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Found out fiancé has been cheating on me with prostitutes through most of our relationship. Absolutely devastated!

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Bluebell0724 · 02/06/2020 12:56

I thought my relationship was solid F(29) M(31). We had a healthy and incredibly happy relationship. We rarely argued and when we did we would be able to communicate effectively in order to get past it.

We were best friends we would frequently stay up talking into the small hours on a Friday night because we loved each other’s company so much.

My fiancé was the most loving dedicated men id ever met. Told me I was beautiful and he loved me 20x a day. Always tactile and hugging me. We were supposed to be getting married (if cornona would allow) in August.

The only issue was the sex which I tried to fix continuously. We had a good sex life at the beginning it was very passionate and the most exciting I’d experienced initially but it kept decreasing. It went down to once every 2 weeks. (I have a very high sex drive so this wasn’t good)

I always tried to engage in communication about our sex life. It was such a shame how much it had decreased. I have always been a bit of a sexually submissive and had wanted to tell him.

But my attempted communication about sex was always shut down. I was fobbed off and told that he had a low drive and wasn’t that into sex.

I was told that he was faking it at the beginning to please me but that he couldn’t keep it up. I felt like he thought I was an over-sexed pervert.

When I tried to initiate sex I was turned down. When we did have sex he would loose his erection. I bought his excuse hook line and sinker.

A few days ago I was on his phone searching for an email from the company who are providing the decorations for our wedding and I came across an email from the website adult work.

When I opened it up it said ‘this email is not spam you have received it because you have an active account on adult work.com’. I googled it and it was a prostitution website. My heart stopped. My world collapsed at that moment.

I tried to sign in and got his password resent to the email so I could. When I logged in I went into his bookings and saw that he had booked prostitutes.

My fiancé was having a nap so I woke him up and asked him to come into the living room. I showed him what I had found. His face said it all!

He admitted to paying for sex around every two months. He said it had started about 7 months into our relationship and the last time was February this year! I threw him out immediately. The hurt, pain and shock was too much to bare.

Since then and me calming down somewhat he has come round to speak to me about it and answer all of my questions (I have many!). I would say we’ve spoken for at least 40 hours combined.

He said after he’d fallen in love with me he couldn’t see me sexually. He said it was like a switch had turned off and I entered into the not sexual category alongside his mum and sisters.

He said he has been introduced to prostitutes about the age of 19 by older men he new who would take him to brothels after nights out. He said initially he felt uncomfortable but they normalised it to him. He then started paying for sex on his own and had done this all through his 20s (he’s 31 now).

He claimed to only have paid for sex while with me because he wanted to have sex with me but couldn’t. I thought ‘what a load of shit’ but when I logged into adult work and looked at the women. They all looked like me. One frighteningly so much she could be me!

Why would he pay for sex with someone who looks like me rather than actually having sex with me? My confusion grew.

He said he couldn’t. His body and mind wouldn’t allow him to. He said I was his princess and he couldn’t think of me sexually in his mind.

I asked him what he liked sexually. He admitted to liking a power dynamic. Ironically the same power dynamic I like but had always felt I wasn’t allowed to bring up.

He said the power dynamic made him feel like he was abusing me or degrading me and that I was his angel that he couldn’t do that to me. He told me he had put me on a pedestal and that he wouldn’t even allow himself to think of me that way.

I have always been uncomfortable with prostitution (my own personal belief) but I feel there is a lot of exploitation. The idea of him doing degrading things to women he paid made me feel sick and made him seem like a monster.

I told him this he cried and said he was a monster and that the only reason he could do it was because he’d dehumanised the women.

He told me the act of buying sex he had compartmentalised. As if it wasn’t real. He told me he almost saw it as a virtual reality world. But that deep down he understood the severity of his actions as the guilt was heavy. (But as I pointed out not enough guilt to confess or stop.)

Since we spoke about sex and what he liked and what I liked (we probably spoke for 4 hours). He said the blocker has been removed and he’s desperate for sex with me but is obviously respectful and hasn’t pressured. After the conversation his body did seem to be working again. I saw he had an erection and that is something he hadn’t been able to get with me for some time.

The day I found out he phoned all his friends and family and told them what he’d done. One of his sisters has disowned him. He rang our church and told them what he’d done and asked them to help me as I was distraught.

He was also inconsolable so one of the pastors ended up staying on the phone to him for about an hour. The church then contacted me and offered their support.

He has started therapy. And he phones me up or comes round to visit to tell me what was discussed and what insight it has given him into his actions.

He apologises continuously. He has assured me it was nothing to do with me and that I am perfect (to which I always reply no one is perfect’). But human nature is to feel inadequate now which is what I do feel.

I feel like him paying for it over me shows how undesirable I was. But then he keeps reminding me of the women he choose and how they resembled me.

He says I couldn’t have done anymore and that it’s nothing to do with me and that it was his own emotional issues and his own choice to be unfaithful.

He cries and says he will never forgive himself for the betrayal but also for exploiting the women he paid for. He has said that he will support me whatever I want. That he wants to try again and stay together but that he understands the severity of what he’s done and understands that I may never want him back.

It’s all very overwhelming and I am going through such a roller coaster of emotion I don’t know what I want and am not going to rush my decision.

Does anyone have any thoughts on the infidelity? What they would do? Or what they got from what I’ve written?

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Thingsdogetbetter · 03/06/2020 08:12

The problem with him now suddenly being capable of sex with you, OP, is that it means he's moved you from Madonna to whore category. His arousal for you didn't happen after intensive therapy or self reflection where he's been able to breakdown the categories and just see women as individuals with sexual needs. It happened instantly after you talked about your sexual needs and thus became a sexual being in his eyes. And sexual beings cannot be Madonnas. There are only Madonnas and whoresto him. You cannot be a mixture. You have to be one or the other. Which makes you now a whore.

He'll be all buzzed that he's sexually attracted to you, but soon his brain will be questioning that attraction. How can you be a pure Madonna he can love, but not be a whore when he is sexually attraction to you? Whores aren't for love, they are for sex. He'll get angry that he loves a whore, feel like you 'tricked' him by pretending to be a Madonna. He'll get paranoid because whores sleep around and can't be trusted. He'll feel dirty for loving a whore.

He will punish you for falling off the Madonna pedestal where you were worthy of his love. Whores are dirty, unfaithful and not worthy of love. And if he loves you that makes him dirty too. And he won't be able to live with that - and that will be your fault! He will hate you for making him dirty, for making him mix love and sex. He WILL punish you.

GilbertMarkham · 03/06/2020 08:35

Neither he nor anyone who advocates for him (in terms of you continuing the relationship or supporting him) do not have your interests at heart however.

Don't let anyone manipulate you here, you are the victim, he's the perpetrator; never forget that.

Victims shouldn't be pushed to forgive or to support people who've behaved reprehensibly towards them. Let him get his support from his family. You are not his family, you are a young woman he's treated appallingly.

If people play the forgiveness card, tell them you will forgive him in time when you've had the chance to come to terms with what he has done to you and your relationship/life ..
But that that forgiveness is not bundled up with continuing a relationship with him, it is separate.
That it is for the best for both of you that you do not continue the relationship.

Tell them thatt he has told you very early that he lost sexual feelings for you and sees you as a sibling or female relative, that his retraction of that his not remotely convincing ... And that you naturally want a future husband who you can have a full, healthy, normal, romantic & sexual relationship with, which he cannot be. That it would be utterly unfair on both of you to persist with this farce/sham he's made of your relationship given the above.

That you hope he gets the help he needs and will wish him all the best when you've had a chance to recover from what he's done to you - which is a huge betrayal, and you're naturally devastated by the end of your engagement and the destruction of your future plans ... But the only option is for you to both move forward separately.

Don't ever let him or his advocates paint him as the victim here or a victim of equal standing to you .. he is NOT.

Having said all that, remember that you actually don't have to anything at all to anyone who wants to discuss this. It is your former relationship, your former engagement, your life .. and your decision. That's your right. They actually haven't got the slightest right to make you discuss this. You could have ended the relationship and given him the ring back for any reason you wanted, and you would have been within your rights. You could have done so over sex life for example, or anything. And this ..... It's beyond the pale. Don't let anyone (including yourself) make you justify getting out.

The poster above who said you could be his friend ... NO.

He's not a friend.

He and any representatives of his will just use that to try to drag you back into a relationship with him, the best possible outcome in terms of their reputation herd would be for you to continue seeing him, or get back together.

Even if they don't (doubt that) you don't need to try to be friends with him, for your own recovery and mental health.

Plus why be friends with someone with no integrity and who views women like he does and had used prostitutes women for years? Madness.

GilbertMarkham · 03/06/2020 08:38

*prostituted

Gutterton · 03/06/2020 08:46

This is v early days for you and you sound like you are in shock - so much shock that you can’t feel - you are numb, this is a surreal experience and you are just looking for ways for it not to have happened - to fix it .... and he is offering you one.

Your whole past, present and future - has been a lie and obliterated - and you are imagining that you can put it all back together in an instant, rewind, click your fingers and then this didn’t even happen.

Back to your perfect life, being told you are beautiful 20 times a day with your wedding and babies to look forward to in the next year. You think you can compartmentalise this and erase it out - it’s just a messy corner of your life - you can clean it all up and everything with be OK. And he is a nice guy to you, never been mean - quite opposite. None of it adds up. He was extra nice to you to throw you off the scent of his real disordered self.

Its quite understandable to be in so much denial and looking for solutions as it’s a survival technique. Look up the 5 stages of grief. The risk to you in this shock, denial phase is hysterical bonding. That’s what your body wants to do. To make it never to have happened. You are totally open to his manipulation, false promises, begging pleading. Don’t fall for it - totally block him - you need time, space and distance to emotionally process this for YOU - his reasons, excuses are irrelevant clutter and distraction.

But you will one day defrost from the shock, the numbness will fade away and you will then find your anger. Anger is your real feeling. This is your power and will move you on if you tap into its energy.

Some professional support would really help you at this time because once those denial glasses come off you will be raging.

catsandlavender · 03/06/2020 08:51

Next you'll be finding out he's raped or murdered some poor girl

I’m sorry but I completely agree with this. This man is a dangerous, misogynistic narcissist who views women as worthless objects for his pleasure.

GilbertMarkham · 03/06/2020 08:59

The problem with him now suddenly being capable of sex with you, OP, is that it means he's moved you from Madonna to whore category.

I'm not even convinced that happened.

I'd suspect he was willing to think about whatever it took in order to maintain an erection and have enthusiastic looking sex in order to convince op that his issue is now solved, they're going to have a decent sex life and she should continue the relationship.

Fk knows what he was actually thinking about - I think I'd rather not dwell on it given his tastes for "in power", possibly degrading sex with prostitutes.

GilbertMarkham · 03/06/2020 09:04

He was extra nice to you to throw you off the scent of his real disordered self.

Yep.

I've definitely read women on here mention how affectionate and loving and romantic men they found out were habitual cheaters and/or sex industry users were towards them presumably they overcompensate for what they know they are & their behaviour behind their partner's back.

Gutterton · 03/06/2020 09:05

These types have led a secret life for decades - they are masters at lies, sneaking around, deception. They use their charm like smoke and mirrors to distract from what they are up to.

BUT in their head 24/7 they are fantasising about their last secret act and plotting the next - they are also frantically keeping track of what they have to cover up, what might trip them up. This is a full time job emotionally - he is totally preoccupied with his addiction and compulsions and the details of how to get it and cover it up. He was not in an emotionally intimate and honest relationship with you. What you thought you had as fake. 24/7 he was somewhere else, with someone else in his head. He wasn’t “there” - he wasn’t emotionally available to you or present.

He did it brilliantly for years. He is still doing it and he will continue to do it - but juts better so you won’t catch him.

Interesting that he went and told everyone first - do you know what he told them? Maybe it was that you were sexually inert, abusive, etc and he was forced to take these actions.

Zhuleva · 03/06/2020 09:08

The hills are waiting for you. Run to them.

Sorry you're going through this - he's a madonna/whore fixated nob end and you deserve someone who won't lie to you about who they are Flowers

GilbertMarkham · 03/06/2020 09:17

He's been a prostitute user all of his adult life, he enjoys it, he gets off on it, it's his default, he couldn't even stop getting turned on when he was talking about it - in the context of being caught by his fiancée and devastating her - he's not going to change.

He'll just return to it when things are more settled, and cover up better.

Zomblie · 03/06/2020 10:08

Run. Run. Run run run. You don't have any kids, you aren't married (yet) and it will never be easier to disentangle yourself.

He. Will. Not. Change.

He has been using prostitutes for years because to him they are there to be used for sex. Please read up on the Madonna/Whore complex as other people have mentioned.

Please think about what you would advise your friend, sister, possible future daughter if she were in the same situation.

LimpLettice · 03/06/2020 10:25

Op, the power dynamic thing you refer to in your original post really leapt out at me and I'm not sure you've picked up on it here. You say you like to be sexually submissive, and ironically, he is into this same power dynamic. Then you mention you spent 4 hours talking about what you like and that he got an erection.

Seems to me what he is saying is that he likes to control and dominate and possibly hurt women sexually, and that type of sex is what he couldn't do to you, so he resorted to paying women to do it instead.

You might like that style of relationship, and that's not a bad thing, many do. But op, and this is important, those relationships have an important basis in love, trust and affection if they are between a proper couple. Rules based in respect. You sound like a fairly sheltered person, apologies if I'm wrong, and he has been practicing these techniques on women who he has absolutely no respect or humanity for. So this wouldn't be some sort of cringeworthy 50 shades love / abuse dynamic, if that's what you're thinking. He has proven that he indulges in what is essentially paid rape, he has told you what he does with these women is not just piv straight sex, but paying them to be hurt and humiliated.

He is NOT in any way a good man, but even if you fall for the excuse that he did it to save you somehow from his perversions that you somehow feel you share, you will never be able to replicate the dehumanised, humiliated degradation he subjects these poor anonymous women too, and by god I hope you wouldn't want to.

Bunnymumy · 03/06/2020 10:38

Absolutely do not stay friends. I'm a christian too and I was raised to see the good in everyone. But some people are evil f*ckers (I actually wish there had been more emphasis on this in what I was taught. But these days they don't like to sound all 'fire and brimstone').

Evil does not change. It only corrupts the good things around it. It is not your job to forgive and redeem. God can do that IF they are worthy.

I know his kind. He will want to 'stay friends' if you end things. Do not do it. That is how they continue to stay by you in order to continue to have control. In a spiritual way...the darkness is always looking for an opportunity, to stamp out the light.

Geppili · 03/06/2020 10:46

I am so sorry this happened to you. The shock and pain must be dreadful. Please look after yourself and DIVORCE him. Do not risk having a child with this weak and messed up man. Thanks

quicknameymcnamechange · 03/06/2020 11:01

I had to name change for this for obvious reasons.

I worked as an escort for a year or so during a very dark time in my life. I met well over 100 men in that time.

I can honestly say without one single exception that despite whether they "feel bad" or not - once a punter always a punter.

Some started young, some started old but once they got that taste, they were hooked. Many would talk about how they couldn't see their wives as sexual beings and many showed me photos of their wives who were largely attractive (in some cases model-like) women who would generally be classed as very sexy.

Most were married. Many would say this was their last time "goodbye" etc. Then they be back with either me or one of the other girls within weeks or months.

It's a sickness that it seems there's no cure from.

GilbertMarkham · 03/06/2020 12:14

Op, the power dynamic thing you refer to in your original post really leapt out at me and I'm not sure you've picked up on it here. You say you like to be sexually submissive

I think a lot of women have submissive tendencies sexually/are turned on by a man being dominating during sex, and a well adjusted, non prostitute using man can explore that with his partner in s positive way.

It's noteworthy that ok felt that she wasn't allowed to discuss it or have it included in their sex life.

He didn't want to do that with his partner (whether that's because he knows he's too extreme or because he can't even do that sort of thing full stop - after all he wasn't even comfortable having sex).

Even if this issue of this were solved (unlikely) his exactly do you get past the constant, repeated cheating and prostitute using during the relationship (and before for that matter)?

GilbertMarkham · 03/06/2020 12:15

*how exactly

GilbertMarkham · 03/06/2020 12:16

*Some started young, some started old but once they got that taste, they were hooked. Many would talk about how they couldn't see their wives as sexual beings and many showed me photos of their wives who were largely attractive (in some cases model-like) women who would generally be classed as very sexy.

Most were married. Many would say this was their last time "goodbye" etc. Then they be back with either me or one of the other girls within weeks or months.

It's a sickness that it seems there's no cure from.*

I have no personal experience but this chimes with my observation and suspicions.

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B1rdbra1n · 03/06/2020 12:21

Quick
it's good of you share your experiences, it sounds as if for many men the ability to just get what they want sexually by paying for it it is an ultimate power trip that they can't come back from:(
So depressing
I'd like to think that the highest goal of sex is the mutual pleasure element, but it seems that for men the pinnacle of sex is pleasure through domination of women☹️

LimpLettice · 03/06/2020 13:26

As I say, nothing wrong with that style of relationship at all, but for the op, trying to explore with a man who has been practicing without love, or respect, on prostitutes for what looks like a decade, even if you could get past the cheating aspect, would likely be a very painful, abusive experience.

LimpLettice · 03/06/2020 13:28

It almost came across to me as he was trying to excuse himself, that is what he likes so that's what he does, and that the op was saying but she likes that too, so maybe it might be okay. Which would be scarily naive in these circumstances I think.

Spied · 03/06/2020 13:36

Why on Earth has he involved everyone else into your private life?

Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 13:44

Thank you so much GikbertMarkham for all your advice and taking the time to do that. I do see that continuing the relationship is condoning it and that the most sensible and rational thing to do is to walk away!

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PinkMonkeyBird · 03/06/2020 13:47

Thank you so much GikbertMarkham for all your advice and taking the time to do that. I do see that continuing the relationship is condoning it and that the most sensible and rational thing to do is to walk away!

Please OP, definitely walk away. I've just read through this thread and it is horrific. You deserve a hell of a lot better than this. Get this horrible person out of your life and move forward.

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