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Found out fiancé has been cheating on me with prostitutes through most of our relationship. Absolutely devastated!

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Bluebell0724 · 02/06/2020 12:56

I thought my relationship was solid F(29) M(31). We had a healthy and incredibly happy relationship. We rarely argued and when we did we would be able to communicate effectively in order to get past it.

We were best friends we would frequently stay up talking into the small hours on a Friday night because we loved each other’s company so much.

My fiancé was the most loving dedicated men id ever met. Told me I was beautiful and he loved me 20x a day. Always tactile and hugging me. We were supposed to be getting married (if cornona would allow) in August.

The only issue was the sex which I tried to fix continuously. We had a good sex life at the beginning it was very passionate and the most exciting I’d experienced initially but it kept decreasing. It went down to once every 2 weeks. (I have a very high sex drive so this wasn’t good)

I always tried to engage in communication about our sex life. It was such a shame how much it had decreased. I have always been a bit of a sexually submissive and had wanted to tell him.

But my attempted communication about sex was always shut down. I was fobbed off and told that he had a low drive and wasn’t that into sex.

I was told that he was faking it at the beginning to please me but that he couldn’t keep it up. I felt like he thought I was an over-sexed pervert.

When I tried to initiate sex I was turned down. When we did have sex he would loose his erection. I bought his excuse hook line and sinker.

A few days ago I was on his phone searching for an email from the company who are providing the decorations for our wedding and I came across an email from the website adult work.

When I opened it up it said ‘this email is not spam you have received it because you have an active account on adult work.com’. I googled it and it was a prostitution website. My heart stopped. My world collapsed at that moment.

I tried to sign in and got his password resent to the email so I could. When I logged in I went into his bookings and saw that he had booked prostitutes.

My fiancé was having a nap so I woke him up and asked him to come into the living room. I showed him what I had found. His face said it all!

He admitted to paying for sex around every two months. He said it had started about 7 months into our relationship and the last time was February this year! I threw him out immediately. The hurt, pain and shock was too much to bare.

Since then and me calming down somewhat he has come round to speak to me about it and answer all of my questions (I have many!). I would say we’ve spoken for at least 40 hours combined.

He said after he’d fallen in love with me he couldn’t see me sexually. He said it was like a switch had turned off and I entered into the not sexual category alongside his mum and sisters.

He said he has been introduced to prostitutes about the age of 19 by older men he new who would take him to brothels after nights out. He said initially he felt uncomfortable but they normalised it to him. He then started paying for sex on his own and had done this all through his 20s (he’s 31 now).

He claimed to only have paid for sex while with me because he wanted to have sex with me but couldn’t. I thought ‘what a load of shit’ but when I logged into adult work and looked at the women. They all looked like me. One frighteningly so much she could be me!

Why would he pay for sex with someone who looks like me rather than actually having sex with me? My confusion grew.

He said he couldn’t. His body and mind wouldn’t allow him to. He said I was his princess and he couldn’t think of me sexually in his mind.

I asked him what he liked sexually. He admitted to liking a power dynamic. Ironically the same power dynamic I like but had always felt I wasn’t allowed to bring up.

He said the power dynamic made him feel like he was abusing me or degrading me and that I was his angel that he couldn’t do that to me. He told me he had put me on a pedestal and that he wouldn’t even allow himself to think of me that way.

I have always been uncomfortable with prostitution (my own personal belief) but I feel there is a lot of exploitation. The idea of him doing degrading things to women he paid made me feel sick and made him seem like a monster.

I told him this he cried and said he was a monster and that the only reason he could do it was because he’d dehumanised the women.

He told me the act of buying sex he had compartmentalised. As if it wasn’t real. He told me he almost saw it as a virtual reality world. But that deep down he understood the severity of his actions as the guilt was heavy. (But as I pointed out not enough guilt to confess or stop.)

Since we spoke about sex and what he liked and what I liked (we probably spoke for 4 hours). He said the blocker has been removed and he’s desperate for sex with me but is obviously respectful and hasn’t pressured. After the conversation his body did seem to be working again. I saw he had an erection and that is something he hadn’t been able to get with me for some time.

The day I found out he phoned all his friends and family and told them what he’d done. One of his sisters has disowned him. He rang our church and told them what he’d done and asked them to help me as I was distraught.

He was also inconsolable so one of the pastors ended up staying on the phone to him for about an hour. The church then contacted me and offered their support.

He has started therapy. And he phones me up or comes round to visit to tell me what was discussed and what insight it has given him into his actions.

He apologises continuously. He has assured me it was nothing to do with me and that I am perfect (to which I always reply no one is perfect’). But human nature is to feel inadequate now which is what I do feel.

I feel like him paying for it over me shows how undesirable I was. But then he keeps reminding me of the women he choose and how they resembled me.

He says I couldn’t have done anymore and that it’s nothing to do with me and that it was his own emotional issues and his own choice to be unfaithful.

He cries and says he will never forgive himself for the betrayal but also for exploiting the women he paid for. He has said that he will support me whatever I want. That he wants to try again and stay together but that he understands the severity of what he’s done and understands that I may never want him back.

It’s all very overwhelming and I am going through such a roller coaster of emotion I don’t know what I want and am not going to rush my decision.

Does anyone have any thoughts on the infidelity? What they would do? Or what they got from what I’ve written?

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GilbertMarkham · 03/06/2020 16:44

he will just be managing you at the moment, saying whatever to whoever to keep you on side.

Another good point - you have no idea (and not do we though we can be skeptical of course) whether anything he is saying is really true. At this point he wants his respectable cover back, he wants control back and he will say and do anything he thinks will work.

How much truth there is in any of it, who knows

All you know is that he is a long-term, habitual user of prostitutes who didn't stop in a serious relationship, with a wedding planned for this summer, and lies to his partner. You'd never have known if IT hadn't tripped him up.

You also know he couldnt offer you a healthy, normal sex life after the initial months of your relationship.

You know he has a front, that is completely at odds with his behaviour in the background; you know he'd a "double lifer".

Everything else is just noise, just his mouth moving.

What would you advise a good friend you cared about if this was her bf/fiancé?

Do that.

It hurts, we know, but the pain will fade. Continuing the relationship will involve much more pain.

You will meet someone else.

SaladSeason · 03/06/2020 16:45

he will never use prostitutes again because he didn’t realise how disgusting and exploitative it was

You bought that?

He didn't realise? Seriously you can't accept that.

Do you want to be with a man who can't even work out that he is exploiting women in the most disgusting way. Do you want him to father your children?

Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 16:46

@Onacleardayyoucansee I definitely have issues with self esteem I need to sort out. Obviously before I found out I thought he treated me so well and I was so happy to have someone who was so lovely to me I felt so happy to finally be happy and it is very daunting to walk away even though it’s the only logical choice. It happened a week ago and I am still in shock and I don’t think my brain has processed it properly as it was so unexpected. But I can’t stay with him and the sooner I cut it off the better

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GilbertMarkham · 03/06/2020 16:47

He also has some very close female friends which I thought was a good sign but obviously not

Do they know about his prostitute use (including while in relationships)?

FizzyGreenWater · 03/06/2020 16:47

When we spoke about that night it was the first time I’d been able to speak and talk about my preferences. He definitely got turned on by it. He likes to bring it up now. He’s become very flirty with me which he wasn’t before. He looks at me in a way he didn’t before, something in his eyes. It’s odd for me to see. It feels weird because I’ve never seen it before

he said ‘there’s me looking for a slut and I had the biggest slut in the country All along’. You’re right if he has this complex I will have moved into the whore category now. During that conversation he’s went from not being able to be sexually aroused by me to telling me exactly what he wants to do to me sexually.

You know what has actually happened here? Your willingness to talk and look as if you want to 'sort this out' has basically been read by this absolute bottom feeder as a kind of grovelling. You're there with him, now you know all, and you're talking about sex. With him. Neon sign: Oh I can abuse her after all. She will let me. And up comes 'that look in his eyes' - which is basically a pure misogynist pig pervert looking at the next thing he wants to use.

He is absolutely sickmaking.

Please don't degrade yourself further by sharing one more second of airspace with this absolute turd of a man.

He has no soul. He'll say whatever he thinks it takes now as he can see a future where he can use and degrade you whilst still getting his home comforts met and still see prostitutes (because why would he stop?! - he'd have to be more careful not to get caught, of course, but you're a slut, remember, not a person - no need to respect you).

He quite literally makes me feel sick.

Sever ties asap.

FizzyGreenWater · 03/06/2020 16:49

Oh and he's not even convincing is he?!

He didn't realise prostitute use wasn't nice!

He's had a terrible complex but he's cured now!

Fuck off you pig.

Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 16:52

@TorkTorkBam I genuinely believed he was asexual or low testosterone and because I was so happy otherwise I thought he was such a positive and loving force in my life I’d be crazy to let him go. When he turned down my pleas to talk about the dead bedroom I thought it was embarrassment and shame because he felt inadequate and had issues like erectile dysfunction which I can imagine some men get touchy about

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Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 16:55

@MarronCat yes I’m not as angry as I should be and I think a large part of that is he’s being so remorseful and self deprecating and apologetic and overly caring when I do get the anger it’s hard to keep it up

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MarronCat · 03/06/2020 16:55

Bluebell0724 - There's a disconnect going on in your recent talks with him. You are trying to help him - to make him see there's a better way; a better way to treat women; a better way to live life going forward. But he's just trying to make himself feel better and look better, to you and the community. To convince you, others and himself that he's really a nice guy, he's lost his way, he made a mistake. But he's really the complete opposite of a nice guy. This long-term use of prostitutes, how he views women, it's so pathological, he's busted out his brain with this bullshit.

Of course it takes time for your mind to come around to this, OP, only very recently you thought everything was perfect and were planning a wedding. But it's time to see him for who he really is - a loser, a creep, a lost cause, a wolf in sheep's clothing. Of course it's 'in one ear and out the other' - he thinks with his dick and is just trying to pacify you. To make out he's still a nice guy. Forget the words, look at the behavior. He doesn't actually care about women or wanting to treat them better, he just wants you to think he's still a nice guy, because that makes HIM feel better.

QuentinWinters · 03/06/2020 16:58

he will never use prostitutes again because he didn’t realise how disgusting and exploitative it was
My ex said that about webcam sex workers. We stayed together 5 years after I found out, during which time he carried on using them and when I found out again I felt like a mug.

Basically he's trying every trick to get you to STFU and forgive him. He won't stop but he's learning how to push your buttons so it's your fault.

Don't be me. Walk away with your head held high.

GilbertMarkham · 03/06/2020 16:59

I explained women are whole people and that are sexuality wasn’t dependant on objectification to men. He listened and looked like he was taking it in but it probably went in one ear and out the other

You shouldn't have to explain it.

Well adjusted, mentally normal people don't need things like that explained.

His habitual, long-term use of prostitutes (and belief that they're sluts who enjoy the sex) shows he's not well adjusted.

He's not relationship material, he's not marriage material and he's not even friend/acquaintance material.

It's confusing when people appear normal and well adjusted and you find out stuff like this about them but it happens all the time. People thought ted bundy was a respectable, fairly intelligent, fairly academic normal American guy, he had a girlfriend. It's an extreme example but it shows that people just don't know, can't tell and don't imagine it.

I mean how many people in the 80s lusted aftervand looked up to inxs singer Michael hutchence and I think he ended up dead asphyxiating himself for the thrill while wanking .. there's "nowt as queer as folk".

You know what he is now, he's extremely unlikely to change, his beliefs, his way of seeing the world and people, his values are entrenched. Even if he did (so unlikely) you still shouldn't continue the relationship with what he's done to you.

He'd think he could do anything, I mean anything and you'd stay in a relationship with him.

rosecreakybex · 03/06/2020 17:00

When he uses prostitutes he wasn't "looking for sluts" he was looking for women to act like sluts in return for money. If they were "sluts" (what the fuck does that even mean?!?!?!) surely they wouldn't be charging him.

The fact that any male can fail to see that it's a transaction is astounding and actually I think I'd prefer for him to realise that they weren't enjoying it than to be so deluded to think they were! He'd still be a dirty lying asshole but at least not a stupid one

rosecreakybex · 03/06/2020 17:02

I think you need to stop talking to him and letting him smother you with his pathetic pretend remorse and surround yourself with people who find it disgusting. Tell friends. Family etc.... change the narrative that your currently being exposed to by him

BumbleBeee69 · 03/06/2020 17:06

gawd he gets more repulsive by the conversation....

GilbertMarkham · 03/06/2020 17:07

Oh and I believe in his little fucked up, misogynistic mind, when he said "I was looking for a slut and here I had the biggest slut in the country ball along" or words to that effect, he thinks you will conclude;

"Oh he just thought I'm strait laced and a good girl, he didn't want to embarrass himself showing me what he really likes and he didnt want to inflict that on me so he went looking for women he knew would be into it; but now we've had this conversation and I'm not shocked, and I've told him I like being dominated, I like things that aren't all about being sweet, tender, loving and respectful etc., he knows he can have "dirty" sex with me, he doesn't need to go looking for other women any more, our sex life I'd going to be good, and this relationship will work!!!".

He seriously thinks you'll fall for that. He was trying to compliment you as being superior in sluttiness to any other woman - so he'll now be satisfied with you, thinking it will keep you in the relationship.

MarronCat · 03/06/2020 17:08

Bluebell0724 - please don't beat yourself up now about having low self esteem etc, this can always be worked on in future. You really did nothing wrong here. You're a decent and sweet person, you've been conned and you've had an awful shock. There's a process now where you'll feel all kinds of emotion, conflict, grief etc, it's all normal, and people here will support you, you're not alone with this.

How dare he lead you on like this, it's like being a victim of fraud. And all this while pretending to be a nice guy goody-goody going to church?! A billion times YUCK. He's nothing but a shitty ugly insect that should just be flicked away.

Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 17:08

@GilbertMarkham well exactly and I keep saying this to him. He’s begging me constantly this is the stuff he keeps saying:

‘just give me one more shot. You can hate me and I will still love you. You can wake up and call me a C* every morning and I don’t care. I deserve it o know I’m disgusting. Now the sexual barrier has gone I love you completely. I’ve never loved another woman and I never will after you. I know your love has gone down for me but I accept that. I want my life with you forever and I will make it my mission to rebuild trust and hopefully you can love me properly again. I will be the most dedicated husband to you forever. I will never hurt you again I couldn’t see the pain on your face again that was the worst moment of my life. I know it would destroy you I would be evil to do it again. I don’t want anyone else. I never did I only ever wanted you but I physically couldn’t sexualise you. I wanted to but I couldn’t. Why do you think the girls I paid looked so much like you? I wanted them to be you. I don’t want any other woman I want you. Now I can have you my sexual desire for you is stronger than any sexual desire I’ve ever had in my life. It just fills me with excitement. We are strong enough to get through this. You can put a tracker on my phone. Have access to all my accounts, you can keep my bank cards with you at all times if you want and I will just did Apple Pay’ etc etc

There’s more but off the top of my head that’s some of the stuff he keeps saying

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TorkTorkBam · 03/06/2020 17:10

Men might get touchy about it yes and I understand how you decided to accept it.

What I am getting at is how that experience and decision is completely at odds with this statement:
We had a healthy and incredibly happy relationship. We rarely argued and when we did we would be able to communicate effectively in order to get past it.

You did not have a healthy relationship. The sex was absent and you two were unable to talk about it. You felt like a pervert you said.

It was not an incredibly happy relationship. Your sexual needs were not being met at all. You felt like a pervert. He was so touchy you avoided discussion.

You rarely argued. Well, that's a bad sign when you have a big issue in your relationship that you are both avoiding.

You 100% failed to communicate effectively in order to get past your sex problems even before you found out he was getting it elsewhere.

Sex is a massive part of a romantic relationship. That's what makes it more than being just good friends or housemates.

You see this is evidence that you were in denial about the state of the relationship even before you caught him being a lying cheating sleazy pervert.

That makes me wonder what else you were in denial about.

Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 17:14

@QuentinWinters thank you for sharing your story. This is the issue as well isn’t it? And I’ve said this to him. The first time it happens you are looked at compassionately. The second time not so much because you took him back. That’s how people view it so it must hurt more yet you have less support

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longwayoff · 03/06/2020 17:15

No no no no no no OP. He is not a healthy person. You can't fix him. Nothing but unhappiness and disappointment lie ahead of you if you dont lose him. Run.

Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 17:18

@MarronCat thank you ☺️

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GilbertMarkham · 03/06/2020 17:18

he’s being so remorseful and self deprecating and apologetic and overly caring

Funny how he didn't manage to feel any of those while he was off having (presumably) penetrative sex and blow jobs from.prostitutes, and coming back to you after (you've been living together for part of the relationship, right?). And you'd never have even found out if it weren't for that mail/text.

Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 17:20

@TorkTorkBam yes so true. Because he treated me nicely unlike my last relationship I thought I’d won the jackpot even though there was still the issue about sex. I even felt guilty for asking so often and pushing it

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GilbertMarkham · 03/06/2020 17:22

We are strong enough to get through this

That's called "forced teaming" and is an abuser/manipulator tactic.

MarronCat · 03/06/2020 17:23

Bluebell0724 - you need to stop talking to him,. All that stuff he's said recently, it's like a horrible old fat spider trying to lure you into a web. Please don't let him take advantage of your good nature any more. You're too smart for this.

He had been using prostitutes for many years, long before he ever met you. This was a serious problem before you ever were on the scene. He's trying to make out like it's somehow your fault and he's hoping you are dumb enough to fall for it.

Run.