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Husband makes me feel awful

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Adviceneeded2020 · 14/07/2020 00:47

Hi sorry I have just opened an account to post this but have had other accounts in the past.

I am really worried about what's happened to my relationship and wondering whether to stay and I just need advice as I can't talk to anyone IRL.

Over the last few years my relationship with DH has got very negative. He criticises me constantly. There will always be something I have done wrong. I've been sitting and thinking about it and I can't remember tha last time he praised me. I work part time but am at home with the kids at the moment and am doing my work remotely in the evenings and at weekends
I find myself rushing around in the half hour before he's due home tidying up and cleaning.( I have three kids and have been homeschooling 2 while looking after a toddler and keeping up with my work so the housework doesn't really get much of a look in during the week)so that he has nothing to criticise when he walks in, he always finds something. As soon as he walks in he checks where my phone, keys and purse are. I am quite forgetful and clumsy and have lost these things in the past so have never minded him doing it but just recently I've found it a bit overbearing, he shouts at me if they are not where they should be. They are almost always somewhere sensible like my handbag or occasionally on the side but this will then lead to a lecture about putting them back in the right place. I suppose I am older now and what I used to see as sweet is making me feel claustrophobic.

He always criticise everything I do and so I end up not doing it and be takes over. When I food shop I spend too much or forget something vital, when he goes he comes home raving about how well he's done and how little he's spent and how we will make it last all week. If he forgets something and I say something he gets arsey and says things like "I can't be expected to do everything"

The real thing that upsets me is how it's impacting on the children. He snaps at them for the smallest things. He was really shouting at DS today because he woke up with a nightmare. He also snaps at me in front of them and belittles me. DS woke up because of a nightmare but shortly before I had gone to bed and made what he considered to be too much noise so he came up and shouted at me for waking DS up, in front of DS. I don't know how to deal with that. If I argue back then we are arguing in front of them which is horrible and if I take it then I am teaching them it's ok.

To offer balance I am difficult in many ways, I'm quite disorganised so I do mislay things and I'm not great with money and often overspend although I feel I am improving. Our finances aren't great as a family but we both have steady incomes and are gradually getting our debts down. I know he worries about money and I add to it in his opinion. I don't buy myself treats, if I buy clothes I try and get second hand. I only buy things for the children, food and pay for outings for us and gifts for others. (Obviously no outings at moment) but money is tight and he doesn't really understand how much things like school uniform and shoes cost so it causes a lot of arguments. I also know that we don't always agree on parenting, he sees me as soft but I have a much more gentle but firm approach where he would shout, send to rooms and withhold pocket money I would prefer to talk to the children about their behaviour, use natural consequences and try and look for root causes (like tiredness)

So basically our marriage has become toxic. I never talk to him about anything I'm thinking or feeling because I don't feel he will listen to me and I don't feel he cares about me. When I try he often answers in a way which makes me think he hasn't even heard me or brushes my statement off as untrue or misguided. He doesn't know or take an interest in things going on in my life. If something happened to me that wasn't going to directly affect him I don't know if I would even bother to tell him, he wouldn't care! As a result of all this I would say I have forgotten how I used to feel. I see an angry bitter man when I look at my husband. So it may seem obvious I should leave but he isn't always this bad. He has days where he is quite sweet and most days he will text me a nice message or ring at lunch and tell me about his day. The main reason that I can't just leave is that my parents divorced when I was DS' age and it was horrendous. I really struggled with it and have had counselling as an adult as a result. I just don't want my children to go through what I went through. I know some divorces can be amicable but I am sure ours wouldn't be. I witnessed horrible arguments and I'll never forget them.

So can anyone offer me their opinions/advice? Do you think marriage counselling would help us? Do you think the children are better watching is argue or seeing us divorce? If we divorce and it means they spend half their time with him will it mean they spend half their time walking on eggshells like me? Aren't they better off with me here to prevent that all the time?

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Hiddennameforever · 15/07/2020 14:34

No, he is a very calm man publically. I've never seen him shout at anyone but me and our children. He would never speak to a friend, colleague or his parents/siblings like this.

Yes my husband is same.
Outside he is so shy, he would not speak up to anybody, he is scared to say hello to our neighbours.
But inside he is like a devil!
We call him a devil v dc.
He says he is probably bipolar as one minute he seems nice and next minute he is devil.
But he won’t go to see Dr.
He says he thinks he is bipolar. I don’t that. He is just a copycat like his dad. He grew up seeing his dad shouting on mum and he just does the same.
He also enjoyed watching coronation street where Jeff abuses Jasmine.
Programs like that should not be on Tv as it gives ammunition and sick ideas to men like that!

GilbertMarkham · 15/07/2020 14:40

He says he is probably bipolar

No expert but I believe this is characterized by someone being hyper, high, excited, upbeat and manic for a period alternating with being depressed, demotivated etc.

Not being angry, aggressive, shouty and nasty to their nearest regularly, and alright.

So he's just latched onto some psycho babble bullshit to excuse his behaviour (a d as you say it's no coincidence he has an abusive father).

GilbertMarkham · 15/07/2020 14:40

*alright at other times

Babysharkdoodoodood · 15/07/2020 14:56

@Hiddennameforever

No, he is a very calm man publically. I've never seen him shout at anyone but me and our children. He would never speak to a friend, colleague or his parents/siblings like this.

Yes my husband is same.
Outside he is so shy, he would not speak up to anybody, he is scared to say hello to our neighbours.
But inside he is like a devil!
We call him a devil v dc.
He says he is probably bipolar as one minute he seems nice and next minute he is devil.
But he won’t go to see Dr.
He says he thinks he is bipolar. I don’t that. He is just a copycat like his dad. He grew up seeing his dad shouting on mum and he just does the same.
He also enjoyed watching coronation street where Jeff abuses Jasmine.
Programs like that should not be on Tv as it gives ammunition and sick ideas to men like that!

My husband has bpd, and he's never behaved like that! Before he got his meds right, when he was manic, he would buy all sorts. Even a lovely diamond necklace. When he was on a downturn, he would withdraw and become ver6 depressed. But also very apologetic about it. Never angry or shouty.

Yours is just a twat.

RiftGibbon · 15/07/2020 18:08

I have a friend who is bipolar. He doesn't behave like this (selectively rude and aggressive).
If he can be polite and respectful to other people that says it all. He's using the behaviour to control you.

Adviceneeded2020 · 15/07/2020 18:31

He's using the behaviour to control you sorry if this seems a stupid question.it just seems so odd that he would do that deliberately, he has never seemed to be doing it deliberately just unable to control it because of the stress of the kids and the noise, he doesn't like loud noises. Is it not possible someone can be unpleasant to his family.without meaning to be?

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Hiddennameforever · 15/07/2020 19:16

@Babysharkdoodoodood
@RiftGibbon

I knew it!
I didn’t think he is bipolar anyway.
Even if he would be that would be my fault anyway as everything bad what happens to him it’s my fault, he blames his shitty life on me.
He says he wishes he never met me..
He is just copycat of his dad.
He is the same.
I notice when I’m at PILs - for example his mum it’s not allowed to watch her favourite programs like soaps like Emerdale etc.
She can to watch it secretly in her bedroom when he asleep, they have separate bedrooms. As he think it’s rubbish program and it won’t be watched on htheir main telly in the living room.
I noticed my DH starts to do the same with me.
Something on tv.. trashy program like Love Island or anything I like - I say could you record it for me- he says no, it’s rubbish.
So I end up going to record it when he is not looking and watch it when he is not around.

RiftGibbon · 15/07/2020 19:31

I don't think it's possible to be mean/unkind/rude without meaning to be - particularly when you've had it pointed out to you lots of times. From how you describe things, OP, he can be perfectly nice when he wants to be, but if things aren't going his way then the nasty is unleashed.

Does he apologise for snapping?

Hidden it doesn't sound like a very good situation for you or for MIL.

Sally2791 · 15/07/2020 20:01

He is nasty to his nearest and dearest because he is abusive and has trained you to accept it. He is fully aware that other people would not tolerate it.
I know only too well how these vile men can make you think black is white, don’t waste any more head space on trying to work out his motives.
Prioritise your happiness and your DCs future. Get legal advice and make plans to leave.

Zofloramummy · 15/07/2020 20:46

Well he isn’t mean and nasty to the other people in his life, friends, wider family and colleagues. So why is he like that with you? He must be able to control it or he would act the same everywhere. By a process of elimination that must mean he is doing it consciously and yes, he means it.

Fanthorpe · 15/07/2020 20:47

He might not plan to be horrible but he does nothing to stop it when he is.
The myth of the angry man who just can’t control himself is insidious. We all to a greater or lesser extent have empathy and reason, we understand consequences. He’s no different. He doesn’t want to control himself. It’s just an excuse to be a bully and get his own way using fear.

AtaMarie · 15/07/2020 20:56

My mother shouted all the time growing up. She’d shout at us for the most normal little-kid things - dropping stuff or having a messy room. My overwhelming memory of childhood is feeling fearful and walking on eggshells.

We’re low contact now, even though she’s a a totally different person now. And I’ve come to realise that my father, who was always kind to us, was complicit for never saying anything to her so I’m LC with him too.

Believe me, your children will be taking in all this anger. The good times will not be enough to erase memories of being shouted at for having a bad dream.

Adviceneeded2020 · 16/07/2020 23:11

Does he apologise for snapping?

Yes but it's usually along the lines of "sorry for shouting but I just get so frustrated when you don't listen to me" so basically turning it back on me.

Since I started this thread he's been great and I feel really bad now. I don't know if I overreacted or not. I spent all of yesterday wondering if everything I believed about out relationship was wrong, now today I'm wondering if I'm just tired and stressed and blowing things out of all proportion.

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Zofloramummy · 17/07/2020 00:12

Time will tell OP.

Splitsunrise · 17/07/2020 00:34

He sounds exactly like my father. Mum never left because she thought it would destroy us to have to go through a divorce, but I’ll resent her forever for making me life through that toxic horrible upbringing. Quite frankly you owe it to your children. I don’t care how nice he is sometimes, how he can be lovely etc - it’s bloody textbook. It doesn’t mean he spends ages thinking about hurting you and how he can shout to the kids, he just simply has his needs at the forefront of his mind, he is most important and everyone must do what he says. Don’t minimise this as “grump”. Everyone can be grumpy. You’re in denial I’m afraid. Nothing will change because why would it? You’ve talked to him many times and he doesn’t want to do anything differently, this works for him. He’s showing you that every single day. It’s up to you whether you will put yourself and your poor children first. They don’t deserve to grow up life this and you will be harming them forever by teaching them this is normal. It’s not ok

Aerial2020 · 17/07/2020 04:35

Please look up the cycle of abuse. Do some reading around the subject and you will see.
You said he's being lovely now and you feel bad.
You are excusing it because he is keeping you muddled. Read your initial thread OP and now ask yourself why you are feeling bad after the way he treats you. He has got you doubting yourself. Why on earth are you feeling bad after getting support? He is still all those things you wrote about, it hasn't gone away because he has been nice for a few days. He should be nice to you. All the time. Not when he feels like it.

Wallywobbles · 17/07/2020 06:17

Read why does he do that by Lundy. Then draw your own conclusions.

ByeByeMissAmericanPie · 17/07/2020 06:50

I’m recently out of a marriage like yours. It’s all very textbook.

Set yourself an Action plan :

Look into doing The Freedom Programme
Read the Lundy Bancroft book
Go for individual counselling.

And just be more aware of your situation in the marriage and your job as a mother... and his attitude generally.

And think. Don’t do anything too hasty.
Start making a list of all the incidents ( or the big ones) that have happened and keep track of the going forward. It’s a good tool to stop you minimising his behaviour. Refer back to it regularly!

I found it really helpful to take a step back and be more analytical of the situations. I would lose keys, I even transferred our HMRC money into the wrong HMRC account which took a bit of unraveling because he was cross with me at the time. Urgh. It was awful.

I also wonder if this is causing any health issues? I had IBS, insomnia, back pain, palpitations. Can’t say they’ve been particularly bothersome since I left.

And maybe contact a solicitor or CAB to see how you’d fare financially.

When I left, my parting shot was “If you’d been like this before I married you... Well I wouldn’t have married you “. He didn’t have the answer to that!

Adviceneeded2020 · 17/07/2020 07:40

Thanks everyone. Believe me I am looking into all these things, I just can't believe it, I am in denial I suppose. I can't get my head round the idea that it might all have been an act. It's heartbreaking.

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Aerial2020 · 17/07/2020 11:25
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Hiddennameforever · 17/07/2020 18:45

@Adviceneeded2020 this is exactly what my DH says to me..
I’m sorry I shouted but I’m just so frustrated with you.
Same line.

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