you voluntarily. You sound very unpleasant.
Because in spite of my faults (which I work on personally via a therapist) I have made a significant change in the right direction. I may not be father of the year yet, but I bring a lot to the table as a good husband. I'm really a nice guy. The kind you could have a cold soda with (I don't drink).
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CoffeePleb · 20/07/2020 06:58

As a fellow police officer I worry that you are giving us a bad name (that said, destroyedpeople can do one Hmm).

You need to re-assess what you mean by "handle" and re-frame your expectations about what you can achieve.

If you want to force her to listen (obey) you are on a hiding to nothing. What you can do is

  • advise her
  • make sure she understands that whatever happens you and her mother will love her
  • decide (along with your wife) whether you will financially support her

That's pretty much it I'm afraid. She might fuck up. She might actually make decisions which are much more sensible than the ones you would make. No one knows for sure but it's her life for her to live..

MalificentJones · 20/07/2020 07:04

It just sounds like you can’t wait for her to fuck up so you can be right and she will be wrong.

Also, it sounds like you would like her to be less successful than you deem yourself to be and you measure that success in relation to jobs only. Not happiness or relationships or making a difference in the world or travel. Just jobs.

Presumably she would be able to go back to college and complex her course in the future if she wanted to.

I wouldn’t be at all happy if I had paid for my dd to go to university and she dropped out but as she did this without telling you both then there is a problem in your relationship with her which I would choose to focus on if I were you. That’s the most important thing here.

Destroyedpeople · 20/07/2020 07:05

Sorry I have just heard that being a cop isn't all that in the US....
In terms of job 'value'.

FootInBothShoes · 20/07/2020 07:08

@RetiredDad

Ok. You've had some harsh responses on here. They're deserved, but I can imagine they are hard to receive.

This is my experience (and sorry, its gonna be long!)

I've been both where your daughter is and where you are now with a son just entering his third year at university.

My dad was a police officer and I think that, sometimes, he forgot that he was my dad and not my Custody Officer. I recognise a lot of what you say from what he also said. I had a pretty miserable time growing up!

You want to know why your daughter didn't talk to you about leaving college? Well, you talk a lot about wanting her to "listen" to you when, as another poster rightly pointed out, you mean obey. How well do you 'listen' to her? What sort of audience would she have had if she had discussed her plans to leave college with you? I didn't tell my dad when I dropped out of university the first time round because I knew how the conversation would have gone. He didn't listen to me. I was entirely self funded so slightly different in that respect but even so... why talk to someone who doesnt listen to you?

I've never 'advised' my son (ie told him what to do), I've given him my experience but he has always been free to make his own decisions. My parents, on the other hand, lay down the law (much as you are doing) and, as a result, I was still being told I was being "naughty" when I was 27 and a mother myself, simply for not making the same choices they'd have made in all manner of things.

The only house rules i have are about general respect and living in a house with other people (pulling weight with chores etc). He's never had a 'curfew' beyond letting me know if he'd be out past midnight. Which he rarely was because we had established mutual respect by then. And he understood it.

I can understand you not wanting a stream of one night stands to be brought back to your home but a boyfriend? Again, my son was told no ONS etc but an established girlfriend? Why not? Sex doesn't only happen in bed at night - they were having sex anyway and you are not the custodian of your daughter's body (which is where these ideas about boyfriends not stopping over comes from) why is sharing a bed in your house such a problem?

As such, my son has lived at home throughout his degree. He had a girlfriend of 2 years who did stop over and was, in the main, a lovely girl. Perfect? No. But she was his choice and I respected him for it.

There is nothing he doesn't talk to me about (some of it, I'd probably rather not know!!) but I don't want him to ever feel that I am the enemy or someone he has to manage. Has he made mistakes? Of course! Has he chosen routes I could see were disastrous before he took them? Once or twice. But I've always been there to support (not literally pick up the pieces) when he's needed me and I always will be.

You seem to have quite an authoritarian approach to parenting and one that your wife doesn't share.

Your daughter is an adult so she is free to make her own decisions, but she is also a young adult who will still come to you for 'advice' but still won't always get it right. Some of her decisions may be impacted by the fact that a) she doesn't feel you are approachable/your 'advice' is more of a dictat and b) she is trying harder than she should be to prove to you that she is an adult.

I was expected to behave and decision make like a responsible experienced adult, whilst simultaneously being expected to be a child and do as I was told. It's an impossible position to be in because, at that age, you are neither and it's impossible to be both. And the expectations of me changed overnight when I turned 18 yet I had none of the transitional support i needed and the groundwork hadn't been laid.

She still needs parenting and your GUIDANCE but this needs to be done with love and respect. If I've learnt anything, it's that being the parent of a late teen/early 20s is a very different game to parenting a child! She doesn't need your authority she needs your love and emotional support.

Lay off the authority a bit and listen.

SonEtLumiere · 20/07/2020 07:10

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Bluemoooon · 20/07/2020 07:16

I think posters are being a bit obtuse. We all want the best for our DCs and try to make life easy for them - often by advising them not to do what we did, or not to make decisions that will have long term disadvantages, like dropping out of uni, and that is what the OP is doing. It's heartbreaking when DCs make decisions that you are pretty sure will make them unhappy in the long term.

However the OP has not been fully in her life for 5 years, the important late teens, so probably has more incliniation to treat her as a child than an adult. This is the prob imv. He means well but is causing a rift rather than helping her.
Once he reads the comments I'm sure he will get it and realise he needs to modify his 'advice'.

RetiredDad · 20/07/2020 07:23

@MalificentJones

It just sounds like you can’t wait for her to fuck up so you can be right and she will be wrong.

Also, it sounds like you would like her to be less successful than you deem yourself to be and you measure that success in relation to jobs only. Not happiness or relationships or making a difference in the world or travel. Just jobs.

Presumably she would be able to go back to college and complex her course in the future if she wanted to.

I wouldn’t be at all happy if I had paid for my dd to go to university and she dropped out but as she did this without telling you both then there is a problem in your relationship with her which I would choose to focus on if I were you. That’s the most important thing here.

I really want her to be successful because the reality is (other than paying more taxes) your quality of life here or any part of the world depends on the amount of money you make. It dictates everything from your health care to the home you live in to the car you drive to where you take the family for vacation. Being in the middle means your paying taxes for everyone making less than you to continue to be sold a bill of goods not to better themselves, and everyone above continue to make their pockets fatter because their taxes have already been paid by everyone who works for them. Everything is tied to that piece of parchment you go into debt paying for. I WANT BETTER FOR MY DAUGHTER!!! Not to hook up with some recreationational pothead who can't reach the fucking faucet in the bathroom. I want her to be more successful than me. Its what most parents want for their children. I know I won't be Father of the year but I expect my children to do much better than me.
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FootInBothShoes · 20/07/2020 07:23

Oh and my parents took a similar 'life plan' approach to you.

They both joined the police at 17, married at 21, children at 23 and 26. In their eyes, they had done everything 'properly' and expected the same of me.

I returned to university in my 20s, got a first class degree (when my son was a toddler) and a Masters (when my daughter as a baby) in my 30s. I married their dad when I was 33 (they were bridesmaid and ringbearer) and divorced him at 37. I have a professional career, a brilliant relationship with my children, a good working relationship with my ex husband and we support each other's parenting choices (even when we disagree with each other) and our house is filled with love and respect.

Conversely, I was never close to my parents. My dad died about 10 years ago without him ever being someone I could talk to about stuff and I've not had contact with my mother for the same length of time. They never quite forgave me for doing life 'wrong' but there is no one right way of doing your life.

You might feel that your daughter has made poor academic/career choices but look at the age you are and how long you've been a parent for and the mistakes you are still making...

FootInBothShoes · 20/07/2020 07:26

Not everyone measures success by how much money they make...

FootInBothShoes · 20/07/2020 07:29

Once he reads the comments I'm sure he will get it and realise he needs to modify his 'advice'.

I hope so. But he seems to have come to seek advice on managing a 'wayward' daughter in terms of changing her without realising that he needs to be the change.