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Found out fiancé has been cheating on me with prostitutes through most of our relationship. Absolutely devastated!

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Bluebell0724 · 02/06/2020 12:56

I thought my relationship was solid F(29) M(31). We had a healthy and incredibly happy relationship. We rarely argued and when we did we would be able to communicate effectively in order to get past it.

We were best friends we would frequently stay up talking into the small hours on a Friday night because we loved each other’s company so much.

My fiancé was the most loving dedicated men id ever met. Told me I was beautiful and he loved me 20x a day. Always tactile and hugging me. We were supposed to be getting married (if cornona would allow) in August.

The only issue was the sex which I tried to fix continuously. We had a good sex life at the beginning it was very passionate and the most exciting I’d experienced initially but it kept decreasing. It went down to once every 2 weeks. (I have a very high sex drive so this wasn’t good)

I always tried to engage in communication about our sex life. It was such a shame how much it had decreased. I have always been a bit of a sexually submissive and had wanted to tell him.

But my attempted communication about sex was always shut down. I was fobbed off and told that he had a low drive and wasn’t that into sex.

I was told that he was faking it at the beginning to please me but that he couldn’t keep it up. I felt like he thought I was an over-sexed pervert.

When I tried to initiate sex I was turned down. When we did have sex he would loose his erection. I bought his excuse hook line and sinker.

A few days ago I was on his phone searching for an email from the company who are providing the decorations for our wedding and I came across an email from the website adult work.

When I opened it up it said ‘this email is not spam you have received it because you have an active account on adult work.com’. I googled it and it was a prostitution website. My heart stopped. My world collapsed at that moment.

I tried to sign in and got his password resent to the email so I could. When I logged in I went into his bookings and saw that he had booked prostitutes.

My fiancé was having a nap so I woke him up and asked him to come into the living room. I showed him what I had found. His face said it all!

He admitted to paying for sex around every two months. He said it had started about 7 months into our relationship and the last time was February this year! I threw him out immediately. The hurt, pain and shock was too much to bare.

Since then and me calming down somewhat he has come round to speak to me about it and answer all of my questions (I have many!). I would say we’ve spoken for at least 40 hours combined.

He said after he’d fallen in love with me he couldn’t see me sexually. He said it was like a switch had turned off and I entered into the not sexual category alongside his mum and sisters.

He said he has been introduced to prostitutes about the age of 19 by older men he new who would take him to brothels after nights out. He said initially he felt uncomfortable but they normalised it to him. He then started paying for sex on his own and had done this all through his 20s (he’s 31 now).

He claimed to only have paid for sex while with me because he wanted to have sex with me but couldn’t. I thought ‘what a load of shit’ but when I logged into adult work and looked at the women. They all looked like me. One frighteningly so much she could be me!

Why would he pay for sex with someone who looks like me rather than actually having sex with me? My confusion grew.

He said he couldn’t. His body and mind wouldn’t allow him to. He said I was his princess and he couldn’t think of me sexually in his mind.

I asked him what he liked sexually. He admitted to liking a power dynamic. Ironically the same power dynamic I like but had always felt I wasn’t allowed to bring up.

He said the power dynamic made him feel like he was abusing me or degrading me and that I was his angel that he couldn’t do that to me. He told me he had put me on a pedestal and that he wouldn’t even allow himself to think of me that way.

I have always been uncomfortable with prostitution (my own personal belief) but I feel there is a lot of exploitation. The idea of him doing degrading things to women he paid made me feel sick and made him seem like a monster.

I told him this he cried and said he was a monster and that the only reason he could do it was because he’d dehumanised the women.

He told me the act of buying sex he had compartmentalised. As if it wasn’t real. He told me he almost saw it as a virtual reality world. But that deep down he understood the severity of his actions as the guilt was heavy. (But as I pointed out not enough guilt to confess or stop.)

Since we spoke about sex and what he liked and what I liked (we probably spoke for 4 hours). He said the blocker has been removed and he’s desperate for sex with me but is obviously respectful and hasn’t pressured. After the conversation his body did seem to be working again. I saw he had an erection and that is something he hadn’t been able to get with me for some time.

The day I found out he phoned all his friends and family and told them what he’d done. One of his sisters has disowned him. He rang our church and told them what he’d done and asked them to help me as I was distraught.

He was also inconsolable so one of the pastors ended up staying on the phone to him for about an hour. The church then contacted me and offered their support.

He has started therapy. And he phones me up or comes round to visit to tell me what was discussed and what insight it has given him into his actions.

He apologises continuously. He has assured me it was nothing to do with me and that I am perfect (to which I always reply no one is perfect’). But human nature is to feel inadequate now which is what I do feel.

I feel like him paying for it over me shows how undesirable I was. But then he keeps reminding me of the women he choose and how they resembled me.

He says I couldn’t have done anymore and that it’s nothing to do with me and that it was his own emotional issues and his own choice to be unfaithful.

He cries and says he will never forgive himself for the betrayal but also for exploiting the women he paid for. He has said that he will support me whatever I want. That he wants to try again and stay together but that he understands the severity of what he’s done and understands that I may never want him back.

It’s all very overwhelming and I am going through such a roller coaster of emotion I don’t know what I want and am not going to rush my decision.

Does anyone have any thoughts on the infidelity? What they would do? Or what they got from what I’ve written?

OP posts:
Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 13:48

Thank you so much quicknameymcnamechange for sharing your experiences and insight. You must have learned so much negatives about men during that year. Thank you for your wisdom

OP posts:
AwrightDoreenTakeAFuckinDayOff · 03/06/2020 14:02

The Madonna whore complex is bad enough.

I’m still troubled that he got an erection when you both talked about all of this. You have had your world shattered, turned upside down, you must have been showing that misery and his Response was to get an erection at your distress?

Fuck that.

And to share it all with everyone. It is almost like he’s enjoying it.

Again fuck that.

You will have no end of pain if you stay.

GilbertMarkham · 03/06/2020 14:08

You are more than welcome op.

I've written a lot (and sorry about the typos, I'm rushing) because I share the outrage and anger on your behalf that pretty much every poster who's commented has; and also the real worry they he (and others who have an interest in this being smoothed over/managed) will use your presumably shared religious community to manipulate you to continue the relationship. You just be devastated and we're all sorry you're going through this, but the sooner and cleaner you break from him, the sooner you can recover and move on. This man offers nothing but a sick farce of a marriage.

SaladSeason · 03/06/2020 14:17

I couldn't agree with you more @AwrightDoreenTakeAFuckinDayOff "it's all ok now because I have a hard on" is hardly empathetic to OP's distress is it. This man has been using prostitutes for more than 10 years. That's not a habit that will be broken in a 4-hour chat. I wouldn't be surprised if he has been back since OP discovered his activity.

It's OP's decision, but it's one that will shape the rest of her life and the lives of her children. If it was me I would be walking away because it's way too big of a risk .

GilbertMarkham · 03/06/2020 14:31

Just to add, even if he were to stop and stay stopped (which is extremely unlikely) it doesn't change what he's done to you. It doesn't change how he has behaved during your relationship.

I wouldn't even advise someone whose fiance had cheated on them once, with a non sex worker, and who has a reasonably active, healthy sex life with them; to continue their relationship, but this .....

I feel so sorry for any woman he gets involved with in future, he's likely to go for someone who couldn't know anything about this avd they'll be walking in blind, and possibly even have kids before they find out Sad.

Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 14:51

Thingsdogetbetter thank you for your level of insight and taking the time to be so detailed in your reply. You're so right. When I tried to talk about sex with him before he would literally shut me down he wouldn’t allow me to even go there, he wouldn’t entertain it at all. He would look disgusted.

When we spoke about that night it was the first time I’d been able to speak and talk about my preferences. He definitely got turned on by it. He likes to bring it up now. He’s become very flirty with me which he wasn’t before. He looks at me in a way he didn’t before, something in his eyes. It’s odd for me to see. It feels weird because I’ve never seen it before

he said ‘there’s me looking for a slut and I had the biggest slut in the country All along’. You’re right if he has this complex I will have moved into the whore category now. During that conversation he’s went from not being able to be sexually aroused by me to telling me exactly what he wants to do to me sexually.

He claims his complex has now disappeared but I think it’s unlikely. He has only had 2 therapy sessions. I have made a massive point about him paying to what I would call abuse these women and how sickened it makes me. He claims to understand and that he didn’t realise the true exploitation of it.

He said he thought the women were happy to do it and enjoyed it. He thought it was okay because he was young and good looking. He said they always seemed happy. I said they have to wear a smile they have no choice.

I corrected him on this view And have showed him women’s real lives experience of selling sex. He seems sincere when he says he has realised how barbaric his actions were but one thing I have learned is I am clearly not a good judge of character especially when it comes to him.

I just want to make sure he never pays to abuse another woman again. I’ve made it my mission to put him off for life. I know people have said men who buy sex never change. Maybe that’s true but I want to try at least before I walk away. I know that’s probably naive and silly.

OP posts:
1235kbm · 03/06/2020 14:55

there’s me looking for a slut and I had the biggest slut in the country All along

OP I suggest you get into therapy as well if you are still entertaining this misogynist piece of shit and his views on women.

Try BACP or UKCP for a therapist.

indecisivelil · 03/06/2020 14:56

Oh Jesus. You are more than silly. I can't even bear to read that you're going to try to heal this man. He doesn't even want to be healed. He called you the 'biggest whore in the world'. Your situation is literally a life and death situation for YOU. You're choosing death. You will lose your life to this man one way or another.

Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 14:56

Gutterton wow! What you wrote is exactly what im feeling it’s like I wrote it myself. Word for word. It’s like my life and my future and all my dreams were crushed in one instant.

OP posts:
Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 14:59

1235kbm is there any type of therapy in particular I should look for. Or just general therapy. I think it may really help because I feel very very low at the moment and very confused.

OP posts:
AwrightDoreenTakeAFuckinDayOff · 03/06/2020 15:03

I think - no I know - If I ever have a partner again, that they’d be gone if they ever thought or expressed I was a slut.

You are not putting him off. You are unwittingly feeding his horrible views on women by staying.

He clearly thinks it is ok to describe you as a slut for having sexual needs. I don’t think his view will ever change.

Women are not equal to him - merely an orifice or a receptacle for HIS needs.

Halestorm · 03/06/2020 15:04

Your intentions are noble but wasted I'm afraid. He knows all that - he knows that sex workers are only having sex with him for money. He knows that many of them don't want to be doing it, are faking it, may be trafficked/pimped and he's fine with it. More than fine, I imagine. He gets off on the idea of women debasing themselves for money.

You are definitely in the whore category now. Which means that the worse he treats you, the more turned on he will get. And someone is going to have to be his Madonna now, and it's not going to be you.

Regarding the religious element - I'm from a religious background and the forgiveness angle meant that for a long time, I thought that I had to forgive poor behaviour and give people endless chances. But then I realised that you can forgive someone fully and truthfully, but it does NOT mean that you must give them another chance. You have every right to walk away even if you forgive.

WhereYouLeftIt · 03/06/2020 15:04

"I just want to make sure he never pays to abuse another woman again. I’ve made it my mission to put him off for life. I know people have said men who buy sex never change. Maybe that’s true but I want to try at least before I walk away. I know that’s probably naive and silly."

It is not naive and silly, Bluebell, it is downright dangerous to you. I'm going to repeat @RhymesWithOrange's excellent advice:

Women are not rehabilitation centres for badly raised men. You want a partner, not a project.

It's NOT your job to fix him. He has been repeatedly unfaithful in the most revolting way throughout your relationship.

You deserve better. You are worth more.

IT IS NOT YOUR JOB TO FIX HIM. Repeat it and repeat it until you accept it. Trying to fix him (he's unfixable) just keeps you in his sphere and he will use that to draw you back in, and next thing you know the whole church is cooing at you that all he needs is the love of a good woman and you end up married to this abusive bastard with no way out.

DO NOT DO IT.

When people here said run, they really meant it. Get as far from him as you can, and stay away. Reject anyone who tells you different, they're telling you that for their benefit not yours. RUN.

Dery · 03/06/2020 15:06

"It’s like my life and my future and all my dreams were crushed in one instant."

Yes - and guess what: they will be gone forever if you stay around this man. This is a man who thinks that women who have a sexual appetite are sluts. How can you possibly be okay with that? What on earth were you taught about women growing up? It is not your job
to fix him and believe us you will not fix him by staying around - he will have no motivation to change. He is deeply fucked up. I'm not sure even the most adept therapist could fix him without many years of the deepest work on him.

You have lived a lie with this man for years. Get away from him and start living truly. Please, please make it your mission to run as fast as possible from him.

As @1235kbm said, given that you are entertaining keeping this incredible woman-hater in your life, you should definitely get into serious therapy for yourself.

1235kbm · 03/06/2020 15:09

@Bluebell0724 .

The type of therapy I would look for is psychodynamic therapy to begin with. It looks at how your past influences your present, so it will hopefully unpack your low self esteem and what led you to where you are now.

Please make sure you wear a condom and get regular STD check ups, at least every six months as he will continue to use sex workers.

I would also advise you to look into The Freedom Programme, the group is better. It will teach you the difference between healthy and unhealthy relationships and you will get support from other women there.

You will be in an open relationship OP as he is not going to remain faithful to you and his behaviour may become increasingly abusive. Using sex workers is already considered abusive behaviour but, he will start to treat you with contempt.

Have very strict boundaries with him as he becomes more aggressive in the bedroom. Don't fall into the trap of going along with whatever he wants in order to keep him faithful. He is not going to remain faithful.

This is not going to end well OP.

Fluffycloudland77 · 03/06/2020 15:11

You can’t fix him. Life doesn’t work like that. It’s not a movie.

He likes paying random women to have sex with him & that won’t stop.

Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 15:12

Awrightdoreen yes you’re right and I don’t want to feed this view anymore so I just need to cut him off completely.

OP posts:
AwrightDoreenTakeAFuckinDayOff · 03/06/2020 15:13

@Halestorm has it

You are definitely in the whore category now. Which means that the worse he treats you, the more turned on he will get. And someone is going to have to be his Madonna now, and it's not going to be you

He thinks your discomfort and distress is a turn on. He showed you that.

Dear OP, exactly how miserable will he have to keep making you so that he can get turned on enough to have a ‘good’ fuck? What is acceptable? A sad face? Tears? Flinching? Screaming?

Someone’s unhappiness should never ever be turn on. Sad

I’m sorry to be so crass but you aren’t ever going to get him making love to you now. And he needs more than a tender touch to get him going by the sounds of it.

You cannot heal him. You cannot fix him. You are now as sullied as the rest of those ‘dirty women’ in his head.

Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 15:14

Thanks Halestorm it’s just frustrating and I had this desire to stop him. But I suppose me going on and on about prostitution statistics and ethics can only do so much. If that’s what he likes that’s what he likes. He denies getting off on paying for it but that’s unlikely to be true

OP posts:
Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 15:16

Whereyouleftit thanks wise advice!

OP posts:
AwrightDoreenTakeAFuckinDayOff · 03/06/2020 15:16

Sorry, cross post OP.

Sweet, you deserve better. Down this road that you are describing lies only misery.

One step at a time down the other road. Don’t look back love Flowers

AwrightDoreenTakeAFuckinDayOff · 03/06/2020 15:18

And it isn’t a turn on paying for it.

He is paying to do what HE likes. It isn’t about the woman. God only knows what he is asking of them. Or how he speaks to them Sad

Dery · 03/06/2020 15:18

@Bluebell0724

You know - you are doing so well. You are obviously strong. You've had your life plans smashed to smithereens and are in the midst of learning several incredibly painful lessons (believe me - the lessons will be very valuable in the long run but that doesn't make it any less hard now). And you're taking on board the advice to cut this man off despite your initial desire being to give him another chance.

You've been through a huge amount of emotional upheaval in a very short space of time. Keep posting here but also - do you have any RL support to help you process this and help you protect yourself from this dreadful man and his flying monkeys?

Pamper yourself and reach out for support as much as you can.

CorianderLord · 03/06/2020 15:19

So Madonna whore complex then. I wouldn't want to be with anyone who saw other women as objects to be used for sex. Especially not if it meant he wasn't satisfying me.

He sounds fucking mental.

Onacleardayyoucansee · 03/06/2020 15:24

Yes OP, get into therapy.

Why do you think this man is a suitable/adequate partner?

This means that something is not right with you, that needs addressing.
A healthy woman would run a mile.

What did you learn from your parents about relationships when you were growing up?

I cannot articulate and emphasise enough what a huge mistake it will be to stay in relationship with this man.
It will ruin you.

You have an opportunity to escape.
Go and do your healing work.
All the effort you are prepared to put into making sure he x y and z needs to be chanelled into saving your own life and sanity.

The least damage you can leave with is what you have already sustained.
Take that hit and exit.