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Found out fiancé has been cheating on me with prostitutes through most of our relationship. Absolutely devastated!

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Bluebell0724 · 02/06/2020 12:56

I thought my relationship was solid F(29) M(31). We had a healthy and incredibly happy relationship. We rarely argued and when we did we would be able to communicate effectively in order to get past it.

We were best friends we would frequently stay up talking into the small hours on a Friday night because we loved each other’s company so much.

My fiancé was the most loving dedicated men id ever met. Told me I was beautiful and he loved me 20x a day. Always tactile and hugging me. We were supposed to be getting married (if cornona would allow) in August.

The only issue was the sex which I tried to fix continuously. We had a good sex life at the beginning it was very passionate and the most exciting I’d experienced initially but it kept decreasing. It went down to once every 2 weeks. (I have a very high sex drive so this wasn’t good)

I always tried to engage in communication about our sex life. It was such a shame how much it had decreased. I have always been a bit of a sexually submissive and had wanted to tell him.

But my attempted communication about sex was always shut down. I was fobbed off and told that he had a low drive and wasn’t that into sex.

I was told that he was faking it at the beginning to please me but that he couldn’t keep it up. I felt like he thought I was an over-sexed pervert.

When I tried to initiate sex I was turned down. When we did have sex he would loose his erection. I bought his excuse hook line and sinker.

A few days ago I was on his phone searching for an email from the company who are providing the decorations for our wedding and I came across an email from the website adult work.

When I opened it up it said ‘this email is not spam you have received it because you have an active account on adult work.com’. I googled it and it was a prostitution website. My heart stopped. My world collapsed at that moment.

I tried to sign in and got his password resent to the email so I could. When I logged in I went into his bookings and saw that he had booked prostitutes.

My fiancé was having a nap so I woke him up and asked him to come into the living room. I showed him what I had found. His face said it all!

He admitted to paying for sex around every two months. He said it had started about 7 months into our relationship and the last time was February this year! I threw him out immediately. The hurt, pain and shock was too much to bare.

Since then and me calming down somewhat he has come round to speak to me about it and answer all of my questions (I have many!). I would say we’ve spoken for at least 40 hours combined.

He said after he’d fallen in love with me he couldn’t see me sexually. He said it was like a switch had turned off and I entered into the not sexual category alongside his mum and sisters.

He said he has been introduced to prostitutes about the age of 19 by older men he new who would take him to brothels after nights out. He said initially he felt uncomfortable but they normalised it to him. He then started paying for sex on his own and had done this all through his 20s (he’s 31 now).

He claimed to only have paid for sex while with me because he wanted to have sex with me but couldn’t. I thought ‘what a load of shit’ but when I logged into adult work and looked at the women. They all looked like me. One frighteningly so much she could be me!

Why would he pay for sex with someone who looks like me rather than actually having sex with me? My confusion grew.

He said he couldn’t. His body and mind wouldn’t allow him to. He said I was his princess and he couldn’t think of me sexually in his mind.

I asked him what he liked sexually. He admitted to liking a power dynamic. Ironically the same power dynamic I like but had always felt I wasn’t allowed to bring up.

He said the power dynamic made him feel like he was abusing me or degrading me and that I was his angel that he couldn’t do that to me. He told me he had put me on a pedestal and that he wouldn’t even allow himself to think of me that way.

I have always been uncomfortable with prostitution (my own personal belief) but I feel there is a lot of exploitation. The idea of him doing degrading things to women he paid made me feel sick and made him seem like a monster.

I told him this he cried and said he was a monster and that the only reason he could do it was because he’d dehumanised the women.

He told me the act of buying sex he had compartmentalised. As if it wasn’t real. He told me he almost saw it as a virtual reality world. But that deep down he understood the severity of his actions as the guilt was heavy. (But as I pointed out not enough guilt to confess or stop.)

Since we spoke about sex and what he liked and what I liked (we probably spoke for 4 hours). He said the blocker has been removed and he’s desperate for sex with me but is obviously respectful and hasn’t pressured. After the conversation his body did seem to be working again. I saw he had an erection and that is something he hadn’t been able to get with me for some time.

The day I found out he phoned all his friends and family and told them what he’d done. One of his sisters has disowned him. He rang our church and told them what he’d done and asked them to help me as I was distraught.

He was also inconsolable so one of the pastors ended up staying on the phone to him for about an hour. The church then contacted me and offered their support.

He has started therapy. And he phones me up or comes round to visit to tell me what was discussed and what insight it has given him into his actions.

He apologises continuously. He has assured me it was nothing to do with me and that I am perfect (to which I always reply no one is perfect’). But human nature is to feel inadequate now which is what I do feel.

I feel like him paying for it over me shows how undesirable I was. But then he keeps reminding me of the women he choose and how they resembled me.

He says I couldn’t have done anymore and that it’s nothing to do with me and that it was his own emotional issues and his own choice to be unfaithful.

He cries and says he will never forgive himself for the betrayal but also for exploiting the women he paid for. He has said that he will support me whatever I want. That he wants to try again and stay together but that he understands the severity of what he’s done and understands that I may never want him back.

It’s all very overwhelming and I am going through such a roller coaster of emotion I don’t know what I want and am not going to rush my decision.

Does anyone have any thoughts on the infidelity? What they would do? Or what they got from what I’ve written?

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MarronCat · 03/06/2020 15:59

Oh OP, I'm sorry you're having to face this. You're sweet and you've got your head screwed on, you'll find someone far better in the end. In time and in the end, you will just put this down as one of those life experiences where you really had your eyes opened about men. Which reminds me of a quote I like - 'the more I learn about men, the more I love my cat'. I had some hair-raising experiences with men before I finally found a decent man and married at 37. Some of the stuff I could tell you Confused Hmm. It can really be a disturbing minefield out there. Yours is one of the worst cases I've ever heard of.

As others have already said here, he involved other people so that he could paint himself as someone who wants redemption, can be saved by the love of a good women, for people to thing he's still a goody-goody, so he could salvage a nice life for himself. It's a disgrace. He was never a good man, you never had a perfect life, just sadly an illusion of one. And it won't get better. It might seem better for a while, until you catch him again. I'm SO relieved you hadn't already married him and don't have kids with him - this is a wonderful get-out card handed right to you, so for goodness sake - GET OUT and RUN.

I understand you wanting to help him. It's a noble intention and because you are a sweet and good person. But it is naive. He doesn't deserve it and also it will not work. Say what you need to say to him on your terms, get it all off your chest if you need to, and then cut him dead. You are young and lovely and staying with him will ruin your life. Listen to the good people here, I'm begging you, we've been around the block with men and we know how this always plays out! I'm very disturbed by this man's character.

I really hope you feel better soon, keep posting if it helps you - we're not going to get bored of hearing about it, don't worry about that. Remember, he cheated on you and led you to believe he was something he absolutely wasn't, it most people's book this is reason enough to cut him dead and never look back. And that's without getting into the while Madonna/whore thing, the way he views women and the fact that he used prostitutes, all of which is just absolutely dire and dreadful. Forget him and think of yourself. You WILL get over this in time just fine, I can absolutely 100% promise you that. Flowers

Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 15:59

@PicsInRed so sorry to hear about what you’re going through Flowers

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backseatcookers · 03/06/2020 16:00

there’s me looking for a slut and I had the biggest slut in the country All along’.

Oh my fucking god.

Stop talking to this disgusting man.

You know what would happen if you ever did have sex with him and get back together? Nothing would ever be "enough".

"Well you said you liked it like this but if you don't want to do anal I guess I'll have to go back to using prostitutes" etc

It is not women's job to fix men who are broken.

You say you are religious, so think of it this way - he's going to ask the church for help (he says) so it's in God's hands now.

Would God want you to be degraded and called "the biggest slut in the country"?

I don't believe in God but if you do then surely you think he's better qualified to fix this excuse of a man than you are.

Please stop engaging with him he is absolutely disgusting and at the moment you are too naive and too in shock to be strong enough to not let him play games.

Thanks
Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 16:03

@MarronCat thank you. That gives me some hope as I don’t feel very hopeful at the moment.

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Mollymalone123 · 03/06/2020 16:03

At least you have your answers.he needed counselling and you need to walk away .so sorry 💐 you could never fix this

Prettybubblesintheair · 03/06/2020 16:05

How can you believe that him knowing how exploitative that industry in will stop him doing it you now know he sees women the way he does? Surely knowing that they’re all being exploited and degraded just turns him on even more? You can’t believe this bullshit he’s coming out with.

Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 16:07

@PicsInRed yes I did put that to him he said not consciously. He said there might have been some resentment from his first girlfriend but that he doesn’t think it’s linked.

This is all so shocking to me because I really thought he loved women. He treated me very well and after coming out of a really really bad relationship before where I was treated terribly I thought I’d won the jackpot. He also has some very close female friends which I thought was a good sign but obviously not

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Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 16:10

@CorianderLord yes I suppose anything is possible now. I thought I knew him but clearly I didn’t. He has never shown any sign of violence or even aggression towards me but I accept I don’t know him at all really

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Prettybubblesintheair · 03/06/2020 16:13

Sorry, didn’t phrase that very well. So he’s telling you that now he knows that:

A) The sex industry is exploitive and degrading to most women in it.

B) you’re the “biggest slut in the country”

He will never use prostitutes again? Firstly, he gets off on degrading women. Why would knowing that they are being exploited and degraded put him off? It’ll just turn him on. Secondly, if you let him talk to you like that he will just get worse and worse. He’ll abuse you sexually and treat you like dirt ALL THE WHILE USING PROSTITUES. Your life is worth so much more than that.

PicsInRed · 03/06/2020 16:14

so sorry to hear about what you’re going through

You're very kind, thank you. Let it be your warning. It's what these guys - surprisingly similar, as it's a "type" - are like to the woman they "love" when they have her stuck, especially if she has the audacity to later leave. It is a nightmare you have the forewarning to avoid. Please, please extract yourself. You are closer to the abyss than you realise.

He also has some very close female friends which I thought was a good sign but obviously not

A man like this doesn't have friends. He has allies. He uses them as a mask of plausibility and respectibility. You, as his wife, would be nothing more than another of these "good guy" masks. He needs that now more than ever - but he will eventually devalue and punish you, blame you for his excesses and will convince others that this is true. These men are so dangerous.

Run lovely. Run. 💐

Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 16:16

@prettybubblesintheair valid point!

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rosecreakybex · 03/06/2020 16:18

But he didn't treat you well... treating you well would have been having sex with you and making sure you enjoyed it. Even aside from everything else, that alone should have been reason for you to feel undervalued and to look for better

MarronCat · 03/06/2020 16:18

Bluebell0724 - yes, it's completely understand that you feel this way right now. I think staying in touch with him will only prolong it too, it only muddies the water, you know? But of course, this is up to you.

I would strongly recommend telling him and other people that you need time alone to come to terms with everything; it's been a terrible shock. There is absolutely nothing wrong with never speaking to him again if that's what helps you, it's only what he deserves anyway.

Your life is not over - on the contrary, your life has been saved! Yes, you are going to feel dreadful for a while, it's all part of the process. A process that will end and make you a stronger and more experienced woman. And there are good people here that understand and have been through similar things. Do hold on to the fact that's it's an extremely good thing that you found out all this before you married him.

Unfortunately it seems that all of us have to learn about evil in some point in our lives. How many times have we heard someone say of a cheating husband/criminal/rapist/murderer, whatever the case may be, ''oh, but he seemed so nice, who knew?''. It's disturbing and scary and makes us want to run away and hide for a long time. They are in the minority though and we do heal and learn in the end, you will do the same. Flowers Flowers Flowers

Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 16:18

@PicsInRed thank you for the advice I didn’t look at it like that.

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Bunnymumy · 03/06/2020 16:18

Might be wise to Google narcissistic hoovering so that you can prepare yourself for what to expect when he realises you arent taking him back. There are some good youtube videos on it.

Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 16:19

Thank you @MarronCat

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GilbertMarkham · 03/06/2020 16:29

there’s me looking for a slut and I had the biggest slut in the country All along’.

Where to start;

Paying a prostitute to have sex with you isn't "looking for a slut" ... Prostitutes aren't sluts - they're actually sort of the opposite. They don't "give their favours freely" because they're not free. They do it to make money because they choose that route to make money (they are often disadvantaged, and have often suffered abuse which makes that choice less of a real choice of course).

The fact that he doesn't see that - and sees them as sluts (I presume he's referring to his repeated prostitute visits there, or is he also saying he was looking to cheat on you with non prostitutes if he thought they were sluts?) goes to show his mindset, his beliefs I suppose and how delusional and pathetic they are.

He says he thought they enjoyed it ... That confirms the above. He's delusional, he's mental.

Onto you apparently now being a "slut" since you've shared that you might enjoy something other than missionary sex with the lights off and an old school Spanish style sheet with a strategically placed hole in it between the partners, after which you're sick into a bed side bucket .....

I doubt you said anything much out of the ordinary for a normal woman who isn't asexual; yet that makes you a slut, and not only a slut but the biggest slut in the country ....further shows his fucked up, odd, disturbing, pathetic views on women, women's sexuality and sex.

There is no fixing this level of crazy.

Onacleardayyoucansee · 03/06/2020 16:30

He cant give you any answers OP, he will just be managing you at the moment, saying whatever to whoever to keep you on side.
He has his own deep issues that he needs to work on.

Focus on you, you mention a previous bad relationship, and a childhood where you were in a war zone.
If you dont address this stuff you will not have secure or satisfying relationships.
I know women in their 60's still on this sick rollercoaster.

Why is being with a man who cheats on you with prostitutes a better alternative than being alone and working on yourself, your past, your boundaries.
Can you see how obvious the right thing is?

We can all see it.
Why are you even deliberating it?
Thats what the problem is there, low self esteem, poor boundaries, lying to yourself (its ok) its not ok!

This could be a, turning point for you, a journey of healing and discovery.
Choose YOU.
Your future self will love you for it.

GilbertMarkham · 03/06/2020 16:32

Oh and this guy's search for a "slut" is perpetual, it won't stop because he thinks you're one now (like he wants you to believe).

Even his use of the word slut shows such an attitude towards women.

Tootletum · 03/06/2020 16:33

@GilbertMarkham yes exactly. It's the context, particularly what OP has subsequently said about him, that makes this guy a toxic loser. I've been out with all sorts of twats but the virgin/whore guys are the most irredeemable (I used to be drawn to them like an idiotic moth). The use of prostitutes is the symptom of that, and I think it's too deeply rooted for any fixing. He's basically a nutjob.

GilbertMarkham · 03/06/2020 16:35

I’ve made it my mission to put him off for life.

You.are.wasting.your.time.

Leave it to the professionals, I'm sure there are many programmes for sex industry clients who'd like to be rehabilitated ....

And I'm sure they don't work on him, but whatever.

Every minute you indulge in trying to analyse him and fix him you are still engaging with him, involved with him, not getting the distance you need to disengage and recover. You'll get dragged back in.

MarronCat · 03/06/2020 16:38

GilbertMarkham - I know right, I was already shocked enough as it was and then this line about how's he found the 'biggest slut', I shuddered for real. He's just a lost cause. Talk about a wolf in sheep's clothing. Blegggggh.

TorkTorkBam · 03/06/2020 16:39

When you reflect over the coming weeks I expect you will identify a whole raft of red flags.

The lack of sex when you aren't even married yet was a definite red flag.

There was a red flag with how he demeaned and dismissed you when you tried to talk about the sex problems. He made you feel like a pervert yourself.

You've got to ask yourself how on earth you felt it truthful to write
We had a healthy and incredibly happy relationship. We rarely argued and when we did we would be able to communicate effectively in order to get past it.

It seems like you were doing that thing of If you exclude all the bad bits then everything is perfect

I wonder what else were you lying to yourself about.

Bluebell0724 · 03/06/2020 16:41

@GilbertMarkham exactly he either sees women as defined by their sexuality or devoid of sexuality. I explained women are whole people and that are sexuality wasn’t dependant on objectification to men. He listened and looked like he was taking it in but it probably went in one ear and out the other

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MarronCat · 03/06/2020 16:41

OP, I hope you find your anger. He doesn't deserve any kindness of any sort. I think you will look back in a few weeks/months and be very irritated with yourself that your instinct was to help him. It's understandable but it's absolutely not the right thing to do. Let him hoodwink people at church, if they're daft enough to fall for it.