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Husband makes me feel awful

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Adviceneeded2020 · 14/07/2020 00:47

Hi sorry I have just opened an account to post this but have had other accounts in the past.

I am really worried about what's happened to my relationship and wondering whether to stay and I just need advice as I can't talk to anyone IRL.

Over the last few years my relationship with DH has got very negative. He criticises me constantly. There will always be something I have done wrong. I've been sitting and thinking about it and I can't remember tha last time he praised me. I work part time but am at home with the kids at the moment and am doing my work remotely in the evenings and at weekends
I find myself rushing around in the half hour before he's due home tidying up and cleaning.( I have three kids and have been homeschooling 2 while looking after a toddler and keeping up with my work so the housework doesn't really get much of a look in during the week)so that he has nothing to criticise when he walks in, he always finds something. As soon as he walks in he checks where my phone, keys and purse are. I am quite forgetful and clumsy and have lost these things in the past so have never minded him doing it but just recently I've found it a bit overbearing, he shouts at me if they are not where they should be. They are almost always somewhere sensible like my handbag or occasionally on the side but this will then lead to a lecture about putting them back in the right place. I suppose I am older now and what I used to see as sweet is making me feel claustrophobic.

He always criticise everything I do and so I end up not doing it and be takes over. When I food shop I spend too much or forget something vital, when he goes he comes home raving about how well he's done and how little he's spent and how we will make it last all week. If he forgets something and I say something he gets arsey and says things like "I can't be expected to do everything"

The real thing that upsets me is how it's impacting on the children. He snaps at them for the smallest things. He was really shouting at DS today because he woke up with a nightmare. He also snaps at me in front of them and belittles me. DS woke up because of a nightmare but shortly before I had gone to bed and made what he considered to be too much noise so he came up and shouted at me for waking DS up, in front of DS. I don't know how to deal with that. If I argue back then we are arguing in front of them which is horrible and if I take it then I am teaching them it's ok.

To offer balance I am difficult in many ways, I'm quite disorganised so I do mislay things and I'm not great with money and often overspend although I feel I am improving. Our finances aren't great as a family but we both have steady incomes and are gradually getting our debts down. I know he worries about money and I add to it in his opinion. I don't buy myself treats, if I buy clothes I try and get second hand. I only buy things for the children, food and pay for outings for us and gifts for others. (Obviously no outings at moment) but money is tight and he doesn't really understand how much things like school uniform and shoes cost so it causes a lot of arguments. I also know that we don't always agree on parenting, he sees me as soft but I have a much more gentle but firm approach where he would shout, send to rooms and withhold pocket money I would prefer to talk to the children about their behaviour, use natural consequences and try and look for root causes (like tiredness)

So basically our marriage has become toxic. I never talk to him about anything I'm thinking or feeling because I don't feel he will listen to me and I don't feel he cares about me. When I try he often answers in a way which makes me think he hasn't even heard me or brushes my statement off as untrue or misguided. He doesn't know or take an interest in things going on in my life. If something happened to me that wasn't going to directly affect him I don't know if I would even bother to tell him, he wouldn't care! As a result of all this I would say I have forgotten how I used to feel. I see an angry bitter man when I look at my husband. So it may seem obvious I should leave but he isn't always this bad. He has days where he is quite sweet and most days he will text me a nice message or ring at lunch and tell me about his day. The main reason that I can't just leave is that my parents divorced when I was DS' age and it was horrendous. I really struggled with it and have had counselling as an adult as a result. I just don't want my children to go through what I went through. I know some divorces can be amicable but I am sure ours wouldn't be. I witnessed horrible arguments and I'll never forget them.

So can anyone offer me their opinions/advice? Do you think marriage counselling would help us? Do you think the children are better watching is argue or seeing us divorce? If we divorce and it means they spend half their time with him will it mean they spend half their time walking on eggshells like me? Aren't they better off with me here to prevent that all the time?

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Adviceneeded2020 · 14/07/2020 11:31

are you sure he doesn't move things? I am, it usually happens when I'm on my own with the kids and get distracted. I am a bit forgetful and disorganised.

OP posts:
Wyntersdiary · 14/07/2020 11:33

you do realise that anyone can in some ways be lovely right?

you do realise that most murderers and rapists and pedos will most likely have something about them thats lovely right? it doesnt make them not abusive :S

Your whole thought process is the exact same as most people in abusive relationships... oh but it isnt abusive alll the time, oh hes sometimes real lovely to me , oh and he loves the kids and there is far MORE abusive men out there.. UGH Angry

I must say most abusive partners are lovely to them when they arnt being abusive, its how most of them get away with it because then the people think maybe they were just having a bad day or are just a little grumpy

anotherdisaster · 14/07/2020 11:36

OP you are backtracking because reality is hitting home how bad he is and you probably don't want to face up to it. Just because he doesn't hit you or cheat on you, that does not make him a good husband.
Even if it were that he was just grumpy all the time, who wants to live with someone like that?
Try to imagine what your ideal marriage would be like, then compare it to yours.

anotherdisaster · 14/07/2020 11:39

What @Wyntersdiary said.

thebeachismyhappyplace2 · 14/07/2020 11:41

Sorry OP, it sounds like you are in massive denial. I have a friend who is going through something very similar. He is messing with your head. Are you in a financial position where you can leave him?

Adviceneeded2020 · 14/07/2020 11:42

i just don't know if i want to leave him. I just want my old husband back, he wasn't like this when we got married.

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user1456324865563 · 14/07/2020 11:44

I am not sure it's abuse because in some ways he is lovely. its just he seems to be unable to stop shouting at us and losing his temper.When things are fine, he is fine.

This is a description of what abusive means. That is the cycle of abuse and how he keeps control of you all.

Abuse is about power and control - that's why it is referred to as coercive control (which incidentally is a crime). It is deliberate not accidental; pointing out to him he is abusive will not suddenly cause him to stop because he already knows and chooses to behave this way.

Abuse is NOT about being an evil monster 24/7. One of the most damaging elements of being abused is that they will alternate cruelty with gentleness, which causes trauma bonding.

Half of your posts just sound like you are reciting his abuse and excuses for abusing you.

No competent therapist will engage in joint therapy where there is abuse. It is dangerous and unethical. If you found someone foolish enough to agree to it, that tells you they are both incompetent and unethical, and therefore not someone you should go near.

Look up the Freedom Programme course. It is online. It will address your confusion about what abuse is and why people are identifying abuse here.

Ultimately, if you want life to improve you need to remove the abuser from the equation.

It is desperately unfair to force children to live in an abusive home. It will destroy their futures. Look up developmental trauma while you're googling. You have a responsibility to make the tough choices necessary to protect your children from what he is doing and the damage he is causing them.

Home should be safe, not somewhere where you never know what the rules are and whether daddy is going to explode at you or not. (And what you described about the reaction to being distressed after a nightmare is awful).

You acknowledge you see the damage he is causing your defenceless children. If you stay you are complicit in him abusing them. When they are broken, traumatised adults they will not thank you for doing that to them.

These children need someone to care enough to protect them and right now they are being failed by both of the people tasked with doing that.

Thelnebriati · 14/07/2020 11:45

@Adviceneeded2020 Will you take The Freedom Program? You can do it online.

freedomprogramme.co.uk/docs/dominator-mr-right.pdf

freedomprogramme.co.uk/lwd.php

newdirectionsshelter.org/red-flags-of-abusive-relationships/

user1456324865563 · 14/07/2020 11:46

I just want my old husband back, he wasn't like this when we got married.

Well, obviously. Because you wouldn't have married someone you realised was an abuser.

Don't fall into the trap of trying to get back the pretend version of himself he used to lure you in.

Fanthorpe · 14/07/2020 11:53

You ask about the effect on your children, at the moment they’re learning that if someone is angry with them they must do all they can to appease the person.

You’re afraid of your husband. You fear his moods, his emotional violence, you have no say in how the household is run, he’s controlling you financially, he doesn’t support you with the children the house or your work.

He’s an abuser.

thebeachismyhappyplace2 · 14/07/2020 11:57

OP - how long has he been like this for?

Claricethecat45 · 14/07/2020 12:02

Adviceneeded2020

'I've been sitting and thinking about it and I can't remember tha last time he praised me'

Why are you even craving praise ? Please don't- he is not your headmaster/Boss - he is meant to be a partner. He has already reduced you to horrible doubt and subservience. You are a capable adult woman and he is undermining you....please please find RL support...and NEVER doubt your worth and your ability. He is a old fashioned paternalistic BULLY- get out - be disorganised as much as you want - if you are away from him, you will be totally in charge of you - and please take the chance to be free. Hard - I know - but this situation isn't going to change

Adviceneeded2020 · 14/07/2020 12:03

he’s controlling you financially, he doesn’t support you with the children the house or your work

He does support me with the children and house. I haven't said that. He is a good parent to them in terms of being here for them at bedtime, playing with them etc. He loves and cuddles and reads to them. He cooks and does a reasonable amount of housework considering he is at work and I am at home.

I'm not sure about financial abuse I think that's unfair. We just don't have much money and he is more frugal than me. I worry that people are putting words in my mouth. I am confused at the moment and this thread has made me more confused. He's very hard to live with at the moment and I am worried about what my children are learning about anger management, he isn't doing a lot of the other things people are suggesting though so I'm sorry if I gave that impression.

He would be so upset if he knew this thread existed. I feel very disloyal. I just wondered if there was anyone who had been through anything similar. I am listening to your comments though, I may be a bit in denial, I'm just not sure.

I've had a little look at the freedom programme but it says its for victims of domestic violence?

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MyOwnSummer · 14/07/2020 12:16

He says you act like a child?

FUCK OFF YOU PATRONISING WANKER.

There you go, sorted the response for you. Fucking hell that made me feel angry. There's some deep seated misogyny going on there. No wonder you have lost interest in him as a husband, you have an unhealthy parent/child dynamic where you feel like a teenager chafing against The Rules.

Except you are not a child or teenager, you're supposed to be his partner. I'm not surprised he doesn't change for long when you talk to him - why would he, he doesn't respect you as a partner!

Thelnebriati · 14/07/2020 12:27

@Adviceneeded2020 Dont have a little look at The Freedom Program, take the program. You cant see how it will assist you until you have done it.

What have you got to lose?

Fanthorpe · 14/07/2020 12:29

Adviceneeded you’ll get a lot of support on here if you want it, please don’t think this is criticism. You described running around getting ready for his return and him criticising things left undone so I picked up on that. I’m glad he does his share with bedtimes etc.

I don’t think it’s right that you’re feeling so under pressure from him though. He does sound controlling but I can see why you might not think that.

carreterra · 14/07/2020 12:32

@Adviceneeded2020

"To offer balance I am difficult in many ways, I'm quite disorganised so I do mislay things and I'm not great with money."
Stop right there, OP. You are not difficult, you are human ! You are also a working mum, which takes some organising, it doesn't matter that your hours are part time, you are still contributing, and it sounds like your children have a lovely, patient and rational mum.
Your DH having a go at you in front of your children is completely out of order. If this is becoming the norm, I would secretly make plans to leave, either in your head or on paper (try using a code). In the meantime, try to zone out when he's belittling you, as if he's talking to someone else. Do you have anyone in real life who you could talk to about going it alone? You said you didn't want your children to suffer as you did, during your own parents' divorce, but to me it looks like your children will be better off with you. I don't know if counselling will help, you already know your own situation, and that you are unhappy. Sending best wishes to you, Flowers

Hiddennameforever · 14/07/2020 12:45

This post is as I would written it.
Exactly word after word my DH is so same.
It’s sad and terrible that our husbands changed.
Mine was so nice before we got married.
I noticed after the wedding he started to commanding me..like do this..do that- you did not do this properly..
I paid no attention to it but now it’s nonstop.
Criticism after criticism daily, 20x per hour.
I’m useless, stupid and I make him sick, I hear this 20x per day.

Who wants to hit a dog, always finds a stick( proverb)

Then he says everything is my fault, blames for everything in his life.
He loses game of golf- it’s my fault as he was tired as I turned in a bed too much and it kept him awake, hence he is tired and could not concentrate on golf.
Manchester United lost game, it’s somehow my fault too.
So I get shouted the whole evening.
It’s raining outside, it’s my fault as I’m negative and called the clouds on!
It’s terrible..

Hiddennameforever · 14/07/2020 12:48

To add.
I am not negative person. I’m always was very happy, easy going, laughing nonstop.
In a fact I was always called a class clown as I made people laugh.
Now????
I do not recall when I last time emailed?
Like 10 yrs ago.
I don’t even know what happy means...

gamerchick · 14/07/2020 12:48

So basically our marriage has become toxic

Glad you see it. Now what's the plan?

Belittling btw is massively damaging to kids. The effects last well into adulthood and can affect entire lives sometimes.

You don't want that for them?

Hiddennameforever · 14/07/2020 12:49
  • I meant I don’t recall when I last time laughed.. ( silly predictive text)
Icloud54 · 14/07/2020 12:50

Your poor child had a nightmare and his reaction was to shout at him?

Yeah alright then.. he's not that bad Hmm

gamerchick · 14/07/2020 12:50

I've had a little look at the freedom programme but it says its for victims of domestic violence?

Maybe you need to look at what domestic violence is. There's a list and it'll probably surprise you.

TwentyViginti · 14/07/2020 12:56

He would be so upset if he knew this thread existed

It only exists because of the way he treats you and the DC, and the effect he's having on you all.

ButteryPuffin · 14/07/2020 12:58

You say you're difficult at times, ok. But even if you are, he's difficult at times too, and you don't shout at him, do you? Why is it ok for him to shout, and never be in the wrong, but not for you?